Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[Baseline81]

You have your right to be wrong. He's far superior to 9 out of 10 players you could get with a non lottery pick.

Take a look in the mirror. In a recently closed thread, you went after SO_MONEY for his choice of words.

Apparently, Krapinsky is also wrong as he agreed with my opinion...

[winforlose]

This is slightly off topic as it isn’t a trade idea, but it is relevant, if Kevin Love gets bought out, do we want him and does he come here? The downside for him would be that we might not be a contender this year and another team that is might want him. The upside is that he could get starter minutes (a chance to prove it for his next contract,) and with Ant, Dlo, MCD, and KAT beside him we might competitive enough. Of course this assumes a minimum deal or at most some of the MLE.

Zero chance that Kevin Love comes to Minnesota, he would choose a destination where winning a Championship was a serious possibility.

Kinda feels like with Love it might be. Even if he is a shadow of himself, you have a solid starting 5 as mentioned above. You have Beasley, Nowell, and Reid for bench scoring. You have tons of defensive players in Beverly, Okogie, Prince, Bolmaro, Vando, and that isn’t even mentioning the starters. Of course we need our stars to stay healthy, but who doesn’t? As for going to a contender, he is a bench player on any team you could mention. He is only 32, he still wants another big contract and would need to take a significant haircut to get out of Cleveland. Here he gets minutes and a chance to build something with his name being discussed. On the Nets for example he is a bench afterthought.

[Klomp]

Very disappointed we didn't get Nance.

Very happy the Wolves didn't get Nance. Giving up a first round pick, even protected, for him would have been frustrating.

This is an example of two different teams needing two very different things. While I understand people see PF as a need and say "oh Nance is a good one, so of course it fills a need", I don't think Nance is the correct type of PF for us as a team built around its C. Meanwhile Portland is built around its PG, so it's not as difficult a fit. I'm not sure what kind of system Billups is instituting in Portland though so we can't truly assess his fit there yet.

[KGdaBom]

You have your right to be wrong. He's far superior to 9 out of 10 players you could get with a non lottery pick.

Take a look in the mirror. In a recently closed thread, you went after SO_MONEY for his choice of words.

Apparently, Krapinsky is also wrong as he agreed with my opinion...

LMAO. Saying that is just simply saying I disagree with you. Did you notice the evil grin? Like you Krapinski also has his right to be wrong. However, if you think we are likely to get a better player than Nance with a non lottery pick more power to you. I don't want to talk about SM any more. You talk about him all you want.

[TaylorTag]

Very disappointed we didn't get Nance.

Very happy the Wolves didn't get Nance. Giving up a first round pick, even protected, for him would have been frustrating.

This is an example of two different teams needing two very different things. While I understand people see PF as a need and say "oh Nance is a good one, so of course it fills a need", I don't think Nance is the correct type of PF for us as a team built around its C. Meanwhile Portland is built around its PG, so it's not as difficult a fit. I'm not sure what kind of system Billups is instituting in Portland though so we can't truly assess his fit there yet.

Why isn't Nance a good fit? He provides spacing on the offensive end and he is a versatile defender. Who is your ideal big next to KAT?

[Klomp]

Guys, please stop.

[BlacJacMac]

Bringing back Love smells me like bringing back Rubio. No, thanks.

Shoot? Yes
Rebound? Yes
Pass? Yes
Defense? Average on a good day
Cost? Spendy

Definitely a strong role player on a playoff team

Or is he simply a guy who hasn't been healthy in years and looked totally washed with Team USA this summer?

[VeritasTri]

Why isn't Nance a good fit? He provides spacing on the offensive end and he is a versatile defender. Who is your ideal big next to KAT?

Ever? KG.

Vanderbilt is a better player than Nance overall and a far superior defender. You would have to pay me to take Nance and his 2 years 20+M back.

[TaylorTag]

Is Vanderbilt better at guarding bigs in the paint than Nance? Because that's what we need out of our PF, which i'm assuming you know already because you named KG as the ideal big next to KAT.

I love Vanderbilt and think he is a positive on the defensive end, but he doesn't play like KG. He's more of an athletic wing defender. Go watch his games when he had to protect the rim. He got destroyed. Nance has held his own under the rim -- though not sure how much wear and tear he has suffered

[Krapinsky]

You have your right to be wrong. He's far superior to 9 out of 10 players you could get with a non lottery pick.

Take a look in the mirror. In a recently closed thread, you went after SO_MONEY for his choice of words.

Apparently, Krapinsky is also wrong as he agreed with my opinion...

LMAO. Saying that is just simply saying I disagree with you. Did you notice the evil grin? Like you Krapinski also has his right to be wrong. However, if you think we are likely to get a better player than Nance with a non lottery pick more power to you. I don't want to talk about SM any more. You talk about him all you want.

Well I suppose you have your right to be right as you see it but shortsighted in your view.

I don't look at the trade as the player we will get with X pick for 4 four seasons and RFA control vs 2 seasons of Nance under his current deal. Though, even in this scenario I don't like the deal.

I think you have to put more stock in a pick than that, and most teams do. When you go big game hunting for the Hardens, Simmons, Beals, etc. of the world you need a stock pile of picks to offer, not 29 year old power forwards who are past their prime. Potentially being out bid for a more transformational player because you traded your pick next year for Larry Nance Jr. is a bad decision. We can find a better use for our picks than that and we should keep our draft capital for bigger fish or players with more upside than what the declining, often injured Nance might offer.

[KGdaBom]

Take a look in the mirror. In a recently closed thread, you went after SO_MONEY for his choice of words.

Apparently, Krapinsky is also wrong as he agreed with my opinion...

LMAO. Saying that is just simply saying I disagree with you. Did you notice the evil grin? Like you Krapinski also has his right to be wrong. However, if you think we are likely to get a better player than Nance with a non lottery pick more power to you. I don't want to talk about SM any more. You talk about him all you want.

Well I suppose you have your right to be right as you see it but shortsighted in your view.

I don't look at the trade as the player we will get with X pick for 4 four seasons and RFA control vs 2 seasons of Nance under his current deal. Though, even in this scenario I don't like the deal.

I think you have to put more stock in a pick than that, and most teams do. When you go big game hunting for the Hardens, Simmons, Beals, etc. of the world you need a stock pile of picks to offer, not 29 year old power forwards who are past their prime. Potentially being out bid for a more transformational player because you traded your pick next year for Larry Nance Jr. is a bad decision. We can find a better use for our picks than that and we should keep our draft capital for bigger fish or players with more upside than what the declining, often injured Nance might offer.

Draft picks outside the lottery are seldom any good. So I put very little stock in them. I guess people love their scratch games. Nance at $10M is a value to me. He does just about everything well. Maybe his game has fallen off a little bit. I didn't pay much attention to this sucky COVID season. I know he has been injured a lot. Is there reason to believe that will continue. If we don't get a PF of Nance's tier I can pretty much tell you we are looking at another losing season.

[Klomp]

Very happy the Wolves didn't get Nance. Giving up a first round pick, even protected, for him would have been frustrating.

This is an example of two different teams needing two very different things. While I understand people see PF as a need and say "oh Nance is a good one, so of course it fills a need", I don't think Nance is the correct type of PF for us as a team built around its C. Meanwhile Portland is built around its PG, so it's not as difficult a fit. I'm not sure what kind of system Billups is instituting in Portland though so we can't truly assess his fit there yet.

Why isn't Nance a good fit? He provides spacing on the offensive end and he is a versatile defender. Who is your ideal big next to KAT?

First of all, he's a little older. I'd ideally like starting lineup additions at this point to be a year or two younger.

He's capable at 3-pointers, but I wouldn't necessarily say he provides spacing. I want someone with a little more movement skills, even if I have to sacrifice some girth.

I love Nance, but at the end of the day, he's not much more than average. Average is what I trade Culver and Hernangomez for, not a future 1st.

[VeritasTri]

Is Vanderbilt better at guarding bigs in the paint than Nance? Because that's what we need out of our PF, which i'm assuming you know already because you named KG as the ideal big next to KAT.

I love Vanderbilt and think he is a positive on the defensive end, but he doesn't play like KG. He's more of an athletic wing defender. Go watch his games when he had to protect the rim. He got destroyed. Nance has held his own under the rim -- though not sure how much wear and tear he has suffered

The 6'9" vanderbilt averaged 0.7 blocks in only 17.8 MPG, or 1.5 per 36 (1.4 career). The 6'7" Nance 0.5 blocks in 31.2 MPG, 0.6 per 36 (0.8 career). Nance has averaged 1.9 steals per 36 for his career, EXTREMELY good for a PF. Vanderbilt has averaged 2.1. Nance has averaged 9.9 rebounds per 36 for his career with a total rebound % of 15.1. Vanderbilt has averaged 11.5 rebounds per 36 for his career with a total rebound % of 17.3.

Vanderbilt is bigger, a better rim protector, a better rebounder, and better at generating steals. Hes also 6 years younger and at worst will cost half as much.

The only place Nance has an edge over Vanderbilt IMO is 3 point shooting, but even that he is mediocre at best at with a career 3pt% of .333. When he was Vanderbilts age he wasnt even in the league yet, and he certainly wasnt considered somebody who could stretch the floor. He shot 10%, 27.8%, 16.7%, 25%, and 12.5% from 3 his first 5 years.

Vanderbilt has problems when you try to play him at the 5 and have him guard 250lb centers. So...dont do that. What 4's in the league can he not defend?

[KGdaBom]

Is Vanderbilt better at guarding bigs in the paint than Nance? Because that's what we need out of our PF, which i'm assuming you know already because you named KG as the ideal big next to KAT.

I love Vanderbilt and think he is a positive on the defensive end, but he doesn't play like KG. He's more of an athletic wing defender. Go watch his games when he had to protect the rim. He got destroyed. Nance has held his own under the rim -- though not sure how much wear and tear he has suffered

The 6'9" vanderbilt averaged 0.7 blocks in only 17.8 MPG, or 1.5 per 36 (1.4 career). The 6'7" Nance 0.5 blocks in 31.2 MPG, 0.6 per 36 (0.8 career). Nance has averaged 1.9 steals per 36 for his career, EXTREMELY good for a PF. Vanderbilt has averaged 2.1. Nance has averaged 9.9 rebounds per 36 for his career with a total rebound % of 15.1. Vanderbilt has averaged 11.5 rebounds per 36 for his career with a total rebound % of 17.3.

Vanderbilt is bigger, a better rim protector, a better rebounder, and better at generating steals. Hes also 6 years younger and at worst will cost half as much.

The only place Nance has an edge over Vanderbilt IMO is 3 point shooting, but even that he is mediocre at best at with a career 3pt% of .333. When he was Vanderbilts age he wasnt even in the league yet, and he certainly wasnt considered somebody who could stretch the floor. He shot 10%, 27.8%, 16.7%, 25%, and 12.5% from 3 his first 5 years.

Vanderbilt has problems when you try to play him at the 5 and have him guard 250lb centers. So...dont do that. What 4's in the league can he not defend?

Vanderbilt has no offensive skills whatsoever, Nance is a good ball handler/passer and solid shooter. If Vanderbilt develops those skills than compare him to Nance. Otherwise please don't.

[IceManBK1]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263954/Kevin-Love-Cavaliers-Making-Progress-On-Buyout

Kevin Love to the rescue? wouldn't mind giving him 5mil/yr deal..two or 3 yrs is ok. he's still only 32.

[Mattya]

Love will go to Brooklyn or LA

[IceManBK1]

if all hell breaks loose..we need to offer Milsap 1 yr or 2 yr 5mil/yr deal..give him PO for 2nd yr. then 2 mil/yr deal to Biyombo. I think Biyombo athletic and quick enough to guard 4s. No joking, we need to get more physical at the 4...Vanderbilt is not starter material. 2-3 mil/yr for him is ok. but not 5 mil.

[Krapinsky]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263954/Kevin-Love-Cavaliers-Making-Progress-On-Buyout

Kevin Love to the rescue? wouldn't mind giving him 5mil/yr deal..two or 3 yrs is ok. he's still only 32.

Can't see either party in favor of a reunion.

[Krapinsky]

Love will go to Brooklyn or LA

Hope not. Both teams have log jammed front courts. I feel like he wants some meaningful minutes to try and turn his career around, not just ride the pine for a ring at this point.

[IceManBK1]

Love will go to Brooklyn or LA

Hope not. Both teams have log jammed front courts. I feel like he wants some meaningful minutes to try and turn his career around, not just ride the pine for a ring at this point.

yea he would obviously start over here..25-30 mins guaranteed.