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Re: Okogie’s future on the Wolves 

Post#41 » by KGdaBom » Wed Oct 6, 2021 9:00 pm

moonpie wrote:That's a lot of money for Josh. Guess it'll depend on if he can show to be a consistent 3 point threat this year. 3 years/$18M for me

I'd say 4 years 16 million team option on 4th year.
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Post#42 » by Note30 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 9:52 pm

Is this his RFA coming up?
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Post#43 » by Note30 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 9:53 pm

Yes it is. I'd say match whatever he gets an if he gets zero offers do 4 years 24ish million front loaded. With a team option.
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Post#44 » by Krapinsky » Thu Oct 7, 2021 12:29 am

I think Okogie will shine on a better team with better players around so he isn’t asked to do too much. Hoping this Wolves unit fits the bill.
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Post#45 » by Calinks » Thu Oct 7, 2021 3:11 am

Krapinsky wrote:I think Okogie will shine on a better team with better players around so he isn’t asked to do too much. Hoping this Wolves unit fits the bill.

I think him having other competent defenders will make him look even better.
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Post#46 » by shangrila » Thu Oct 7, 2021 3:34 am

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Krapinsky wrote:I think Okogie will shine on a better team with better players around so he isn’t asked to do too much. Hoping this Wolves unit fits the bill.

I think him having other competent defenders will make him look even better.

I disagree.

Defence isn't the issue, it's bricking open 3s. If he were even just a 34% 3pt shooter he'd probably already have a 3 or 4 year extension signed.
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Post#47 » by Neeva » Thu Oct 7, 2021 4:26 am

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Calinks wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:I think Okogie will shine on a better team with better players around so he isn’t asked to do too much. Hoping this Wolves unit fits the bill.

I think him having other competent defenders will make him look even better.

I disagree.

Defence isn't the issue, it's bricking open 3s. If he were even just a 34% 3pt shooter he'd probably already have a 3 or 4 year extension signed.

Agreed he also needs to go back to dunking the ball more offen. His rookie year he had some monster dunks and since then he does not dunk as much :nonono: .
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Post#48 » by Nick K » Thu Oct 7, 2021 2:47 pm

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Krapinsky wrote:I think Okogie will shine on a better team with better players around so he isn’t asked to do too much. Hoping this Wolves unit fits the bill.

I think him having other competent defenders will make him look even better.


How about we trade Okogie for a ham sandwich and play Nowell instead? I don't get the Okogie love who has made a career off of 1 James Harden block. I get that he tries hard.

He could be valuable at the trade deadline as an expiring contract along with Layman in a search for a PF.

I was all for drafting Josh but he's been disappointing since.
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Post#49 » by BlacJacMac » Thu Oct 7, 2021 3:43 pm

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Krapinsky wrote:I think Okogie will shine on a better team with better players around so he isn’t asked to do too much. Hoping this Wolves unit fits the bill.

I think him having other competent defenders will make him look even better.


How about we trade Okogie for a ham sandwich and play Nowell instead? I don't get the Okogie love who has made a career off of 1 James Harden block. I get that he tries hard.

He could be valuable at the trade deadline as an expiring contract along with Layman in a search for a PF.

I was all for drafting Josh but he's been disappointing since.


I would say the same for Nowell, who has made his "career" off of his GLeague play.
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Post#50 » by jpatrick » Thu Oct 7, 2021 3:45 pm

shangrila wrote:
Calinks wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:I think Okogie will shine on a better team with better players around so he isn’t asked to do too much. Hoping this Wolves unit fits the bill.

I think him having other competent defenders will make him look even better.

I disagree.

Defence isn't the issue, it's bricking open 3s. If he were even just a 34% 3pt shooter he'd probably already have a 3 or 4 year extension signed.


This. In todays NBA, cannot have perimeter players with zero offensive skill. If he could just hit threes at an NBA average rate, he’d be valuable and get paid.
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Re: Okogie’s future on the Wolves 

Post#51 » by Krapinsky » Thu Oct 7, 2021 6:30 pm

shangrila wrote:
Calinks wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:I think Okogie will shine on a better team with better players around so he isn’t asked to do too much. Hoping this Wolves unit fits the bill.

I think him having other competent defenders will make him look even better.

I disagree.

Defence isn't the issue, it's bricking open 3s. If he were even just a 34% 3pt shooter he'd probably already have a 3 or 4 year extension signed.


This is in line with what I was saying. I think he'll become a more efficient player on a better team where he isn't asked to do too much. Zero ball handling. Zero playmaking. Just ask him to guard his man, play transition, spot up and cut.
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Post#52 » by Muskies97 » Thu Oct 7, 2021 8:19 pm

Calinks wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:I think Okogie will shine on a better team with better players around so he isn’t asked to do too much. Hoping this Wolves unit fits the bill.

I think him having other competent defenders will make him look even better.

Yeah I think Okogie continues to be underrated on here. To me he's the perfect guy that doesn't look great on paper but makes all the winning plays. Even just watching back our last preseason game there were multiple instances of him boxing out the Pels bigs, flying around on defense on/off ball, setting screens and getting out in transition, and generally just setting the tone of intensity that the team wants to play with. I don't see how someone like Bruce Brown JR or Torrey Craig can be so important for contending teams like the Nets/Suns WITHOUT a consistent jumpshot, but we can't find room for Josh Okogie.
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Re: Okogie’s future on the Wolves 

Post#53 » by fattymcgee » Thu Oct 7, 2021 8:51 pm

Muskies97 wrote:
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Krapinsky wrote:I think Okogie will shine on a better team with better players around so he isn’t asked to do too much. Hoping this Wolves unit fits the bill.

I think him having other competent defenders will make him look even better.

Yeah I think Okogie continues to be underrated on here. To me he's the perfect guy that doesn't look great on paper but makes all the winning plays. Even just watching back our last preseason game there were multiple instances of him boxing out the Pels bigs, flying around on defense on/off ball, setting screens and getting out in transition, and generally just setting the tone of intensity that the team wants to play with. I don't see how someone like Bruce Brown JR or Torrey Craig can be so important for contending teams like the Nets/Suns WITHOUT a consistent jumpshot, but we can't find room for Josh Okogie.


It's because everyone here thinks every player on the Twolves has to be flawless so they find every flaw with each player (even if it's only 1 flaw) and bitch and whine about it repeatedly.

Most teams don't have 5 good shooters on the floor, yet people here make a big deal about it if we have a non-shooter in the lineup as if it destroys our offense.
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Post#54 » by FinnTheHuman » Thu Oct 7, 2021 9:14 pm

Muskies97 wrote:
Calinks wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:I think Okogie will shine on a better team with better players around so he isn’t asked to do too much. Hoping this Wolves unit fits the bill.

I think him having other competent defenders will make him look even better.

Yeah I think Okogie continues to be underrated on here. To me he's the perfect guy that doesn't look great on paper but makes all the winning plays. Even just watching back our last preseason game there were multiple instances of him boxing out the Pels bigs, flying around on defense on/off ball, setting screens and getting out in transition, and generally just setting the tone of intensity that the team wants to play with. I don't see how someone like Bruce Brown JR or Torrey Craig can be so important for contending teams like the Nets/Suns WITHOUT a consistent jumpshot, but we can't find room for Josh Okogie.


Bruce Brown is great inside the arc, and Torrey Craig actually has a solid 3pt shot. Okogie shot like 40.2 FG% last season, he's literally been incapable of doing anything offensively. Do you realize that that would be tied for 3rd worst FG% in the league out of all players, if he qualified on the ESPN list? There's too many talented players out there who can do more than Okogie on a veteran minimum, I'm sorry. If he doesn't dramatically improve offensively, he shouldn't have a spot on this roster.
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Post#55 » by FinnTheHuman » Thu Oct 7, 2021 9:28 pm

fattymcgee wrote:
Muskies97 wrote:
Calinks wrote:I think him having other competent defenders will make him look even better.

Yeah I think Okogie continues to be underrated on here. To me he's the perfect guy that doesn't look great on paper but makes all the winning plays. Even just watching back our last preseason game there were multiple instances of him boxing out the Pels bigs, flying around on defense on/off ball, setting screens and getting out in transition, and generally just setting the tone of intensity that the team wants to play with. I don't see how someone like Bruce Brown JR or Torrey Craig can be so important for contending teams like the Nets/Suns WITHOUT a consistent jumpshot, but we can't find room for Josh Okogie.


It's because everyone here thinks every player on the Twolves has to be flawless so they find every flaw with each player (even if it's only 1 flaw) and bitch and whine about it repeatedly.

Most teams don't have 5 good shooters on the floor, yet people here make a big deal about it if we have a non-shooter in the lineup as if it destroys our offense.


Yeah, I'm bitching and whining about one flaw repeatedly. It's only 1 flaw if you call zero offensive capabilities 1 flaw. That's half a basketball game, but yea, I guess you could call it one flaw. I guess sucking at basketball could be called one flaw too? "Hey, that guy should play for us, he's got only 1 flaw, he only sucks at basketball, the rest is perfect." How about you post your take (no matter how awful it is) without saying that people are 'bitching' and 'whining'?
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Re: Okogie’s future on the Wolves 

Post#56 » by Muskies97 » Thu Oct 7, 2021 10:43 pm

FinnTheHuman wrote:
Muskies97 wrote:
Calinks wrote:I think him having other competent defenders will make him look even better.

Yeah I think Okogie continues to be underrated on here. To me he's the perfect guy that doesn't look great on paper but makes all the winning plays. Even just watching back our last preseason game there were multiple instances of him boxing out the Pels bigs, flying around on defense on/off ball, setting screens and getting out in transition, and generally just setting the tone of intensity that the team wants to play with. I don't see how someone like Bruce Brown JR or Torrey Craig can be so important for contending teams like the Nets/Suns WITHOUT a consistent jumpshot, but we can't find room for Josh Okogie.


Bruce Brown is great inside the arc, and Torrey Craig actually has a solid 3pt shot. Okogie shot like 40.2 FG% last season, he's literally been incapable of doing anything offensively. Do you realize that that would be tied for 3rd worst FG% in the league out of all players, if he qualified on the ESPN list? There's too many talented players out there who can do more than Okogie on a veteran minimum, I'm sorry. If he doesn't dramatically improve offensively, he shouldn't have a spot on this roster.

I think part of what made Bruce Brown shine is that he was put in a role playing off of much better players where he can be the 5th guy and be himself. If you look at his rookie stats in Detroit where he was primarily a perimeter guy, it's not much different than Okogie's stats now. With that being said you could infer that Okogie is probably gonna get cleaner looks at the rim, and a higher free throw rate playing off of better guys, which would influence his efficiency. I still think it's important for him to be able to make open threes, but at the end of the day all it takes is for him to be an OK 5th guy on offense to be a massively positive player for this team.
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Post#57 » by Nick K » Thu Oct 7, 2021 11:41 pm

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Calinks wrote:I think him having other competent defenders will make him look even better.


How about we trade Okogie for a ham sandwich and play Nowell instead? I don't get the Okogie love who has made a career off of 1 James Harden block. I get that he tries hard.

He could be valuable at the trade deadline as an expiring contract along with Layman in a search for a PF.

I was all for drafting Josh but he's been disappointing since.


I would say the same for Nowell, who has made his "career" off of his GLeague play.


Nowell as played very few minutes by comparison and very few with starters. Nowell is the far better overall player. He needs a chance and minutes to shine.
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Re: Okogie’s future on the Wolves 

Post#58 » by BlacJacMac » Fri Oct 8, 2021 12:33 am

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How about we trade Okogie for a ham sandwich and play Nowell instead? I don't get the Okogie love who has made a career off of 1 James Harden block. I get that he tries hard.

He could be valuable at the trade deadline as an expiring contract along with Layman in a search for a PF.

I was all for drafting Josh but he's been disappointing since.


I would say the same for Nowell, who has made his "career" off of his GLeague play.


Nowell as played very few minutes by comparison and very few with starters. Nowell is the far better overall player. He needs a chance and minutes to shine.


Or he's like most mid 2nd round picks - not an NBA player.
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Post#59 » by Neeva » Fri Oct 8, 2021 12:54 am

Meh Nowell is a streaky shooter but at least he can shoot, and if hes cheap that is not a bad thing to have on the bench.
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Re: Okogie’s future on the Wolves 

Post#60 » by BlacJacMac » Fri Oct 8, 2021 1:27 am

33% from 3 last year. 30% for his career.

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