The Terrence (TJ) Shannon Thread

[KGdaBom]

The more I think about Shannon the more I like him. 3rd in the nation in scoring while playing in the big 10 ain't no joke. Off the charts athlete also. What is there possibly not to like? A little older than we might want I guess, but I think he comes in ready to contribute year one.

[Neeva]

I think TSJ is one of the guys that scouts were actively looking for things they can pick apart at, like his age and that he played FIVE years of ncaa, the “allegations”, and that he absolutely layed an egg his final college game etc. Instead of just seeing what’s there in front of them, an insanely athletic bucket getter that also has decent defensive skills and can hit his free throws (but has weakness in passing). I think he will surprise. He’s my pick for ROY

[winforlose]

I think TSJ is one of the guys that scouts were actively looking for things they can pick apart at, like his age and that he played FIVE years of ncaa, the “allegations”, and that he absolutely layed an egg his final college game etc. Instead of just seeing what’s there in front of them, an insanely athletic bucket getter that also has decent defensive skills and can hit his free throws (but has weakness in passing). I think he will surprise. He’s my pick for ROY

I am not saying this will happen, this is purely a hypothetical fantasy that would be sweet on many levels. But can you imagine if TSJ and RD were both in the final 3 for rookie of the year and came in 1st/2nd in voting. That would be next level for an organization with a draft history like ours. Even our good GMs have absolutely **** the bed with picks like Culver and Moore in recent years.

[KGdaBom]

I think TSJ is one of the guys that scouts were actively looking for things they can pick apart at, like his age and that he played FIVE years of ncaa, the “allegations”, and that he absolutely layed an egg his final college game etc. Instead of just seeing what’s there in front of them, an insanely athletic bucket getter that also has decent defensive skills and can hit his free throws (but has weakness in passing). I think he will surprise. He’s my pick for ROY

He has a higher floor than Dillingham IMO. The 7 games prior to his final game were Big 10 tourney and NCAA tourney if I understand correctly and he averaged 30PPG in those.

[minimus]

Guys, similar questions about Shannon:

1) he had two suspensions 3 games in 2020-21, 6 games in 2023-24. Did it affect his games? Did he have stretches good/bad games before/after? How much he lost between suspension, transfer etc? I mean basketball season is 82 games plus playoffs. So 3 and 6 are nothing, however it might be different for students. He played 5 years in students, but how much time he actually played?

2) Is Texas much worse than Illinois? Why he transferred?

3) I have checked his NBA draft combine measurements in 2023. He is 3rd best in Lane agility in 1st in Three quarter sprint. Why he skipped a few NBA draft combine measurements in 2024?

4) Why did not enter 2023 draft after draft combine?

[minimus]

Another interesting thought:

Against DAL we lacked one physical, active defender who could check Doncic: NAW is too small, McDaniels is too light. Adding Shannon might give Finch even more options in defense.

[Neeva]

Yep I think TSJ could be that defender or possibly Jaylen Clark? If not maybe Connelly needs to try to get Dort, Suggs or Dillon Brooks.. yuck? We were built to beat denver we gotta now pivot to get revenge on dallas also.

[shangrila]

Yep I think TSJ could be that defender or possibly Jaylen Clark? If not maybe Connelly needs to try to get Dort, Suggs or Dillon Brooks.. yuck? We were built to beat denver we gotta now pivot to get revenge on dallas also.

I don't think we were that far off Dallas. Obviously the last game was horrendous but overall neither Ant nor KAT showed up for most of the series and a lot of those games were close enough where if either (or both) did we would have been in a good position to win.

And we did have that defender in Anderson. The issue is with his shot completely gone he was too much of a liability on offence to rely on heavily.

[shangrila]

Guys, similar questions about Shannon:

1) he had two suspensions 3 games in 2020-21, 6 games in 2023-24. Did it affect his games? Did he have stretches good/bad games before/after? How much he lost between suspension, transfer etc? I mean basketball season is 82 games plus playoffs. So 3 and 6 are nothing, however it might be different for students. He played 5 years in students, but how much time he actually played?

2) Is Texas much worse than Illinois? Why he transferred?

3) I have checked his NBA draft combine measurements in 2023. He is 3rd best in Lane agility in 1st in Three quarter sprint. Why he skipped a few NBA draft combine measurements in 2024?

4) Why did not enter 2023 draft after draft combine?

Consistency was always an issue for him, particularly in regards to shooting, so small sample sizes like you're talking about aren't worth looking too deep into. You should be able to find the box scores on BBall Reference if you want to investigate further yourself though.

From memory he transferred to get a larger offensive role. He went from a defensive role player at Texas Tech to #1 option at Illinois. I have no issue with that line of thinking and it clearly paid dividends for him.

Not sure about the combine. Again, Google is your friend here.

Didn't like what he heard about his stock. From memory I think some people have him as a fringe first but I don't recall that being backed by any sources, so I'd assume he got worse feedback from actual NBA teams and decided to go back.

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[KATKlownFeet]

My comps have been wild this class.

Lefty, downhill scorer.....Shabazz?!

I hope he is Shabazz without tunnel vision.

I hope he's nothing like Bazz. Bazz was a bad player, mainly due to terrible defense and selfish offense.

[KATKlownFeet]

We might have gotten a major steal here. TSJ's stock plummeted due to false allegations, most analysts didn't even really wanna cover him as a prospect and only did so because of his obvious talent. Then dude takes the stand (which is a boss move btw) and shuts the nonsense down just days before the draft. By that time everyone had their slot and his name was suitably dragged through the mud.

There's no telling where he would have gone had the case not interrupted everything but my guess is he would have been an easy lottery pick. Especially in a draft like this one.

Dude needs to work on his playmaking a bit, get better with his right hand and his outside shot, but other than this is a well developed prospect with NBA talent, athleticism, and skill who can play both sides of the floor with gravity.

Hell of a pickup by TC.

How do you know the allegations are false? I am just curious as I haven't followed this case closely and don't really know if the allegations were false. An acquittal means that allegations weren't proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

[KGdaBom]

We might have gotten a major steal here. TSJ's stock plummeted due to false allegations, most analysts didn't even really wanna cover him as a prospect and only did so because of his obvious talent. Then dude takes the stand (which is a boss move btw) and shuts the nonsense down just days before the draft. By that time everyone had their slot and his name was suitably dragged through the mud.

There's no telling where he would have gone had the case not interrupted everything but my guess is he would have been an easy lottery pick. Especially in a draft like this one.

Dude needs to work on his playmaking a bit, get better with his right hand and his outside shot, but other than this is a well developed prospect with NBA talent, athleticism, and skill who can play both sides of the floor with gravity.

Hell of a pickup by TC.

How do you know the allegations are false? I don't really know if the allegations were false. We do know that they weren't proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Every report has him being proven INNOCENT without any doubt whatsoever. His case went much further than the allegations not being proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I've read that he wasn't even there. I haven't dove super deep into this because I don't get my jollies that way. The Jury deliberated for about 1 second before coming back with the verdict because he was so obviously INNOCENT. He was as innocent as Bill Gambini.

[KATKlownFeet]

We might have gotten a major steal here. TSJ's stock plummeted due to false allegations, most analysts didn't even really wanna cover him as a prospect and only did so because of his obvious talent. Then dude takes the stand (which is a boss move btw) and shuts the nonsense down just days before the draft. By that time everyone had their slot and his name was suitably dragged through the mud.

There's no telling where he would have gone had the case not interrupted everything but my guess is he would have been an easy lottery pick. Especially in a draft like this one.

Dude needs to work on his playmaking a bit, get better with his right hand and his outside shot, but other than this is a well developed prospect with NBA talent, athleticism, and skill who can play both sides of the floor with gravity.

Hell of a pickup by TC.

How do you know the allegations are false? I don't really know if the allegations were false. We do know that they weren't proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Every report has him being proven INNOCENT without any doubt whatsoever. His case went much further than the allegations not being proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I've read that he wasn't even there. I haven't dove super deep into this because I don't get my jollies that way. The Jury deliberated for about 1 second before coming back with the verdict because he was so obviously INNOCENT. He was as innocent as Bill Gambini.

I read that it took about two hours to deliberate, so I don't know why you say it took like one second. I also read that Shannon was at the bar (The Hawk) on the night of question, so I don't know why you say he wasn't even there. Source: https://lawrencekstimes.com/2024/06/13/shannon-trial-verdict/#:~:text=Sometime%20before%2011%20p.m.%2C%20Shannon,the%20bar%27s%20basement%20Martini%20Room.

While I see nothing that proves the allegations are true or false, and don't think I will ever know as I wasn't there and haven't seen any indication that Shannon is suing the accuser or the prosecutor's office for bringing a false case against him, I do see that like Shannon got a lot of public support even a shout out from LeBron.

[KGdaBom]

How do you know the allegations are false? I don't really know if the allegations were false. We do know that they weren't proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Every report has him being proven INNOCENT without any doubt whatsoever. His case went much further than the allegations not being proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I've read that he wasn't even there. I haven't dove super deep into this because I don't get my jollies that way. The Jury deliberated for about 1 second before coming back with the verdict because he was so obviously INNOCENT. He was as innocent as Bill Gambini.

I read that it took about two hours to deliberate, so I don't know why you say it took like one second. I also read that Shannon was at the bar (The Hawk) on the night of question, so I don't know why you say he wasn't even there. Source: https://lawrencekstimes.com/2024/06/13/shannon-trial-verdict/#:~:text=Sometime%20before%2011%20p.m.%2C%20Shannon,the%20bar%27s%20basement%20Martini%20Room.

What are the most credible reports that you've read that prove him innocent. Do you have a link or two?

2 Hours is about a second. That's probably 90% going through the procedures they have to go through. Obviously a second wasn't meant to be taken literally.
I didn't say he wasn't there. The not even there is just something I read. I didn't know if it was true. As stated I didn't take a deep dive into it, but I've heard on YouTube by people who did dive into it, over and over again, that there was zero question about his innocence. I'm not the source to prove his innocence. I've just heard it so often that I believe it. You should take a deep dive into it to find out.

[minimus]

I have just realized that TSJ is very similar to TBJ: similar age, body and playing style.

[Slim Tubby]

TSJ is much more fluid and natural as an athlete and hoops player IMO. He also has a much more aggressive demeanor to his approach on both sides of the ball. When TSJ wants to get the rim, he usually succeeds with dunks or free throws as a result.

I would've been 100% satisfied with us just getting TSJ in the draft. The fact that we also got Dillingham still blows my mind.

Great job, Mr. Connelly...great job.

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[Dewey]

No dots were connected. Appears he was a leverage-able commodity. Outside of the prosecutions overreach and simply a lack of a case, there has not been a single person to hesitate speaking highly of Terrence … so yeah, I can see the deliberations being very quick

[jpatrick]

His game has some holes, inconsistent jumper. Tends to score by bowling into guys, which he won’t be able to do in the NBA. But he dropped for one reason, age. The track record of guys that need 5 years of college before being draftable is terrible. There may be an exception or two, but they generally completely wash out. Same reason Knecht, SEC player of the year, elite shooter, and good athlete (39 in vert), dropped to 17. Wolves have drafted two four-year college stars in the lottery off the top of my head over younger players in the recent past with not so great results: Kris Dunn and Wes Johnson.

I guess I would have preferred a more pure shooter like Scheierman if they went older player route or a young shooter that has development left like Furphy but I get why they went Shannon. He’s a power athlete. That probably has upside as a defender of 3-4 spots and can score. That’s a guy we can use right now and can be hard to find in free agency.

[winforlose]

How do you know the allegations are false? I don't really know if the allegations were false. We do know that they weren't proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Every report has him being proven INNOCENT without any doubt whatsoever. His case went much further than the allegations not being proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I've read that he wasn't even there. I haven't dove super deep into this because I don't get my jollies that way. The Jury deliberated for about 1 second before coming back with the verdict because he was so obviously INNOCENT. He was as innocent as Bill Gambini.

I read that it took about two hours to deliberate, so I don't know why you say it took like one second. I also read that Shannon was at the bar (The Hawk) on the night of question, so I don't know why you say he wasn't even there. Source: https://lawrencekstimes.com/2024/06/13/shannon-trial-verdict/#:~:text=Sometime%20before%2011%20p.m.%2C%20Shannon,the%20bar%27s%20basement%20Martini%20Room.

While I see nothing that proves the allegations are true or false, and don't think I will ever know as I wasn't there and haven't seen any indication that Shannon is suing the accuser or the prosecutor's office for bringing a false case against him, I do see that like Shannon got a lot of public support even a shout out from LeBron.

I read some of the details of the case and was beyond shocked that the prosecutor would bring the case. It was terrible judgment on his part and was simply an unwinnable case. I will discuss below. But, suing the accuser who is 18 and likely has no money is a bad look for someone trying to make millions in the draft. It is also hard to sue for malicious prosecution when there is an accuser who is adamant, even if unreliable and frankly not credible.

Why an acquittal was the only possibility.

1. The accusers story kept changing. At one point she claimed she was not grabbed, then she claimed she was. At one point she said there was genital groping, then she said there was not. While trauma can obscure memory of events, inconsistencies in details is a red flag in situations like this.

2. There had been an another male who was recently accused but not arrested in that same bar in that same part of the bar for genital groping over the clothes. The police were aware of this man’s recent allegation for such an action, aware the man was present at the time of the 18 year old’s alleged assault, and decided interviewing him was not necessary. It is also worth noting that sexual predators tend to escalate. So an outside the clothes attack leading to an inside the clothes attack is not a huge stretch.

3. The police didn’t wait for the DNA evidence to corroborate the allegations before deciding to arrest.

4. The accuser in her own testimony claims she voluntarily approached her alleged attacker from elsewhere in the bar because she was “waived over.” By her own testimony she never asked the alleged attacker to stop, never made any effort to stop the touching (which she claimed lasted 10 seconds plus the time it took to move her underwear to the side and begin the assault,) and was aware that he was an athlete (athletes can make NIL money which means potential deep pockets.)

There were no corroborating witnesses, an improper investigation which lead to the investigation officer getting shredded on the stand. The victim claims she made no effort to resist or even make the alleged perp aware she did not consent. The police ignored the fact that the there was another alleged abuser in direct proximity to the alleged victim who follows the same MO as the alleged assault, and TSJ has no history of legal problems or misconduct. The very existence of a credible 3rd party who could have committed the offense and the refusal to investigate the possibility guaranteed reasonable doubt.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/i-was-terrified-accuser-testifies-in-rape-trial-of-illinois-basketball-star-terrence-shannon-jr/ar-BB1o2NlP