Shams: MIN trades Moore and #37 for #53

[moss_is_1]

So this is wrong?

By replacing Wendell Moore Jr.'s $2.537M contract with a veteran minimum contract ($2.1M), the Wolves will save about $450k in salary -- which will also save them a couple million in luxury tax payments dependent on how far above the tax they finish the season out at.

But if they replace him with the No. 53 pick and sign that rookie to a rookie league minimum ($1.1M) they will save millions more.

This is a cost-cutting move.

Conley - Ant - Jaden - Kat - Rudy
Dillingham - NAW - Naz - Leonard Miller - Minott

These are the 10 guys we currently have on contracts(Obviously Dillingham hasn't signed, but as a 1st rounder he holds a caphold). 10 guys, roughly 4 spots. Then we have Clark who was on a 2 way - believe he can be on that rookie minimum. Tsj, could be a minimum "hinkie special" or could be a 2 way guy.

These shows to me that we either think Clark or Tsj make Moore expendable to put them on a rookie minimum to save a little money. OR, they are confident they can bring back Monte and/or Slomo for the minimum and Moore would just be taking up space.

[winforlose]

So this is wrong?

By replacing Wendell Moore Jr.'s $2.537M contract with a veteran minimum contract ($2.1M), the Wolves will save about $450k in salary -- which will also save them a couple million in luxury tax payments dependent on how far above the tax they finish the season out at.

But if they replace him with the No. 53 pick and sign that rookie to a rookie league minimum ($1.1M) they will save millions more.

This is a cost-cutting move.

Conley - Ant - Jaden - Kat - Rudy
Dillingham - NAW - Naz - Leonard Miller - Minott

These are the 10 guys we currently have on contracts(Obviously Dillingham hasn't signed, but as a 1st rounder he holds a caphold). 10 guys, roughly 4 spots. Then we have Clark who was on a 2 way - believe he can be on that rookie minimum. Tsj, could be a minimum "hinkie special" or could be a 2 way guy.

These shows to me that we either think Clark or Tsj make Moore expendable to put them on a rookie minimum to save a little money. OR, they are confident they can bring back Monte and/or Slomo for the minimum and Moore would just be taking up space.

You forgot Shannon or as we should now refer to him TSJ. It is also more than a cost cutting move. If you assume that the FO and coaches consider two classes of player, you have rotation/semi rotation players, and development players. Miller, Minott, and Moore took 3 roster spots last year. Garza was a toss in at 15 for injury depth, but in reality we were a 14 roster spot team. Warren became a waste of a spot. That left 10 guys total to contribute and 3 guys to develop. Now RD and TSJ are onboard and presumably maybe the 2nd round pick (who we can sign cheaper than any minimum, thus a cap move.) If the new rookies plus the old development guys are not ready, then you must realize that 5 roster spots out of 14 were designated for development guys, and that is too much. This move is made assuming a vet minimum contributes substantially more than Moore. It also suggests an appealing vet is interested in joining us on a minimum to chase a ring. Time will tell if I am right, but my gut says this is where things are headed.

[shrink]

According to Dane we save significant money.

Only if we don’t use the roster spot.

We had open roster spots already. If we wanted to carry 14, we could have done that and kept WMJ as one of those 14 players.

I like Dane, and I appreciate that he has learned a lot about the CBA, but this is the second time in two weeks that he’s given a pretty unsophisticated CBA take.

So this is wrong?

By replacing Wendell Moore Jr.'s $2.537M contract with a veteran minimum contract ($2.1M), the Wolves will save about $450k in salary -- which will also save them a couple million in luxury tax payments dependent on how far above the tax they finish the season out at.

But if they replace him with the No. 53 pick and sign that rookie to a rookie league minimum ($1.1M) they will save millions more.

This is a cost-cutting move.

Nope that’s right and so is younggunsmn (who I and+1’d).

I’ve always looked at the two stories as basically the same, but the $450k difference can likely mean a couple million dollars. I’ve always looked at a $0.45 mil difference as basically the same as the vet min, but if that’s going to include x4 lux penalty, it’ll save $2 mil. Personally, I think we are at a win-now spot so the likelihood is that the created roster spot a vet min deal, and the real value is having the talent boost and not the $2 mil in savings. I don’t think the spot will be left empty for real cost cutting of about $13-14 mil.

[BlacJacMac]

Only if we don’t use the roster spot.

We had open roster spots already. If we wanted to carry 14, we could have done that and kept WMJ as one of those 14 players.

I like Dane, and I appreciate that he has learned a lot about the CBA, but this is the second time in two weeks that he’s given a pretty unsophisticated CBA take.

So this is wrong?

By replacing Wendell Moore Jr.'s $2.537M contract with a veteran minimum contract ($2.1M), the Wolves will save about $450k in salary -- which will also save them a couple million in luxury tax payments dependent on how far above the tax they finish the season out at.

But if they replace him with the No. 53 pick and sign that rookie to a rookie league minimum ($1.1M) they will save millions more.

This is a cost-cutting move.

Nope that’s right and so is younggunsmn (who I and+1’d).

I’ve always looked at the two stories as basically the same, but the $450k difference can likely mean a couple million dollars. I’ve always looked at a $0.45 mil difference as basically the same as the vet min, but if that’s going to include x4 lux penalty, it’ll save $2 mil. Personally, I think we are at a win-now spot so the likelihood is that the created roster spot a vet min deal, and the real value is having the talent boost and not the $2 mil in savings. I don’t think the spot will be left empty for real cost cutting of about $13-14 mil.

And if we use our draft pick, isn't the savings closer to 10M?

Just the ability to take a flyer on someone that isn't WMJ has to be worth 10M...

[shrink]

And if we use our draft pick, isn't the savings closer to 10M?

Just the ability to take a flyer on someone that isn't WMJ has to be worth 10M...

If (still an if) we draft at 53, I think there is a good chance we try to put him on a two-way, or stash if he’s a euro. We’ll see.

[shrink]

The Pistons are the sixth owner of the #37 pick. (Grizzlies, Lakers, Wizards, Thunder, Wolves)

This is just how the NBA treats second round picks these days. Trade fodder.

[KGdaBom]

So this is wrong?

Conley - Ant - Jaden - Kat - Rudy
Dillingham - NAW - Naz - Leonard Miller - Minott

These are the 10 guys we currently have on contracts(Obviously Dillingham hasn't signed, but as a 1st rounder he holds a caphold). 10 guys, roughly 4 spots. Then we have Clark who was on a 2 way - believe he can be on that rookie minimum. Tsj, could be a minimum "hinkie special" or could be a 2 way guy.

These shows to me that we either think Clark or Tsj make Moore expendable to put them on a rookie minimum to save a little money. OR, they are confident they can bring back Monte and/or Slomo for the minimum and Moore would just be taking up space.

You forgot Shannon or as we should now refer to him TSJ. It is also more than a cost cutting move. If you assume that the FO and coaches consider two classes of player, you have rotation/semi rotation players, and development players. Miller, Minott, and Moore took 3 roster spots last year. Garza was a toss in at 15 for injury depth, but in reality we were a 14 roster spot team. Warren became a waste of a spot. That left 10 guys total to contribute and 3 guys to develop. Now RD and TSJ are onboard and presumably maybe the 2nd round pick (who we can sign cheaper than any minimum, thus a cap move.) If the new rookies plus the old development guys are not ready, then you must realize that 5 roster spots out of 14 were designated for development guys, and that is too much. This move is made assuming a vet minimum contributes substantially more than Moore. It also suggests an appealing vet is interested in joining us on a minimum to chase a ring. Time will tell if I am right, but my gut says this is where things are headed.

If we get a vet ring chaser he will be our first right.

[andyhop]

The Pistons are the sixth owner of the #37 pick. (Grizzlies, Lakers, Wizards, Thunder, Wolves)

This is just how the NBA treats second round picks these days. Trade fodder.

Every single second round pick this year was traded at least once which is pretty amazing

[KGdaBom]

If Wendell Moore lands us Bronny....

We could have had him, but Rich Paul told us not to draft him.

[Klomp]

The Pistons are the sixth owner of the #37 pick. (Grizzlies, Lakers, Wizards, Thunder, Wolves)

This is just how the NBA treats second round picks these days. Trade fodder.

Every single second round pick this year was traded at least once which is pretty amazing

Probably a byproduct of...

a) poor draft
b) second apron-related stuff
c) extra three minutes per pick
d) teams had 18 hours between first and second round to think of trades

[Klomp]

Finally, the Wolves made a small move to get off of Wendell Moore’s contract to save what will likely be about $450,000 in salary off of their books once accounting for a corresponding minimum deal and potentially millions more in luxury tax payments. Eventually the Wolves decided not to use the later draft pick they had received in return from Detroit.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5596270/2024/06/28/nba-draft-grades-every-team-2024/