Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[TheZachAttack]

So, I posted a trade value thread for Rudy Gobert and it sounds like at least from other fans perspectives (which I think usually translates to real life) the perception of Rudy is that he is pretty valuable.

I think there's a really interesting option that involves trading Rudy for positives assets (one offer was RIsascher, Okongwu, and Niang) and positioning ourselves to create a max slot once Randle leaves either next year or the year after.

This is a very intriguing path for me and would 1000% validate the KAT trade if this happened.

I am much more sceptical about Gobert value in the league. I doubt TC can flip Gobert for a backup bigman (such as Okongwu) and former 1st pick (such as Risascher), but if so it might open a lot ways to improve for MIN.

I agree. I think it's interesting that fan perception is that high of Gobert (and there were other offers such as Lakers fans offering Hayes/Reaves). I would generally think that fan perception about Gobert is lower than front office perception because of all of the lol-Gobert stuff that goes around in social media.

[cmoss84]

1. Get under the 2nd apron with Randle sign and trade. I.e. BRK for Jalen Wilson, future picks.
2. Gobert to NOP for Jones, Alvarado, and Missi
3. New contracts for Naz, NAW, and Clark

PG: Alvarado - RD - Mike
SG: Ant - DD - NAW - Clark
SF: Jaden - Jones
PF: Naz
C: Missi

Tons of roster flexibility. Tons of depth. Tons of shooting. Tons of defense.

[younggunsmn]

I think that you and I agree on this - The Timberwolves need a PG to fill in between MC Jr and Dilly. I'm not sure that DDV can be that full time, although it seems to be working right now.

I’ve thought this all season, but I am starting to question it.

I am hoping we see Ant pay more attention to improving his playmaking this summer. DDV will have a full off-season to adjust to the team and the role. And if Randle is still here, he seems to enjoy being a point forward.

Could the three of them provide enough playmaking, that we can wait for Dillingham?

I thought it was a really good observation by I think it was JimPete the other night. Donte has a decent knack for feeling the vibes of teammates. If he sees Randle has gone a while without a touch, he'll get him the ball. If Rudy is starting to pout, he'll get him the ball. At the end of the day, that's one of the biggest requirements for an NBA "point guard" - reading the room to figure out where to get the ball.

Or you know your GM can not stock your roster with a bunch of big babies.

[Neeva]

I think it’s time to move on from Rudy after this season. I still like the trade and it was a good thing for Ant, Jaden and Naz to make them grow but I think the pieces the wolves get for Rudy will be more impactful these next 3-4 seasons(and beyond) than 33-35 year old Rudy will. I think the wolves will easily get back the remaining value that they will owe Utah after this draft (Two picks and useful players). I see Hawks, Lakers, Spurs, maybe Suns all being interested in Rudy.

[gandlogo]

Charlotte has a lot of draft picks. I'm ready to ship Ant for Ball. Include Dillingham because he's from NC and people seem to think players from MN always want to go back there so welcome home, Rob. Find a resting place for Rudy and hope that Mike retires.

[BlacJacMac]

Charlotte has a lot of draft picks. I'm ready to ship Ant for Ball. Include Dillingham because he's from NC and people seem to think players from MN always want to go back there so welcome home, Rob. Find a resting place for Rudy and hope that Mike retires.

Gross.

They don't have nearly enough draft picks for the downgrade from Ant to Ball.

[gandlogo]

Charlotte has a lot of draft picks. I'm ready to ship Ant for Ball. Include Dillingham because he's from NC and people seem to think players from MN always want to go back there so welcome home, Rob. Find a resting place for Rudy and hope that Mike retires.

Gross.

They don't have nearly enough draft picks for the downgrade from Ant to Ball.

I'm simply convinced that Ant is no longer going to be that guy and am ready to move on from him. A good, young PG could really help the rest of this team much more than a ball-dominant chucker. Add some financial flexibility and tradable picks because I wouldn't want to rely on the picks themselves as the path forward. Just sick of dumb players.

[TimberKat]

Charlotte has a lot of draft picks. I'm ready to ship Ant for Ball. Include Dillingham because he's from NC and people seem to think players from MN always want to go back there so welcome home, Rob. Find a resting place for Rudy and hope that Mike retires.

Gross.

They don't have nearly enough draft picks for the downgrade from Ant to Ball.

I'm simply convinced that Ant is no longer going to be that guy and am ready to move on from him. A good, young PG could really help the rest of this team much more than a ball-dominant chucker. Add some financial flexibility and tradable picks because I wouldn't want to rely on the picks themselves as the path forward. Just sick of dumb players.

Not Ant for Ball but get Ball with Ant. Ant is not 'The Guy'. He never was. Randle/Gobert is not providing the counter balance (DLo and Towns seems to be better with that). We need that other 1st or 2nd guy that will hold the ball most of the time

[BlacJacMac]

Charlotte has a lot of draft picks. I'm ready to ship Ant for Ball. Include Dillingham because he's from NC and people seem to think players from MN always want to go back there so welcome home, Rob. Find a resting place for Rudy and hope that Mike retires.

Gross.

They don't have nearly enough draft picks for the downgrade from Ant to Ball.

I'm simply convinced that Ant is no longer going to be that guy and am ready to move on from him. A good, young PG could really help the rest of this team much more than a ball-dominant chucker. Add some financial flexibility and tradable picks because I wouldn't want to rely on the picks themselves as the path forward. Just sick of dumb players.

Ball is even more of a ball-dominant chucker than Edwards, always goes for the flashy play instead of the steady one, plays no defense at all and misses a ton of games every year.

8M/year is not nearly enough savings.

[life_saver]

Charlotte has a lot of draft picks. I'm ready to ship Ant for Ball. Include Dillingham because he's from NC and people seem to think players from MN always want to go back there so welcome home, Rob. Find a resting place for Rudy and hope that Mike retires.

lmao what ? All the other teams and fanbases would be laughing at this trade. Good reminder for me not to spend much time on here whenever Wolves have a bad stretch

[Neeva]

Some of you wanna tank next season? I had a dream that wolves won the lotto next year but had to give up the 1st pick and Dybantsa to the Jazz, but it’s okay cause Jazz had the second pick and wolves wanted Peterson all along.

Derryn Peterson, Ant, McDaniels,Naz whatever we get for Rudy and Randall sounds good to me.

[TimberKat]

With MEM fired their head coach, there is rumors about trading Ja. Does a Ja+Ant combo work? I feel they are both too ball dominant and will turn Ant into a super Bane. I also don't think we have the assets to get him without some crazy 4 teams trade but at least the asking price should be relatively low. Especially when you factor in Luka's price as baseline

[TimberKat]

Some of you wanna tank next season? I had a dream that wolves won the lotto next year but had to give up the 1st pick and Dybantsa to the Jazz, but it’s okay cause Jazz had the second pick and wolves wanted Peterson all along.

Derryn Peterson, Ant, McDaniels,Naz whatever we get for Rudy and Randall sounds good to me.

We tanked in Towns era to get Ant. It also reminded was me of 76ers trade up to get Fultz . Next year is a little too soon for me. Let's get KD and make a two year run. The 27-28 and 28-29 are perfect tank years. Especially the 29 pick is top 5 protected. We should sit Ant for the entire 28-29 season or do a one year loaner like they do in soccer

[shangrila]

Rebuilding? Are you people insane?

Do fans of this team enjoy being miserable?

[Neeva]

Meh a quick “rebuild” to get Ant a true Robin is better than just middling with an aging Rudy and Randall masquerading as Robins, taking into consideration the wolves lack of future assets, it’s the best way to go for the wolves to be real contenders in Ant’s prime.


No one wants a sixers “trust the process” tank after tank type of rebuild here.

[TimberKat]

Rebuilding? Are you people insane?

Do fans of this team enjoy being miserable?

Rebuild gives people hope, there is always a better tomorrow. That why we are Wolves fans for 30 years

[TimberKat]

Meh a quick “rebuild” to get Ant a true Robin is better than just middling with an aging Rudy and Randall masquerading as Robins, taking into consideration the wolves lack of future assets, it’s the best way to go for the wolves to be real contenders in Ant’s prime.


No one wants a sixers “trust the process” tank after tank type of rebuild here.

It more like Robin needs to find Batman.

[shangrila]

Meh a quick “rebuild” to get Ant a true Robin is better than just middling with an aging Rudy and Randall masquerading as Robins, taking into consideration the wolves lack of future assets, it’s the best way to go for the wolves to be real contenders in Ant’s prime.


No one wants a sixers “trust the process” tank after tank type of rebuild here.

My comment wasn't directed at you. Moving Rudy should be explored; I'm mildly hopeful that Dallas attempts to double down on their poor decisions and becomes interested in a Gobert-Lively based swap to maximise their championship "window"

[shangrila]

Rebuilding? Are you people insane?

Do fans of this team enjoy being miserable?

Rebuild gives people hope, there is always a better tomorrow. That why we are Wolves fans for 30 years

I don't think I'd have it in me.

The draft is too much of a crapshoot, even for me who actively enjoys scouting. Just going back to the last 5 drafts shows the majority of players don't reach their "ceilings" or projected outcomes, with maybe half of those out of the league (or as good as) before their rookie contract even ends.

[TimberKat]

Now that the DET 2025 1st basically turn into our own 1st and the Gobert, DLo, and Towns trades were all linked. So if we look at all 3 together, I really don't think we gave up a lot to get Gobert, especially when some were talking about a Randle for Towns straight up trade. Although it maybe debatable are we really better with all those trades. Given how DLo turn out, we could even say Conley out lasted DLo in productivity. NAW could be considered a wash as we may had kept Beasley or Vanderbilt.

Out:
Towns, DLo
#22 in 2022,
#16 in 2023,
1st in 2027,
1st(top 5 protected) in 2029

In:
Gobert, Randle, Conley, DDV, NAW
2nd in 2024 -not sure which pick this is
2nd in 2025 (UTA)
2nd in 2026 (UTA)