Value of upcoming MN FA

[jscott]

All it takes is one manager to throw money at Naz.

Literally only one team (the Nets) have cap space.

As things stand today.

Ok, I’ll call your bluff, how would other teams go about adding enough cap to sign Naz?

[BlacJacMac]

Literally only one team (the Nets) have cap space.

As things stand today.

Ok, I’ll call your bluff, how would other teams go about adding enough cap to sign Naz?

Trading players?

A lot of roster turnover happens every year.

And its not true that only the Nets have cap space. They're the only team with Max cap space.

Let's take Detroit, since they've been brought up in this thread. They could currently offer Naz a deal starting at 26M as things stand now.

[Neeva]

Can wolves do a sign and trade for Naz? I don’t want wolves to lose him for nothing. I can see Naz wanting to start on a team though. Like Stewart and Ivey and a future pistons first for Naz?

[jscott]

As things stand today.

Ok, I’ll call your bluff, how would other teams go about adding enough cap to sign Naz?

Trading players?

A lot of roster turnover happens every year.

And its not true that only the Nets have cap space. They're the only team with Max cap space.

Let's take Detroit, since they've been brought up in this thread. They could currently offer Naz a deal starting at 26M as things stand now.

Yes, of course, trading players but if other teams don’t have cap, you can’t acquire cap. They will be sending salary back as well. There is very little cap out there this year for FA compared to other offseasons.

[jscott]

Can wolves do a sign and trade for Naz? I don’t want wolves to lose him for nothing. I can see Naz wanting to start on a team though. Like Stewart and Ivey and a future pistons first for Naz?

Since we’re a 2nd apron team, we can only S&T in deals that dont involve us getting back other players if it keeps us over the 2nd apron.

So we could easily trade for picks but it depends on how far over you are if you can take talent back.

[TimberKat]

All it takes is one manager to throw money at Naz.

Literally only one team (the Nets) have cap space.

As things stand today.

Does Memphis, Chicago, and Detroit also money? Cap is projected to be 155m. A few team could also do some type of trades?

[TimberKat]

I think there is a role here for both Randle and Naz. They don't really play the same way at all. The question is, will there be money for both?

I think the money could be solved by just not bringing back NAW (with some combination of Dillingham/Clark/Shannon filling the minutes). To me the bigger issue is getting buy in from both Julius and Naz on a plan for who starts and how many minutes they each get. I definitely don't see Naz settling for 27 min a night going forward and I'm unsure how important getting a starting spot will be (Naz has made a pretty strong case he is a starting caliber player).

I think if you keep both then you have to find a Rudy replacement. Someone who fits better all around.

I actually think you need Gobert if you want to keep them. Both are so bad on defense.

[jscott]

Literally only one team (the Nets) have cap space.

As things stand today.

Does Memphis, Chicago, and Detroit also money? Cap is projected to be 155m. A few team could also do some type of trades?

Just Detroit and the Nets unless the Bulls wanna lose Giddey or the Grizz wanna let Aldama walk - which neither do.

[minimus]

As things stand today.

Does Memphis, Chicago, and Detroit also money? Cap is projected to be 155m. A few team could also do some type of trades?

Just Detroit and the Nets unless the Bulls wanna lose Giddey or the Grizz wanna let Aldama walk - which neither do.

I might be mistaken, but I see it differently. When one manager falls in love with Naz Reid game, he will use all tools to get him. Let say SAS say that Wemby+Reid is their future frontcourt, because Reid can shoot and Wemby is future DPOY.

[minimus]

As things stand today.

Does Memphis, Chicago, and Detroit also money? Cap is projected to be 155m. A few team could also do some type of trades?

Just Detroit and the Nets unless the Bulls wanna lose Giddey or the Grizz wanna let Aldama walk - which neither do.

I might be mistaken, but I see it differently. When one manager falls in love with Naz Reid game, he will use all tools to get him. Let say SAS say that Wemby+Reid is their future frontcourt, because Reid can shoot and Wemby is future DPOY.

[jscott]

Does Memphis, Chicago, and Detroit also money? Cap is projected to be 155m. A few team could also do some type of trades?

Just Detroit and the Nets unless the Bulls wanna lose Giddey or the Grizz wanna let Aldama walk - which neither do.

I might be mistaken, but I see it differently. When one manager falls in love with Naz Reid game, he will use all tools to get him. Let say SAS say that Wemby+Reid is their future frontcourt, because Reid can shoot and Wemby is future DPOY.

Sure but the Fox trade took the Spurs out of it and they’d need to gut their roster (and find a trading partner who has the cap to take it on - which only maybe 2 teams can do).

No one is doing that for Naz.

[TimberKat]

Just Detroit and the Nets unless the Bulls wanna lose Giddey or the Grizz wanna let Aldama walk - which neither do.

I might be mistaken, but I see it differently. When one manager falls in love with Naz Reid game, he will use all tools to get him. Let say SAS say that Wemby+Reid is their future frontcourt, because Reid can shoot and Wemby is future DPOY.

Sure but the Fox trade took the Spurs out of it and they’d need to gut their roster (and find a trading partner who has the cap to take it on - which only maybe 2 teams can do).

No one is doing that for Naz.

Assuming they want Naz that badly, they can trade Barnes, not resign Paul and free up 31M. The question really is about does any team see Naz as a core (3 or 4) player, which I said no.

[jscott]

I might be mistaken, but I see it differently. When one manager falls in love with Naz Reid game, he will use all tools to get him. Let say SAS say that Wemby+Reid is their future frontcourt, because Reid can shoot and Wemby is future DPOY.

Sure but the Fox trade took the Spurs out of it and they’d need to gut their roster (and find a trading partner who has the cap to take it on - which only maybe 2 teams can do).

No one is doing that for Naz.

Assuming they want Naz that badly, they can trade Barnes, not resign Paul and free up 31M. The question really is about does any team see Naz as a core (3 or 4) player, which I said no.

But who is going to take on Barnes? Nets or Detroit? Cause no one else can. Point is, clearing additional cap this year won’t be easy for anyone.

[younggunsmn]

Lots of teams would like Barnes on that expiring 19 mil contract, he's still a good player.
Fortunately for us that doesn't fit into the MLE, but that can be worked around with a 3 team trade where another team eats a contract that fits into their MLE as part of the salary matching.

And if Det or BRK is going to eat a salary dump for draft assets, Barnes is probably the ideal type of contract to take on as he's expiring and a guy they can flip at the deadline to a contender for more assets ala Finney'-Smith last deadline.

So don't count out the Spurs completely on Naz.
Sochan is also very movable.

A lot depends on where they end up in the draft though, they may draft a PF too.
But Naz could be their Hartenstein move.

[TimberKat]

Sure but the Fox trade took the Spurs out of it and they’d need to gut their roster (and find a trading partner who has the cap to take it on - which only maybe 2 teams can do).

No one is doing that for Naz.

Assuming they want Naz that badly, they can trade Barnes, not resign Paul and free up 31M. The question really is about does any team see Naz as a core (3 or 4) player, which I said no.

But who is going to take on Barnes? Nets or Detroit? Cause no one else can. Point is, clearing additional cap this year won’t be easy for anyone.

How about 2nd or late first to CHA or BKN? They could release him mid season? I am just thinking crazy. Which is why I think Naz is a sub 20m and whatever Wolves could give him is good.

[Ethomasp31]

Naz makes our bigs work. He stays. Randle likely opts in and because of TSJ, Dillingham, and Clarke, NAW becomes expendable. I think they try to have Randle opt out and take a longer deal for less but more years. Minott is a casualty and Garza probably stays since we value him more than what market is.

Is Naz or Randle more valuable at 3/75?

Was this really a serious question?

[cmoss84]

Naz makes our bigs work. He stays. Randle likely opts in and because of TSJ, Dillingham, and Clarke, NAW becomes expendable. I think they try to have Randle opt out and take a longer deal for less but more years. Minott is a casualty and Garza probably stays since we value him more than what market is.

Is Naz or Randle more valuable at 3/75?

Was this really a serious question?

Yes.

[jpatrick]

Watching these playoffs, it’s clear Rudy is a liability in this environment. He’s a year from defensive player of the year. Does he have enough value that we could trade him for a quality third big and cap space. I would take even take Walker Kessler and cap space. Jabari Smith and cap space. Something like that. Getting Rudy’s 35m off the books would allow us to resign NAW/Naz.

[Neeva]

Watching these playoffs, it’s clear Rudy is a liability in this environment. He’s a year from defensive player of the year. Does he have enough value that we could trade him for a quality third big and cap space. I would take even take Walker Kessler and cap space. Jabari Smith and cap space. Something like that. Getting Rudy’s 35m off the books would allow us to resign NAW/Naz.

Naw isn’t needed and he is tanking in the post season(yet again). I think he will be cheaper to retain than people think or easily replaced by Clark and TJ (I believe in those two)

Also hell no to Walker Kessler, he would get exposed in the playoffs even more than Rudy and he is about to be extremely overpaid..

I honestly think there will be many teams wanting Rudy on his new extension, he is still very important for winning and good defense and there are teams that badly need that like the Hawks and Dallas,their gms are so dumb too.

[minimus]

Watching these playoffs, it’s clear Rudy is a liability in this environment. He’s a year from defensive player of the year. Does he have enough value that we could trade him for a quality third big and cap space. I would take even take Walker Kessler and cap space. Jabari Smith and cap space. Something like that. Getting Rudy’s 35m off the books would allow us to resign NAW/Naz.

Imagine Gobert playing with LeBron and Doncic. He would have 3-4 alley-oops every game.