How is the opinion on Rashad McCants now?...

[big3_8_19_21]

Yeah, I don't like that 1-1 from the FT line, but hey, if he can make shots like that, he doesn't really need FT's now, does he?

[Gunny]

If I'm not mistaken, I believe McCants attacked the rim many times throughout the game. It was just a matter of drawing the foul.

[casey]

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You keep saying the same thing over and over..."he's played plenty of basketball"...and I ask again, is he the only 23 year old in the league expected to be a complete player? I just don't get why he's held to such lofty standards compared to his peers in your eyes.

I'm not asking him to be perfect. I don't hold him to any higher standards than anybody else. He's a horrible defender and he turns the ball over way too much. There's no excuse for him being so poor in those areas. And I'm not a big enough homer to assume that he'll fix those problems just because he's still young.

[shrink]

casey, I think you believe being an anti-homer means you're unbiased.

You're just as wrong as homers, just biased in the opposite direction.

[big3_8_19_21]

casey: please find my quote when I said McCants WILL fix these problems, I just said I don't see any reason why he couldn't and that I THINK he will. If I did say that he will, I apologize because I did not mean that. I'm just saying that in MY opinion, I think that McCants will fix (or at least improve upon) these issues.

If you don't think he is capable of that, or do not think that he will do that, that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.

[TheProdigy]

Inconsistancy or not, he's having a good year. The more court time he gets, the less inconsistant he will become. I think he's figuring out that the easiest buckets are within ten feet and at the charity stripe. He's starting off the game driving to the hoop to keep his defender honest. Then they start giving him some space, and he starts hitting the long ball as well.

[casey]

casey, I think you believe being an anti-homer means you're unbiased.

You're just as wrong as homers, just biased in the opposite direction.

What?

casey: please find my quote when I said McCants WILL fix these problems, I just said I don't see any reason why he couldn't and that I THINK he will. If I did say that he will, I apologize because I did not mean that. I'm just saying that in MY opinion, I think that McCants will fix (or at least improve upon) these issues.

If you don't think he is capable of that, or do not think that he will do that, that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.

I don't see a difference between you saying he will or saying you think he will (I'm not sure that I ever claimed you said the former anyways, but whatever).

I still don't understand why you think he'll fix these issues. Like I said right away, I haven't seen any signs of him improving this. And it's not like he hasn't had the opportunity to improve. Sure he's not a final product yet, but he isn't some kid without any experience either. If he was going to ever fix these huge issues you'd think that he would be improving on them at this point. But he's not.

[tanat-0s]

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He's in his 3rd season as a pro and he played 3 full seasons at UNC. This isn't some rookie out of high school here. He's played plenty of basketball.

More like his 2nd season as a pro (remember that microfracture surgery?).
And I believe he was injured one year in college too if I'm not mistaken (or it was foye?).
Cut McCants some slack, casey, he didn't played for an entire year coming from one of the worst surgeries that can happen to you in sports.

[deeney0]

Wolves can't afford to be cutting McCants any slack - the next 40+ games will determine whether he's part of the Wolves future as a starter, off the bench, or not at all. The fouls and TOs are still a major problem that can't be ignored. I'm happy he's scoring more, but no one should have him inked in yet at the Wolves future starting SG yet.

[tanat-0s]

That's not the point.
Nobody is giving McCants anything yet.
But writing him off is a little premature too.

[wolves_fan_82au]

Wolves can't afford to be cutting McCants any slack - the next 40+ games will determine whether he's part of the Wolves future as a starter, off the bench, or not at all. The fouls and TOs are still a major problem that can't be ignored. I'm happy he's scoring more, but no one should have him inked in yet at the Wolves future starting SG yet.

lol some of u guys seem too think this is a make or break year when its not why cant u people see that we are rebuilding and our younger players are still learning

Brewer hasnt improved hes shooting one bit maybe we should give up on him and cut him

yes theres a age difference but why should that matter hell bulls should cut Gorden too hes inconsistant as well

Mccants is avg a career high 15ppg , the way i saw him hussle for the ball against miami was amazing he got offensive rebounds in that game against guys twice hes size

[wolves_fan_82au]

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Tu ... 1&splitDD=

Mccants is 49th in turnovers there are 48 more player right there that should be dumped

[casey]

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More like his 2nd season as a pro (remember that microfracture surgery?).
And I believe he was injured one year in college too if I'm not mistaken (or it was foye?).
Cut McCants some slack, casey, he didn't played for an entire year coming from one of the worst surgeries that can happen to you in sports.

I can't look it up right now, but off the top of my head I think he played like 37 games last year. Not an entire year, like half a year. Not sure about college.

I'm not giving up on him or saying we should get rid of him. He has some huge flaws that need a lot of work. A common attitude i see around here is making excuses for players, or the whole team for that matter, because they're young. As if it's only a matter of time before this team is great.

[tanat-0s]

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I'm not giving up on him or saying we should get rid of him. He has some huge flaws that need a lot of work. A common attitude i see around here is making excuses for players, or the whole team for that matter, because they're young. As if it's only a matter of time before this team is great.

This team will never be great as long as Taylor is the owner.

[big3_8_19_21]

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I can't look it up right now, but off the top of my head I think he played like 37 games last year. Not an entire year, like half a year. Not sure about college.

I'm not giving up on him or saying we should get rid of him. He has some huge flaws that need a lot of work. A common attitude i see around here is making excuses for players, or the whole team for that matter, because they're young. As if it's only a matter of time before this team is great.

Those weren't exactly productive games for him to be playing in coming off of the surgery. He regressed tremendously in those games (as was to be expected after microfracture surgery).

Though I am admittedly a homer, I still maintain that there is no guaranteed greatness with this team, we still have a lot to work on, but I AM blindly hopeful that we will be great.

[big3_8_19_21]

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What?

He's saying that instead of being a homer, you are the antithesis of it. Instead of being blindly hopeful and optimistic, you are very cynical and jaded towards the future of the team. It's equally as unrealistic.

I don't see a difference between you saying he will or saying you think he will (I'm not sure that I ever claimed you said the former anyways, but whatever).

I still don't understand why you think he'll fix these issues. Like I said right away, I haven't seen any signs of him improving this. And it's not like he hasn't had the opportunity to improve. Sure he's not a final product yet, but he isn't some kid without any experience either. If he was going to ever fix these huge issues you'd think that he would be improving on them at this point. But he's not.

That difference should be obvious to anyone with a grasp of the English language. I'm sorry I sound like a total jerk right now, but I've tried to be civil about it and quite frankly there's no simpler way of stating what I said.

I THINK that he will improve on his problems for 2 reasons:
1. I'm a homer. I'm the first to admit it and I have done so many times.
2. These things take time and he has the drive/work ethic to do it.

btw, if you were still wondering about your claim, you clearly implied an accusation here:

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I'm not asking him to be perfect. I don't hold him to any higher standards than anybody else. He's a horrible defender and he turns the ball over way too much. There's no excuse for him being so poor in those areas. And I'm not a big enough homer to assume that he'll fix those problems just because he's still young.

[deeney0]

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lol some of u guys seem too think this is a make or break year when its not why cant u people see that we are rebuilding and our younger players are still learning

No, this next draft is going to make or break the Wolves; I don't want the Wolves picking Beasley or Jordan because they think McCants is something he's not. Conversely, I don't want the Wolves picking Rose or Mayo and prematurely giving up on McCants. That's why the next 40 games are so important.

[4ho5ive]

I totally agree with you in that respect deeney. While it shouldnt be a make or break for Shad, he needs to keep this up for the long haul, at the very least if only to save himself. I think he has it in him and im just waiting till Foye comes back to see how he and McCants really "click" as a possible backcourt of the future.

[casey]

That difference should be obvious to anyone with a grasp of the English language. I'm sorry I sound like a total jerk right now, but I've tried to be civil about it and quite frankly there's no simpler way of stating what I said.

If you say "McCants will improve" that doesn't make it a fact. It's your opinion. So you think he will improve. Right? Just as you would if you were to say "I think McCants will improve". I can see saying that one is more definitive than the other. But they're still the same thing. And I'm not sure why you're being picky about the difference, considering I never said either of those, only supposedly implied it.

I THINK that he will improve on his problems for 2 reasons:
1. I'm a homer. I'm the first to admit it and I have done so many times.
2. These things take time and he has the drive/work ethic to do it.

btw, if you were still wondering about your claim, you clearly implied an accusation here:

"And I'm not a big enough homer to assume that he'll fix those problems just because he's still young."

It looks like I was pretty accurate as to why you think he'll improve.

[big3_8_19_21]

If you say "McCants will improve" that doesn't make it a fact. It's your opinion. So you think he will improve. Right? Just as you would if you were to say "I think McCants will improve". I can see saying that one is more definitive than the other. But they're still the same thing. And I'm not sure why you're being picky about the difference, considering I never said either of those, only supposedly implied it.

Obviously stating something as fact does not make it fact, but it is a vastly different level of confidence in or assertion of your statement than saying that it is your opinion that something is so. It's very, very simple and very rudimentary. Saying I THINK he will improve means I'm leaving open the possibility that he will not whereas saying he WILL improve means I cannot accept the possibility that he will not improve.

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"And I'm not a big enough homer to assume that he'll fix those problems just because he's still young."

It looks like I was pretty accurate as to why you think he'll improve.

To a certain extent, yes, you are correct. However those two things are not nearly as absolutely hand-in-hand correlated as you are making them out to be. You make it sound as though you MUST be a homer to think that he has a shot at fixing his flaws.

OK, respond as you like, I'm done with this petty arguing.