TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st

Nick K · Post #401 » by **Nick K** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:15 am

I heard the Wolves are making a big push for JJ Redick. Let's get him.

Maefteda · Post #402 » by **Maefteda** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:17 am

Where are all the Lowry haters now that we are talking about Redick? The dude is 33 and we might give him 4/64...

Takingbaconback · Post #403 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:18 am

Maefteda wrote:Where are all the Lowry haters now that we are talking about Redick? The dude is 33 and we might give him 4/64...

Well I don't know what the deal for Redick is. We knew Lowry was going for a "team friendly" deal for 25 million a year. That's like 3 yr/75million vs possibly 3/42 million.

Would you be against signing Redick for 3year/42mil?

Maefteda · Post #404 » by **Maefteda** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:19 am

Well.. both deals would give us no cap space left anyway, so what's the difference?

Takingbaconback · Post #405 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:19 am

Maefteda wrote:Well.. both deals would give us no cap space left anyway, so what's the difference?

We got Teague and Redick vs Lowry. I hated the Lowry deal cuz there would be no room to improve the bench.

Maefteda · Post #406 » by **Maefteda** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:21 am

Would rather have something like Lowry/Korver.

Redick sucked in the playoffs as well.

Zeitgeister · Post #407 » by **Zeitgeister** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:22 am

MN7725 wrote:Teague

Catch/Shoot 3s

2016-17 44/117 37.6 %
2015-16 56/113 49.6%
2014-15 36/89 40.4%
2013-14 38/111 34.2%

This is the most relevant stat of them all, looks like we made a good move.

Takingbaconback · Post #408 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:23 am

Maefteda wrote:Would rather have something like Lowry/Korver.

You don't know if they could have gotten him with limited cap space. Signing Teague over Lowry gives the Wolves flexibility and options.

Lowry and Korver sucked in the playoffs as well lol and are 31 and 36 year old vs 29 and 33 year old. I thought that's what you didn't want.

TheDominator273 · Post #409 » by **TheDominator273** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:23 am

Big difference in giving a 31 year old PG huge money vs giving a 33 year old 3 point specialist average starter money to be the 6th man

Maefteda · Post #410 » by **Maefteda** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:27 am

Takingbaconback wrote:
Maefteda wrote:Would rather have something like Lowry/Korver.

You don't know if they could have gotten him with limited cap space. Signing Teague over Lowry gives the Wolves flexibility and options.

6 million. Which if we give Redick 16 mill, would leave us with 10 million if Lowry was there instead. Korver, Tucker, Waiters, Bogdanovic, Miles, Dunleavy. Plenty of options.

Takingbaconback · Post #411 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:33 am

Maefteda wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:
Maefteda wrote:Would rather have something like Lowry/Korver.

You don't know if they could have gotten him with limited cap space. Signing Teague over Lowry gives the Wolves flexibility and options.

6 million. Which if we give Redick 16 mill, would leave us with 10 million if Lowry was there instead. Korver, Tucker, Waiters, Bogdanovic, Miles, Dunleavy. Plenty of options.

Well you're definitely not getting Waiters for just 10 million. Korver is 36 years old. I like Tucker but sounds like the Wolves are targeting shooting. Personally I rather have Ingles, but it's giving the FO flexibility to do what they are trying to do.

Maefteda · Post #412 » by **Maefteda** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:35 am

We can agree on Ingles

If he would not be matched at $16 mill, that's a no brainer. He can defend and playmake as well as make shots. He completely shut down Redick in the playoffs.

Takingbaconback · Post #413 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:38 am

Maefteda wrote:We can agree on Ingles

If he would not be matched at $16 mill, that's a no brainer. He can defend and playmake as well as make shots. He completely shut down Redick in the playoffs.

lol he shut down the clippers :lol:

Grizzlies are rumored for him, that would be a great get for them

Maefteda · Post #414 » by **Maefteda** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:41 am

Read on Twitter

Would rather have Miles for cheaper.

Takingbaconback · Post #415 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:46 am

The thing about JJ redick is that his 3 point numbers are amazing. 43.7%, 47.5%, 42.9% from downtown the last 3 years. Lifetime 88.8% FT shooter. That's just hard to pass up especially with the teams need for shooting.

Would love to see Redick and Tucker worked into the cap somehow.

vagelis · Post #416 » by **vagelis** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:50 am

Welcome to winning..
Thibs has already rebuilt the team this summer and I think he will continue.
The RR trade is the day that will change the Wolves future.
Jeff Teague is a good player and we got him with only 3m above Rubio's contract.
This means that finally we will play 5 against 5 in offense. This means less double teams to Wiggins, Butler and Towns.
Rubio's trade value is zero and that is what we got.
We have to be happy that we waived his contract and partially thank him for all the good drafts the last years.

TheProdigy · Post #417 » by **TheProdigy** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:52 am

Maefteda wrote:

Read on Twitter

Would rather have Miles for cheaper.

This is great news. We need to come out of free agency with at least 1 of JJ Redick, CJ Miles, and/or Kyle Korver.

shrink · Post #418 » by **shrink** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:56 am

I tried to look at this trade again, with fresh eyes, and I still don't like it.

We have three alpha scorers already, and the ball is going to be in Jimmy Butler's hands at the end of games. What we need is a low usage, 3-and-d guy. teague > rubio in the three's, but rubio is > teague defensively. We didn't lose games because we xouldn't generate enough offense.

It's nice that Teague can run the high post pick and roll. But how important is that really, if Butler is running the offense most ofmthe time. Moreover, even though other teams with the right personnel like to run that play, it is not a rule that every team has to do so. The Spurs did just fine last last year, and again, MIN's offense was fine when Rubio was on the floor. His lack of shooting was off-set by his passing, and the increased FG% he produced for his teammates by finding them easier looks.

In the end, the trade with the Jazz looked fair, assuming we were using that extra cap space to upgrade the position. Since Rubio can do every other PG skill other than shooting better than Teague, I think we used the cap space in a downgrade.

King Malta · Post #419 » by **King Malta** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 5:58 am

Can someone advise me on how much cap space we have left after this Teague move?

Post #420 » by **Klomp** » Sat Jul 1, 2017 6:10 am

shrink wrote:I tried to look at this trade again, with fresh eyes, and I still don't like it.

We have three alpha scorers already, and the ball is going to be in Jimmy Butler's hands at the end of games. What we need is a low usage, 3-and-d guy. teague > rubio in the three's, but rubio is > teague defensively. We didn't lose games because we xouldn't generate enough offense.

It's nice that Teague can run the high post pick and roll. But how important is that really, if Butler is running the offense most ofmthe time. Moreover, even though other teams with the right personnel like to run that play, it is not a rule that every team has to do so. The Spurs did just fine last last year, and again, MIN's offense was fine when Rubio was on the floor. His lack of shooting was off-set by his passing, and the increased FG% he produced for his teammates by finding them easier looks.

In the end, the trade with the Jazz looked fair, assuming we were using that extra cap space to upgrade the position. Since Rubio can do every other PG skill other than shooting better than Teague, I think we used the cap space in a downgrade.

You lose games because of both offense and defense.

The Wolves were 24th in opponent FG% in the clutch, but only 25th in clutch FG% on the offensive end.

Rubio is very much a part of those clutch offense woes. It isn't just about who takes that final shot, but what defenders are keying on during that play. If the opponent has to respect the man in the corner, he won't be able to provide help coverage as easily.