yungmasaiah wrote:1. Usually we sit him for 5-10 games/yr when we play bad teams. Last year was the first time he got injured, missed a couple games came back fine, this year he got injured twice for a total of 3 weeks (both minor injuries; thumb and ankle i believe) came back and dropped from 16.4ppg to 16ppg, everything else was the same including efficiency (mostly due to minute restrictions).
To be completely honest this sounds like downplaying. Sitting him entirely for 5-10 games sounds like BS, no offence, and whether it's a specific recurring injury or differing ones is irrelevant if he's missing time regardless.
2. Our backup SG Terrence Davis (23 yrs old) as a rookie is better than Okogie and also on a cheap deal. We also would want to give minutes to Matt Thomas as future backup SG. Our starting PG-SF-PF plays 35+ mins each as well so we need a PF/C. For example I would take Naz Reid, if Naz was actually good. Since you guys dont have a good young PF/C (That's tradeable) the 17th pick would be the most fair value for both teams because we could actually select a position of need at the draft.
See, I'm not so sure about that fair value of the mid 1st (it's actually going to be either the 15th or 16th, for reference).
You mentioned several issues yourself; he's due for a raise and, like you, we have people that are going to/are getting paid (KAT/DLo on maxes, Beasley is about to get a raise, whatever happens with Juancho, etc). We'd also have a log jam of sorts, as with Beasley, Culver, Okogie and now Powell we'd have 4 guys all either deserving of or needing minutes at that 2/3 spot (I'm assuming Powell can cover 3s?). Which doesn't address our real problem which is a lack of 3/4 guys...something that could, potentially, be addressed in the draft and with that pick specifically (Saddiq Bey and Patrick Williams being prime candidates).
I'm not hating on Powell as a player, don't get me wrong, but when you add up all the factors I'm not sure that I'd rather have him over the 4 years of cheap, team control you'd get out of the 1st. If I'm upgrading from Okogie that'd be different, hence my proposal.
Also why would you rather keep James Johnson? It would be smarter to keep Spellman who plays the same position who is 10 years younger than him, averages the same numbers, actually still has potential, and makes 15m less than him. Not to mention he will leave to ringchase like any other vet his age? Now instead of giving up 1 young player at 17 and a salary filler you're giving up 3 young players (although only 2 have potential, Evans is trash) and the 33rd pick?
There's a lot wrong here.
Firstly, Spellman doesn't play the same position as Johnson. I'm not sure where you're getting that idea. Omari is a stretch 5 that can maybe cover 4s if he can keep his weight down (which he seemingly can't). Johnson is a playmaking 4 that can play either up or down depending on matchups. Johnson played a key role for us off the bench, not just as a veteran but as a swiss army knife utility style player that helped to fill in some of the cracks. Omari has no chance of doing anything like that.
I'm not sure where you're getting the "averages the same numbers" idea from either. Johnson, for us, averaged 12ppg, 4.7rpg and 3.8apg. Spellman averaged for the Warriors (since he never suited up for us) 7.6ppg and 4.5rpg with 1apg. I guess they're similar but, yeah, it's not really giving you a good idea of who they are, is it?
Personally, I think Spellman sucks. Some people think he's worth something around here but I don't see it. He's struggled with weight issues, he's not exactly tall for a 5 or particularly mobile if you were to put him at the 4 and he's (apparently) got serious attitude concerns. He's not good enough to be a diva, doesn't address our defensive issues and is just all around replaceable. Being able to shoot as a 5 is nice but isn't the unicorn skill it once was. What I'm hoping for is that some GM will bite on him and give us some value, similar to how you're talking. So hey, Spellman for your 1st?
Secondly, arguing that Johnson might leave when the risk is just as present with Powell (if not more so, given our financial constraints) is strange. There's nothing to specifically guarantee Johnson will leave (or Powell, to be fair) and I can count on Johnson being cheaper on his next contract.
As to why I want to keep Johnson, it's simple; he's an experienced, productive veteran which is something we sorely lack. That combined with the utility he provides that I mentioned above make me want to keep him to hopefully help us win games next season. Ideally, I want to pair him with other vets (like Powell) which is why I'd rather jettison Okogie (reluctantly mind you, but I realise you have to give to get) and the assorted crap at the bottom of our payroll.
I would be all for your trade if the players that we are receiving would actually get minutes (like if spellman was 6'10'+ and could play C i would take your trade immediately, because its more value than i asked for). Spellman would be the only guy with value in that trade (for us specifically, im sure Okogie has value elsewhere) since we dont have a good backup pf and I would not trade Powell for spellman to backup our frontcourt in OG and Siakam who play 38mins+ each.
Spellman is a 5 but I get why you wouldn't want him. It is interesting to think what you'll do at the 5 going forward with Ibaka and Gasol going off contract or retiring.
So yeah, fair point. Maybe there just isn't a deal here.
So unless we can get the 17th pick it wouldn't make sense for us. I would accept trading Powell + McCaw instead of Powell + Johnson for J.J+BKN pick but thats about it. Anything more on our end is overpaying and anything more on your end is overpaying as well. It is fair for both
I'm not familiar with McCaw but I doubt he's moving the needle in this deal.
I get where you're coming from, there probably just isn't anything here for either of us.
3. Yes. I would say around 70% of his points come from DHOs (he drives as well off dho, not just shoots all the time), and the other 30% would come from spot up 3's from the corner and wing
Cool, then at least he fits with us offensively.
. But in Atl's case, I guess don't see them getting Brooklyn pick back?