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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#401 » by SSUBluesman » Sun Dec 6, 2020 3:40 pm

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I think the amount of attempts kept in check and the pressure being taken on by others helped. But his FT % that last month was still just 50%. I think it's evident, he had to/has to get confortable with the pressure of the NBA scene standing in his own shoes. FT shooting is standing alone in front of everyone almost like giving speeches on a stage. He needs to imagine everyone in the stadium as naked. Isn't that the old speech trick?

It's the Yips. Don't recall the last NBA player who had them.


It's not a clear case of the Yips. That would require first seeing the player with a significant ability to make shots over time suddenly and without understandable reasons completely lose any ability to shoot. Like watching Donovan McNabb reach numerous conference finals, but years later once wearing purple for Vikings he inexplicably threw passes into the grass over and over as if he was a 6 year old trying for the first time. That was the yips.

This is a player that had questionable consistency shooting in college, now in a tougher setting learning slowly to at least get back to what he was showing in college level. FT shooting is a unique aspect of basketball where no defender is actively trying to stop or pressure the shot, but all eyes are no longer on a team they are on that one person and there is time for your mind to creep in instead of reacting like in normal game play. It's a personal comfort thing in that setting he needs to get over. Some people never do. Which is why I hate drafting players that haven't yet proven they can do at least one thing at the highest levels during games yet. Games are where that pressure exists.


That wasn't the yips, McNabb was always erratic and throwing bounce passes to his receivers. I remember Philly fans warning Viking fans about it and enjoying the tears when they pretended it was something that happened once he donned the purple.



"As he did here for years, McNabb made the occasional stunning play ... quickly followed by a short-hop of an open receiver and then his old specialty, throwing the ball at a receiver's feet...

...But McNabb did something else, in addition to bouncing passes, that he did an awful lot of here for 11 years.

He won."


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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#402 » by shrink » Sun Dec 6, 2020 4:15 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:Like it or not, we didn’t sign Beasley to a 4/$60M contract with the intent on trying to trade him unless it was salary ballast in an immediate S&T deal which didn’t happen.

Why do you think that, especially since we traded our other salary ballast (James Johnson)?
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Post#403 » by UnFadeable21 » Sun Dec 6, 2020 4:27 pm

Beasley’s wife filed for divorced on Friday
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Post#404 » by Slim Tubby » Sun Dec 6, 2020 4:30 pm

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Slim Tubby wrote:Like it or not, we didn’t sign Beasley to a 4/$60M contract with the intent on trying to trade him unless it was salary ballast in an immediate S&T deal which didn’t happen.

Why do you think that, especially since we traded our other salary ballast (James Johnson)?

My theory is if Rosas didn’t want Beasley here long term, he only would’ve signed him to that deal with another trade that included him already lined up. I don’t believe he’d risk those terms just on the hope of finding a deal.

No subsequent trade happened so it’s my belief that Rosas wants him here for the long haul. Of course, things change quickly in this league and it wouldn’t surprise me if Beasley does get moved if a PF becomes available.


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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#405 » by winforlose » Sun Dec 6, 2020 4:36 pm

If Beasley gets suspended it will be a major blow to the wolves. That said, it seems the team thinks it is likely he will be suspended pending the resolution of the criminal charges. The real question for the organization going forward is whether the contract has any outs based on off court antics and league intervention. I imagine they did contract for some outs but only time will tell.
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Post#406 » by shrink » Sun Dec 6, 2020 4:41 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:Beasley’s wife filed for divorced on Friday

One of things I am most grateful for in this forum is how so many of you guys keep me aware of the news. This is information that I probably wouldn’t hear. Sometimes I bring it over ot the Trade Board when it specifically involves another team, and their posters often have heard this news either, so I think our forum has some of the best informed posters on RealGM.

Sad news for the Beasley’s and their child, but I wanted to say thanks for posting,
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Post#407 » by UnFadeable21 » Sun Dec 6, 2020 4:46 pm

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UnFadeable21 wrote:Beasley’s wife filed for divorced on Friday

One of things I am most grateful for in this forum is how so many of you guys keep me aware of the news. This is information that I probably wouldn’t hear. Sometimes I bring it over ot the Trade Board when it specifically involves another team, and their posters often have heard this news either, so I think our forum has some of the best informed posters on RealGM.

Sad news for the Beasley’s and their child, but I wanted to say thanks for posting,


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Post#408 » by shrink » Sun Dec 6, 2020 4:52 pm

winforlose wrote:If Beasley gets suspended it will be a major blow to the wolves. That said, it seems the team thinks it is likely he will be suspended pending the resolution of the criminal charges. The real question for the organization going forward is whether the contract has any outs based on off court antics and league intervention. I imagine they did contract for some outs but only time will tell.

Good point on contract clauses. Neither side would want to release this information.

Personally, I think some kind of nba suspension is unavoidable. My concern is jail time, under Minnesota’s state minimum sentencing laws. Since Rosas invested all our assets into guards, this may severely limit our flexibility. If Beasley and Russell are untradable, and Rubio is close through his help to win now, develop youth, and fan approval, it may mean we are forced to deal a young guard before we really know what he will develop into.
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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#409 » by minimus » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:08 pm

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winforlose wrote:If Beasley gets suspended it will be a major blow to the wolves. That said, it seems the team thinks it is likely he will be suspended pending the resolution of the criminal charges. The real question for the organization going forward is whether the contract has any outs based on off court antics and league intervention. I imagine they did contract for some outs but only time will tell.

Good point on contract clauses. Neither side would want to release this information.

Personally, I think some kind of nba suspension is unavoidable. My concern is jail time, under Minnesota’s state minimum sentencing laws. Since Rosas invested all our assets into guards, this may severely limit our flexibility. If Beasley and Russell are untradable, and Rubio is close through his help to win now, develop youth, and fan approval, it may mean we are forced to deal a young guard before we really know what he will develop into.


That is a bit damaged thinking. Having Rubio and Russel as playmakers is beneficial to young players such as Culver, Okogie, Edwards. We are youngest team in NBA with average age 23.6yo, this group needs guidance on and off the court. One example, it not coincidence that Beasley was absolute flamethrower with Beasley, because DLo ability to pass AND shoots creates so many scoring opportunities for others. Why we need to think about trading DLo? DLo was shooting 41% catch and shooting 3s in GSW, Rubio was around same number as spotup shooter in PHO. I dont see this as a negative thing, moreover, I think Rosas did it on purpose.

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Post#410 » by KGdaBom » Sun Dec 6, 2020 6:00 pm

SSUBluesman wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
I think the amount of attempts kept in check and the pressure being taken on by others helped. But his FT % that last month was still just 50%. I think it's evident, he had to/has to get confortable with the pressure of the NBA scene standing in his own shoes. FT shooting is standing alone in front of everyone almost like giving speeches on a stage. He needs to imagine everyone in the stadium as naked. Isn't that the old speech trick?

It's the Yips. Don't recall the last NBA player who had them.


Andris Biedrins.

Which is why I don't think it's the yips, and hope that I'm right given what happened to Beans.

If not the Yips how else can you explain a 70+% college FT shooter dropping to sub 50 in the NBA?
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Post#411 » by shrink » Sun Dec 6, 2020 6:05 pm

minimus wrote:
shrink wrote:
winforlose wrote:If Beasley gets suspended it will be a major blow to the wolves. That said, it seems the team thinks it is likely he will be suspended pending the resolution of the criminal charges. The real question for the organization going forward is whether the contract has any outs based on off court antics and league intervention. I imagine they did contract for some outs but only time will tell.

Good point on contract clauses. Neither side would want to release this information.

Personally, I think some kind of nba suspension is unavoidable. My concern is jail time, under Minnesota’s state minimum sentencing laws. Since Rosas invested all our assets into guards, this may severely limit our flexibility. If Beasley and Russell are untradable, and Rubio is close through his help to win now, develop youth, and fan approval, it may mean we are forced to deal a young guard before we really know what he will develop into.


That is a bit damaged thinking. Having Rubio and Russel as playmakers is beneficial to young players such as Culver, Okogie, Edwards. We are youngest team in NBA with average age 23.6yo, this group needs guidance on and off the court. One example, it not coincidence that Beasley was absolute flamethrower with Beasley, because DLo ability to pass AND shoots creates so many scoring opportunities for others. Why we need to think about trading DLo? DLo was shooting 41% catch and shooting 3s in GSW, Rubio was around same number as spotup shooter in PHO. I dont see this as a negative thing, moreover, I think Rosas did it on purpose.

What are you actually arguing with here?

Our flexibility isn’t limited if we plan to keep all six guards? Minutes?
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Post#412 » by minimus » Sun Dec 6, 2020 8:25 pm

shrink wrote:
minimus wrote:
shrink wrote:Good point on contract clauses. Neither side would want to release this information.

Personally, I think some kind of nba suspension is unavoidable. My concern is jail time, under Minnesota’s state minimum sentencing laws. Since Rosas invested all our assets into guards, this may severely limit our flexibility. If Beasley and Russell are untradable, and Rubio is close through his help to win now, develop youth, and fan approval, it may mean we are forced to deal a young guard before we really know what he will develop into.


That is a bit damaged thinking. Having Rubio and Russel as playmakers is beneficial to young players such as Culver, Okogie, Edwards. We are youngest team in NBA with average age 23.6yo, this group needs guidance on and off the court. One example, it not coincidence that Beasley was absolute flamethrower with Beasley, because DLo ability to pass AND shoots creates so many scoring opportunities for others. Why we need to think about trading DLo? DLo was shooting 41% catch and shooting 3s in GSW, Rubio was around same number as spotup shooter in PHO. I dont see this as a negative thing, moreover, I think Rosas did it on purpose.

What are you actually arguing with here?

Our flexibility isn’t limited if we plan to keep all six guards? Minutes?


I thought you already thinking about trading Russell and Beasley. But maybe it is just me.
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Post#413 » by Calinks » Sun Dec 6, 2020 10:45 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:Beasley’s wife filed for divorced on Friday

Damn. Generally, I think its a bad idea to get married as a young pro athlete. That said I can't imagine throwing it away for a mall trip with a 90's NBA player's ex lol. Stay unmarried Beasley and take notes from James Harden.
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Post#414 » by King Malta » Sun Dec 6, 2020 10:47 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:Like it or not, we didn’t sign Beasley to a 4/$60M contract with the intent on trying to trade him unless it was salary ballast in an immediate S&T deal which didn’t happen.

It’s clear that Rosas views him as an integral, long term piece of the puzzle here. That might be a tough pill for some folks here to swallow.

Personally, I hope he helps the team win but he won’t be easy to root for, especially if he struggles on the court. He might be a turd in life but he is a talented, young player and that buys you some extra grace in the world we live in today.


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I think Rosas would trade his own mother if the right move opened up.

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Post#415 » by SSUBluesman » Sun Dec 6, 2020 10:49 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
SSUBluesman wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:It's the Yips. Don't recall the last NBA player who had them.


Andris Biedrins.

Which is why I don't think it's the yips, and hope that I'm right given what happened to Beans.

If not the Yips how else can you explain a 70+% college FT shooter dropping to sub 50 in the NBA?


He's not a proficient shooter and struggled shooting the ball overall.
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Post#416 » by Jedzz » Mon Dec 7, 2020 2:20 am

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Jedzz wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:It's the Yips. Don't recall the last NBA player who had them.


It's not a clear case of the Yips. That would require first seeing the player with a significant ability to make shots over time suddenly and without understandable reasons completely lose any ability to shoot. Like watching Donovan McNabb reach numerous conference finals, but years later once wearing purple for Vikings he inexplicably threw passes into the grass over and over as if he was a 6 year old trying for the first time. That was the yips.

This is a player that had questionable consistency shooting in college, now in a tougher setting learning slowly to at least get back to what he was showing in college level. FT shooting is a unique aspect of basketball where no defender is actively trying to stop or pressure the shot, but all eyes are no longer on a team they are on that one person and there is time for your mind to creep in instead of reacting like in normal game play. It's a personal comfort thing in that setting he needs to get over. Some people never do. Which is why I hate drafting players that haven't yet proven they can do at least one thing at the highest levels during games yet. Games are where that pressure exists.


That wasn't the yips, McNabb was always erratic and throwing bounce passes to his receivers. I remember Philly fans warning Viking fans about it and enjoying the tears when they pretended it was something that happened once he donned the purple.



"As he did here for years, McNabb made the occasional stunning play ... quickly followed by a short-hop of an open receiver and then his old specialty, throwing the ball at a receiver's feet...

...But McNabb did something else, in addition to bouncing passes, that he did an awful lot of here for 11 years.

He won."


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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#417 » by KGdaBom » Mon Dec 7, 2020 5:05 am

SSUBluesman wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
SSUBluesman wrote:
Andris Biedrins.

Which is why I don't think it's the yips, and hope that I'm right given what happened to Beans.

If not the Yips how else can you explain a 70+% college FT shooter dropping to sub 50 in the NBA?


He's not a proficient shooter and struggled shooting the ball overall.

That's irrelevant to the FTs.
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Post#418 » by Dual » Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:40 am

Beasley is on a mission :) :
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Post#419 » by shangrila » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:34 am

Dual wrote:Beasley is on a mission :) :
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That was one of my few complaints about him last season. Improving his playmaking is the next step if he wants to become a truly dynamic scorer.

Hopefully he's asking Ricky for pointers on defence too.
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Post#420 » by Jedzz » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:50 pm

shrink wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:Beasley’s wife filed for divorced on Friday

One of things I am most grateful for in this forum is how so many of you guys keep me aware of the news. This is information that I probably wouldn’t hear. Sometimes I bring it over ot the Trade Board when it specifically involves another team, and their posters often have heard this news either, so I think our forum has some of the best informed posters on RealGM.

Sad news for the Beasley’s and their child, but I wanted to say thanks for posting,


News at 11, the MIN pc family court has ruled Beasley is not a good human. Divorce even!

Nevermind 50% of all marriages happening now are ending in divorce. Funny how that's not news worthy to anyone but divorce lawyers. We only hold our sport teams to higher standards.

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