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Post#421 » by eyeteeth » Fri Mar 4, 2011 8:15 pm

Randolph, of course, will bulk out as he gets into his mid-20's. He could very easily be the beast we are looking for. Valenciunas looks amazing in Euro league play, but doesn't have to play in the bruisingly physical NBA lane conditions.

I think either of these guys are picks for the future. The real wildcard factor with Barnes, I think, is where he will get drafted. It seems like he could go anywhere from 3 to 20.

If I had to pick one at the number two pick it would probably be Valenciunas, but I'm just some dude on a laptop. I would also ask Ronzone what he thinks first!

phonzadellika wrote:I don't think Beas gets easily rattled, I think that right now NBA teams have him figured out, which isn't hard to do when he basically does the same things on offense all the time. He's not a very creative player. Artest had his number at the beginning of the season when he said that Beas has got 1 move. So either teams have found a way to defeat him, or the ankle is still bothering him so he isn't as unbeatable as he was early in the year, although it's probably a combination of both. Either way, he's got growing pains right now.


I agree very much with this. I have confidence that he will grow through this. You can see how determined he is by the way he has adapted his game, focusing on passing and cleanup baskets. I think he will become the top scorer we hope for.
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Post#422 » by Krapinsky » Fri Mar 4, 2011 8:18 pm

eyeteeth wrote:Randolph, of course, will bulk out as he gets into his mid-20's. He could very easily be the beast we are looking for. Valenciunas looks amazing in Euro league play, but doesn't have to play in the bruisingly physical NBA lane conditions.

I think either of these guys are picks for the future. The real wildcard factor with Barnes, I think, is where he will get drafted. It seems like he could go anywhere from 3 to 20.

If I had to pick one at the number two pick it would probably be Valenciunas, but I'm just some dude on a laptop. I would also ask Ronzone what he thinks first!

phonzadellika wrote:I don't think Beas gets easily rattled, I think that right now NBA teams have him figured out, which isn't hard to do when he basically does the same things on offense all the time. He's not a very creative player. Artest had his number at the beginning of the season when he said that Beas has got 1 move. So either teams have found a way to defeat him, or the ankle is still bothering him so he isn't as unbeatable as he was early in the year, although it's probably a combination of both. Either way, he's got growing pains right now.


I agree very much with this. I have confidence that he will grow through this. You can see how determined he is by the way he has adapted his game, focusing on passing and cleanup baskets. I think he will become the top scorer we hope for.


This can be quite the opposite. In many games you can be much more physical down low in europe. The difference is that in the NBA the players are much bigger and stronger, and thus more difficult to defend.

I've seen Beasley unravel one too many times. One silly turnover is usually all it takes.
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Post#423 » by shangrila » Fri Mar 4, 2011 10:03 pm

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shangrila wrote:Wes has had arguably his most productive stretch of his season lately and it's all come from starting and playing big minutes at SG. With more experience he'll be fine there.


He's been playing mostly SG all year, I think we'd be better if we started playing our players at their natural positions.

Why? It's clear Wes has turned whatever corner he couldn't before and he's done it at SG.
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Post#424 » by shangrila » Fri Mar 4, 2011 10:26 pm

phonzadellika wrote:I don't think Beas gets easily rattled, I think that right now NBA teams have him figured out, which isn't hard to do when he basically does the same things on offense all the time. He's not a very creative player. Artest had his number at the beginning of the season when he said that Beas has got 1 move. So either teams have found a way to defeat him, or the ankle is still bothering him so he isn't as unbeatable as he was early in the year, although it's probably a combination of both. Either way, he's got growing pains right now.

While this is all true, I've also seen him hang his head, force shots early in the shot clock, etc when things aren't going his way. Not to mention the strange amount of FTs he misses.

I'm excited about Randolph, he seems determined to make it work here, I hope he finishes the season strong. I like him playing with Love but he's not the answer at C for the long haul. Darko is more of a face-up guy. Pek plays below the rim. Randolph is too skinny. There obviously aren't any Dwight Howards, Shaqs, or Ewings in this draft, but if we get a guy who is an intuitive defensive player and a natural back to the basket player it will be a huge upgrade over what we have now. It may not exist in this draft, but Valanciunas looks like he could be a high-level piece. I know it's not what you want from your #3 pick, but I don't know that this a BPA draft outside of Irving.

I think Randolph will get bigger, especially if he finishes this season strong.

I like Valanciunas too, but he's more of a "oh we're 4th, better pick up the scraps" then a "go get him!" kind of guy. I think in this offseason there will be a few chances to pick up a veteran centre too, with the likely hard cap and our financial flexibility.

I don't know, maybe Barnes is the answer...but so is Wes maybe. He's been hitting bigger and bigger shots lately. He looks like a different player than he did in the beginning of the year.

If we did draft Barnes, I believe that a Rubio/Johnson/Barnes/Randolph/Love lineup would be a terror on the break. Would probably be a 100% improvement defensively against most teams we face as well.

I think you can play Barnes and Wes together, so it's not an either/or situation. That could actually be a dangerous duo, depending on how Barnes' slashing game is.
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Post#425 » by Grits n Gravy » Fri Mar 4, 2011 10:49 pm

i watched jonas vs caja laboral in the euroleague this week and the dudes ridiculously impressive for an 18 year old, and moreso he's so impressive despite being a role player for them and doing NOTHING else on offense besides set picks and roll to the basket. he finished with 9 points, 11 rebounds and a block in 23 minutes. defensively, the guy is freaken impressive already..although he will not be ready for the nba for a few years imo as he needs to add a lot of weight and strength. his rebounding ability is plain ridiculous, he has the longest arms you'll ever see and uses it to his full advantage, tipping the ball to himself.

offensively as i mentioned, he is not used for anything outside of setting picks and rolling, although in this area he is already extremely impressive as he has great hands and catches everything and finishes ridiculously well through traffic and multiple defenders(he was 4-5 in game). he has such a great touch on his free throws and i know he does have a developing 15-17 foot jumper that will become very accurate, he had a few chance to shoot it but opted to hand of and screen.

i don't think he'll be ready to play in the nba for a few years but he's gonna be a truly excellent nba player when he adds some weight and strength
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Post#426 » by cpfsf » Sat Mar 5, 2011 6:10 am

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Post#427 » by C.lupus » Sat Mar 5, 2011 4:33 pm

I haven't seen Barnes play. How are his handles?
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Post#428 » by dunkonu21 » Sat Mar 5, 2011 5:40 pm

His handles are very good. He creates his own shot and can shoot the ball. He could be the #1 scorer on this team.
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Post#429 » by Saltine » Sat Mar 5, 2011 8:59 pm

Barnes doesn't have much of a shot.

FT% .734
FG% .406
3P% .321
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/pr ... erId=51385

Very Poor shooting from a supposedly #1 scorer...

Compared to Wes Johnson at Syracuse;
FT% .772
FG% .502
3P% .415
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/pr ... erId=31587

Jonny Flynn at Syracuse;
FT% .786
FG% .460
3P% .317
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/pr ... erId=36581

Wayne Ellington at North Carolina;
FT% .777
FG% .483
3P% .417
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/pr ... erId=31606

Barnes can't shoot. Shooting is a good thing from an SG. ;)
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Post#430 » by shangrila » Sat Mar 5, 2011 10:36 pm

I'd have Barnes at SF not SG, especially if Johnson and Beasley continue playing the way they've played lately. He's also improved from a horrible start so those statistics are a little skewed.

His handles aren't great but they're good enough now to make you think he can build on them and get better going forward. I don't think a lot of people realise that he was a power forward until a few years ago, so he's still adjusting and learning the skillset that comes with playing on the perimeter. He definitely has #1 potential though.
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Post#431 » by kiriux » Sun Mar 6, 2011 12:26 am

Tonight Valanciunas' LR(2) played against Utena(4) in Lithuanian League, Jonas had 22 (10/12 FG) points 13 boards 2 assists 3 TOs and 4 blocks 39 eff in 25 minutes of playtime.
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Post#432 » by phonzadellika » Sun Mar 6, 2011 3:07 am

Caught the last half of Duke v UNC...Barnes didn't have a great half, at least what I watched. Missed everything that he shot except for a really nice dunk he had off of one of his own missed shots, handle was loose, had a couple of drives that didn't go anywhere, but also had some nice passes and didn't turn the ball over. Seemed alright on D. He was just kind of there...other UNC players had more impact.
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Post#433 » by Klomp » Sun Mar 6, 2011 3:44 am

PJIII with 11 boards so far
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Post#434 » by Jazzfan12 » Sun Mar 6, 2011 6:07 am

Klomp wrote:PJIII with 11 boards so far



He gave up 25 offensive rebounds, it was honestly the worst rebounding performance I've seen in several years, those are incredibly empty numbers.
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Post#435 » by sisibilio » Sun Mar 6, 2011 5:10 pm

Valanciunas got 22 pts FG 10/12 FT 2/3 13 rb 2 as 4 bl in 25 minutes n his last game in lithuanian league.
If the coach gives him more protagonism in the offense as he started doing in the final minutes of the last Euroleague game i'm sure he can keep producing at a similar rate consistently, and i wouldn't be surprised if he even ends up being picked ahead of Irving.
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Post#436 » by [RCG] » Sun Mar 6, 2011 5:34 pm

I feel like this would be a dream scenario:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft

Get Irving at #2 and Valanciunas at #18 and get the Utah pick next year.
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Post#437 » by sisibilio » Sun Mar 6, 2011 8:16 pm

[RCG] wrote:I feel like this would be a dream scenario:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft

Get Irving at #2 and Valanciunas at #18 and get the Utah pick next year.

There's no way that Valanciunas slip out of the top 10, even if he decided to declare for the draft and made public that he's not coming to the NBA for 2 years, which isn't happening.
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Post#438 » by [RCG] » Sun Mar 6, 2011 8:54 pm

sisibilio wrote:
[RCG] wrote:I feel like this would be a dream scenario:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft

Get Irving at #2 and Valanciunas at #18 and get the Utah pick next year.

There's no way that Valanciunas slip out of the top 10, even if he decided to declare for the draft and made public that he's not coming to the NBA for 2 years, which isn't happening.


Note it is a mock draft, not created by me and i'm not saying it is realistic, just that it would be a dream scenario.
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Post#439 » by sisibilio » Sun Mar 6, 2011 9:35 pm

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sisibilio wrote:
[RCG] wrote:I feel like this would be a dream scenario:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft

Get Irving at #2 and Valanciunas at #18 and get the Utah pick next year.

There's no way that Valanciunas slip out of the top 10, even if he decided to declare for the draft and made public that he's not coming to the NBA for 2 years, which isn't happening.


Note it is a mock draft, not created by me and i'm not saying it is realistic, just that it would be a dream scenario.

Yea i know, didn't mean to diss you. Nbadraft is pretty crappy, specially regarding international prospects.
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