Updates on former Wolves

[Merc_Porto]

Utah Jazz are just horrible.

I love ricky as a player and person, but he needs to completely change his game because there isnt a team out there that will build a team around his strengths.

Kinda agree with you on some level.

What intrigues me most is the fact that Rubio in the last 4 seasons avg at least 8.5 ast per game... And he goes from at least 8.5 ast per game to under 5. That is just crazy.

PS: Just checked the box score of his game and he had 0 ast in the game in 22 minutes lol

[WindyCityBorn]

Just hope Patton turns out to be decent , if he does or even becomes a solid starter for the wolves , they win this trade easily.

Don't know about this. Bulls could have two all-stars for next decade in LaVine/Markkanen and Dunn could be a high level starter. Bulls jumpstart our rebuild and Minnesota gets to win now. I think both sides are happy.

[TaylorTag]

Just hope Patton turns out to be decent , if he does or even becomes a solid starter for the wolves , they win this trade easily.

Don't know about this. Bulls could have two all-stars for next decade in LaVine/Markkanen and Dunn could be a high level starter. Bulls jumpstart our rebuild and Minnesota gets to win now. I think both sides are happy.

EDIT: Dick post. my bad.

[TWolves82]

Definitely looking like a fairly even trade, given what each of the teams were trying to do - Bulls have some great young talent to build on (Dunn, Lavine and Markkanen) and Wolves build on an already talented group by adding Butler - I can't say in my years of basketball (although I've mainly just kept up to date with Wolves movements) I've ever seen a trade that benefited both teams so well

[TWolves82]

Just hope Patton turns out to be decent , if he does or even becomes a solid starter for the wolves , they win this trade easily.

Don't know about this. Bulls could have two all-stars for next decade in LaVine/Markkanen and Dunn could be a high level starter. Bulls jumpstart our rebuild and Minnesota gets to win now. I think both sides are happy.

lol. Bulls fans have gotten so cocky the past few days, jumping into our threads now to act like they won the trade.

Wolves are one of the best 6 teams in the league. All thanks to Butler. Thanks for a top 10 player.

P.S. The Wolves had 2 young superstars on the roster ahead of LaVine and Dunn. So it's not like we gave up our future to acquire Jimmy

Pretty sure the poster you quoted said the trade is pretty even... (see bolded quote) He didn't agree the Wolves won the trade, but also didn't say the Bulls did either #JustSayin

[TaylorTag]

Don't know about this. Bulls could have two all-stars for next decade in LaVine/Markkanen and Dunn could be a high level starter. Bulls jumpstart our rebuild and Minnesota gets to win now. I think both sides are happy.

lol. Bulls fans have gotten so cocky the past few days, jumping into our threads now to act like they won the trade.

Wolves are one of the best 6 teams in the league. All thanks to Butler. Thanks for a top 10 player.

P.S. The Wolves had 2 young superstars on the roster ahead of LaVine and Dunn. So it's not like we gave up our future to acquire Jimmy

Pretty sure the poster you quoted said the trade is pretty even... (see bolded quote) He didn't agree the Wolves won the trade, but also didn't say the Bulls did either #JustSayin

let's say Patton doesn't turn into a "solid starter" which is what this poster was responding to, isn't the insinuation that the Bulls would have won the trade? (the premise laid out by Neeva was that the Wolves will have won the trade if Patton turns into a solid starter.) Or is WindyCityBorn just ignoring Patton from the calculation?

Anyways, I was mostly speaking about Bulls fans in general. If you haven't noticed, they have been jumping into our threads more the past couple of days. I don't read their forum, so maybe they get traffic from Wolves fans over there and this is normal.

P.S., it's also annoying that Wolves fans for the past 2 years have been saying LaVine is legit, that he had star potential. Most people on RealGM assumed we were being homers, but now that LaVine is wearing a Bulls jersey, all of sudden he is a bona fide star. no crap, we have been saying that the whole time.

[Klomp]

What intrigues me most is the fact that Rubio in the last 4 seasons avg at least 8.5 ast per game... And he goes from at least 8.5 ast per game to under 5. That is just crazy.

PS: Just checked the box score of his game and he had 0 ast in the game in 22 minutes lol

This is the absolutely crazy thing to me about his season. I know a chunk of it has to do with system, but he always had an ability to rack up easy assists.

He has only 3 games with 10 assists this season. Those were all within the first 5 games of the year.

[Klomp]

lol. Bulls fans have gotten so cocky the past few days, jumping into our threads now to act like they won the trade.

This is not necessary.

I don't read their forum, so maybe they get traffic from Wolves fans over there and this is normal.

They do. At minimum, I pop over there almost daily to join in about LaVine's return or in their Around the League thread to chat about our team. There's a split over there, but many of them enjoy watching us play.

[Worm Guts]

lol. Bulls fans have gotten so cocky the past few days, jumping into our threads now to act like they won the trade.

Wolves are one of the best 6 teams in the league. All thanks to Butler. Thanks for a top 10 player.

P.S. The Wolves had 2 young superstars on the roster ahead of LaVine and Dunn. So it's not like we gave up our future to acquire Jimmy

Pretty sure the poster you quoted said the trade is pretty even... (see bolded quote) He didn't agree the Wolves won the trade, but also didn't say the Bulls did either #JustSayin

let's say Patton doesn't turn into a "solid starter" which is what this poster was responding to, isn't the insinuation that the Bulls would have won the trade? (the premise laid out by Neeva was that the Wolves will have won the trade if Patton turns into a solid starter.) Or is WindyCityBorn just ignoring Patton from the calculation?

Anyways, I was mostly speaking about Bulls fans in general. If you haven't noticed, they have been jumping into our threads more the past couple of days. I don't read their forum, so maybe they get traffic from Wolves fans over there and this is normal.

P.S., it's also annoying that Wolves fans for the past 2 years have been saying LaVine is legit, that he had star potential. Most people on RealGM assumed we were being homers, but now that LaVine is wearing a Bulls jersey, all of sudden he is a bona fide star. no crap, we have been saying that the whole time.

Let Bulls fans be happy about their end of the trade, that doesn’t change that the Wolves fans should be happy on our end.

[TaylorTag]

lol. Bulls fans have gotten so cocky the past few days, jumping into our threads now to act like they won the trade.

This is not necessary.

I don't read their forum, so maybe they get traffic from Wolves fans over there and this is normal.

They do. At minimum, I pop over there almost daily to join in about LaVine's return or in their Around the League thread to chat about our team. There's a split over there, but many of them enjoy watching us play.

I updated my post to admit my rudeness.

don't want to discourage discussion.

and again, don't want to denigrate the players they received in the trade. I like LaVine and it seems like Markkanen is legit.

Just have 2 bickering points with the whole "who won the trade" debate: (1) Jimmy Butler is a top 10-15 talent and none of the three players we gave up have proven to be worth that value and (2) everyone is projecting out the three young Bulls players as all-stars, but Patton is considered nothing, apparently.

My overall problem with this debate is that we are looking at these trades in a vacuum. Even if we except the premise that the Bulls got 3 young, solid starters and perhaps even an all-star or 2 out of the trade, it's not like Bulls have set themselves up to be better than the Wolves going forward. Sure, the Bulls might appeal to some big-name free agents next offseason, but unless they get LeBron James, I don't see how they will be better off than the Wolves.

So to me the Wolves "won" the trade. Bulls fans can counter and say that Butler was done in Chicago, couldn't work with Hoiberg, and it was time for both parties to part ways. But that is not the Wolves fault, so not sure how the Bulls starting with a handicap means they look like the better franchise in the end.

[Klomp]

Just have 2 bickering points with the whole "who won the trade" debate:

That's where you're off. It's not a debate.

Both teams can be happy and feel like they 'won the trade' from their perspective. That's what's happening here. I haven't seen any posts indicating that Minnesota lost the trade.

[TaylorTag]

Just have 2 bickering points with the whole "who won the trade" debate:

That's where you're off. It's not a debate.

Both teams can be happy and feel like they 'won the trade' from their perspective. That's what's happening here. I haven't seen any posts indicating that Minnesota lost the trade.

well it is a debate. Someone said if Patton turns into a solid starter, the Wolves will have won the trade. Then another poster came in and disagreed. I get that my post was out of line, but it's not like there is no debate here. people are debating.

I also understand that, big picture, this debate doesn't matter. Wolves got Butler and a developmental player in Patton, while Bulls got three players they can build around. Both teams are happy.

But this is a professional sports league and the goal is to get maximum value in player acquisitions. You can say this is a unique situation where it is a true wash, but this is quantifiable to a certain extent. The Wolves got a top ten player without sacrificing their two top prospects/stars in Towns and Wiggins.

Boston could have swooped in with a different offer for Butler, or the Bulls could have waited with Butler and somehow gotten Kyrie from the Cavaliers and perhaps been better off than they are now.

Regardless, the Wolves would make this trade 100 out of 100 times. Don't think that's the case for the Bulls.

Again, I am rooting for LaVine and Dunn and sorry for being hostile earlier.

[Klomp]

well it is a debate. Someone said if Patton turns into a solid starter, the Wolves will have won the trade. Then another poster came in and disagreed. I get that my post was out of line, but it's not like there is no debate here. people are debating.

Read the post of the person who 'disagreed' again: Bulls jumpstart our rebuild and Minnesota gets to win now. I think both sides are happy.

[walk with me]

What intrigues me most is the fact that Rubio in the last 4 seasons avg at least 8.5 ast per game... And he goes from at least 8.5 ast per game to under 5. That is just crazy.

PS: Just checked the box score of his game and he had 0 ast in the game in 22 minutes lol

This is the absolutely crazy thing to me about his season. I know a chunk of it has to do with system, but he always had an ability to rack up easy assists.

He has only 3 games with 10 assists this season. Those were all within the first 5 games of the year.

He’s always played next to someone who could score big and not near his position

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Wiggins Kat and Zach

Now that that has been stripped away from him he doesn’t provide much. Also why the Bulls are playing good. Dunn can put pressure on your defense by going down hill towards the rim cause he can finish at the rim or dunk on you and in turn collapse the defense. To beat the jazz all you have to do is make Rubio shoot and don’t help. He won’t hurt you at the rim or anywhere else on the floor. It is what it is

[walk with me]

The bulls trade is what it is.win win for both parties...

If we keep everyone (including Ricky) Dunn doesn’t flourish because he has to feed Zach Wiggins and Kat and also come off the bench... possibly behind Tyus even.

Markennen doesn’t start because he would be behind gorgui or kat. without taj and jimmy, Kat is still playing fish out of water defense. Lauri would probably play 12-15 minutes a game and look horrible defensively but good on offense.

Patton will likely be serviceable on some level because he’s a legit 7 footer (CENTER) who can hit free throws and Mid range jumpers. As long as he adapts to the speed and physicality he’ll be something.

Keeping everything would have never worked. Keeping Dunn (no Teague/Rubio) may have not even worked. Do you trust a 22/23 yo Kris Dunn to get us into 3rd place in the west? I can’t think of a 2nd year Pg to make that type of impact since dame Lillard maybe.


Everything is great for both parties right now but 3 years down the line both parties will have the same questions, what happens with jimmy and what happens to lauri/dunn (developmental wise) no doubt in my mind that Zach atleast is a 3-5 time all star

[TwolvesFanRome]

Who cares about "who won the trade"...

I enjoy my J Buckets and that s enough for me..

[Mattya]

Who cares if the other fans are happy or bragging about what they have? If you aren’t completely psyched for Jimmy Butler and this team tied for third with the Spurs then there is something wrong with your fanhood.

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Lol damn

[Mattya]

Yeeesh those Rubio numbers are turrible.