Andrew Wiggins and the wolves future

[Alwaysrightguy]

I know that I'm one of the only ones but I'm excited for Wiggins this season. I think he is going to do great things this year under a new coach, a new pobo and a new system. I really think that people are giving up on him too early

I gave up on him 3 years ago. I should be exec of the year. Just imagine
KAT
Defensive PF
Jimmy
Culver/Okogie
Brodie or CP3

Chance to chase a ship in a 2 year span but no. Just waste away KAT's prime.

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[minimus]

Interesting tidbit. AW and1 stats:

AW
15-16 51 and1s top6
16-17 53 and1s top10
17-18 31 and1s top31 !!!
18-19 28 and1s top42 !!!

KAT has been more consistent
15-16 43 and1s top10
16-17 56 and1s top6
17-18 49 and1s top9
18-19 53 and1s top8

I hope Ryan will help AW to regain aggressiveness. Having two top NBA players in and1, will certainly help us.

[Jedzz]

Shying away from traffic, avoiding fully finishing at the rim, minimal slashing or movement at all without ball, choosing instead to take short bunnies and movement to create separation for short difficult shots. Every year it got worse with Wigs. Absolutely need him slashing and someone feeding him instead of having him stand around at the 3 or otherwise attempt to drive in slowly from beyond the 3pt line as he has been.

If he gets 35+ minutes a game again...

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[packforfreedom]

he's also afraid of missing free throws.

[alabamawolf]

I know that I'm one of the only ones but I'm excited for Wiggins this season. I think he is going to do great things this year under a new coach, a new pobo and a new system. I really think that people are giving up on him too early

I gave up on him 3 years ago. I should be exec of the year. Just imagine
KAT
Defensive PF
Jimmy
Culver/Okogie
Brodie or CP3

Chance to chase a ship in a 2 year span but no. Just waste away KAT's prime.

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Butler was going to leave regardless and if they kept Butler this past year the Wolves wouldn’t have been able to acquire Culver

[Crazy-Canuck]

Interesting tibid. AW and1 stats:

AW
15-16 51 and1s top6
16-17 53 and1s top10
17-18 31 and1s top31 !!!
18-19 28 and1s top42 !!!

KAT has been more consistent
15-16 43 and1s top10
16-17 56 and1s top6
17-18 49 and1s top9
18-19 53 and1s top8

I hope Ryan will help AW to regain aggressiveness. Having two top NBA players in and1, will certainly help us.

So is it andrew regressing or did something happen after the 16-17 season. Hmm....

[minimus]

Interesting tibid. AW and1 stats:

AW
15-16 51 and1s top6
16-17 53 and1s top10
17-18 31 and1s top31 !!!
18-19 28 and1s top42 !!!

KAT has been more consistent
15-16 43 and1s top10
16-17 56 and1s top6
17-18 49 and1s top9
18-19 53 and1s top8

I hope Ryan will help AW to regain aggressiveness. Having two top NBA players in and1, will certainly help us.

So is it andrew regressing or did something happen after the 16-17 season. Hmm....

Something definetely happened!

[KGdaBom]

Interesting tibid. AW and1 stats:

AW
15-16 51 and1s top6
16-17 53 and1s top10
17-18 31 and1s top31 !!!
18-19 28 and1s top42 !!!

KAT has been more consistent
15-16 43 and1s top10
16-17 56 and1s top6
17-18 49 and1s top9
18-19 53 and1s top8

I hope Ryan will help AW to regain aggressiveness. Having two top NBA players in and1, will certainly help us.

So is it andrew regressing or did something happen after the 16-17 season. Hmm....

Something definetely happened!

Butler came and was MUCH better than the inefficient Wiggins.

[wolves_89]

Here's a take on Wiggins with an optimistic view.

First I want to note that if there was one player on the Wolves who was hurt by hiring Thibs it was Andrew. I don't believe he responds well to yelling or Thibs in general, which caused a lack of focus/motivation. Adding Butler to the mix only made the situation worse. Not long into Butler's stint in Minnesota I suspect Wiggins had largely checked out. The second main problem was Thibs system. The offensive sets tended to clog up the lane making driving to the bucket (Wiggins primary strength) more difficult. The offense also put Andrew in the position to take long 2s frequently, which unfortunately he did. On defense, Thibs wanted his wings to go over picks which is not something Wiggins is good at and playing big minutes with poor defenders like Teague, Rose, and Saric also didn't help matters.

Now to the optimistic assessment of Wiggins. If Saunders returns the Wolves to an offensive system that opens up the lane I can see Wiggins getting back to having over 30% of his shots at the rim (like his first two seasons). Just coupling more drives with the 34-36% 3pt shooting he's demonstrated and his TS% should be back to around .540-.550 even if he kept shooting mid-range shots at a high rate. If he dropped his rate of shots between 10ft and the 3pt line by 10%, it could raise his TS% to the .560-.570 range.
Looking a ORPM, just returning to more drives with his current 3pt% should get Andrew back to around 1.50. Reducing the number of long 2s would only raise the ORPM, say to something in the 2.00 range. So basically, returning to the player Wiggins was before Thibs coupled with his current 3pt% and a bit better shot selection could leave Wiggins as a fairly good offensive player.

On the defensive side of the ball Wiggins has shown small steps towards improvement. With the Saric and Rose minutes replaced with better defenders and the Wolves using a more modern switching approach I could see Wiggins DRPM improving to something in the range of -0.75 (from -1.55 last season). Not good, but no terrible either.

In total, an offensive ORPM around 2.00 and defensive DRPM of -0.75 would result in an RPM of 1.25 which would make Wiggins something like the 25th best wing (SG and SF combined). He'd be a positive contributor with similar RPM to the Otto Porter or JJ Redick range of player last season.

[minimus]

So is it andrew regressing or did something happen after the 16-17 season. Hmm....

Something definetely happened!

Butler came and was MUCH better than the inefficient Wiggins.

Not really. In 16-17 Butler and Wiggins had 53 and1 each

[Jedzz]

Interesting tibid. AW and1 stats:

AW
15-16 51 and1s top6
16-17 53 and1s top10
17-18 31 and1s top31 !!!
18-19 28 and1s top42 !!!

KAT has been more consistent
15-16 43 and1s top10
16-17 56 and1s top6
17-18 49 and1s top9
18-19 53 and1s top8

I hope Ryan will help AW to regain aggressiveness. Having two top NBA players in and1, will certainly help us.

So is it andrew regressing or did something happen after the 16-17 season. Hmm....

Something definetely happened!

Something sure did.

[Nick K]

Shying away from traffic, avoiding fully finishing at the rim, minimal slashing or movement at all without ball, choosing instead to take short bunnies and movement to create separation for short difficult shots. Every year it got worse with Wigs. Absolutely need him slashing and someone feeding him instead of having him stand around at the 3 or otherwise attempt to drive in slowly from beyond the 3pt line as he has been.

If he gets 35+ minutes a game again...

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Agreed, but I don't see it happening. I finally gave up on Wigs last Dec. which means he's headed for "most improved player".

Bear in mind I was no fan of Wigs coming out of the draft but group think made me hopeful.

I have a funny feeling Wigs shoots the 3 or slashes to the basket. That's it. Plus I'm looking for more effort on defense. I think they will drill that into him. The guy has the tools he just has to want to do it.

I'm ok with waiting till the trade deadline and make a decision on him then. I have some hope the new regime gets through to him.

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[Crazy-Canuck]

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I think this is his first personal coach since thibs forbid hanlen from working with wiggs.

Hes has been getting a lot of work in with chris johnson this offseason.

Whether that pays off is anyone's guess.

[Jedzz]

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If that's even him, yes please. Do that for eight hours a day and knock some teams out the first week of the season when they get a load of that.

Let the fro live on.

[KGdaBom]

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Something definetely happened!

Butler came and was MUCH better than the inefficient Wiggins.

Not really. In 16-17 Butler and Wiggins had 53 and1 each

If you want to act like Wiggins was as good as Butler and lose all credibility be my guest.

[Note30]

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Butler came and was MUCH better than the inefficient Wiggins.

Not really. In 16-17 Butler and Wiggins had 53 and1 each

If you want to act like Wiggins was as good as Butler and lose all credibility be my guest.

That being said I'd much rather have our current roster vs. Our roster minus Culver and Wiggins and plus brodie and jimmy

[King Ken]

Seems like Rubio was a substantial lost for Wiggins just going over the old highlights. Wiggins never was really creating his offense like that. He was mainly doing the Clyde Drexler, running the court, backdoor cuts, just basically operating in space. It seems with Teague or even Rose, it took away from Wiggins game as he can't kill his own food. He needs it processed. Just my opinion. I haven't really watched Minny like that.

[Klomp]

Seems like Rubio was a substantial lost for Wiggins just going over the old highlights. Wiggins never was really creating his offense like that. He was mainly doing the Clyde Drexler, running the court, backdoor cuts, just basically operating in space. It seems with Teague or even Rose, it took away from Wiggins game as he can't kill his own food. He needs it processed. Just my opinion. I haven't really watched Minny like that.

That was a system change thing more than a personnel thing imo. He was doing those things again at the end of last season quite a lot.

[Piecake]

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I think this is his first personal coach since thibs forbid hanlen from working with wiggs.

Hes has been getting a lot of work in with chris johnson this offseason.

Whether that pays off is anyone's guess.

Well, I guess him dunking it is a positive instead of doing those stupid finger rolls