Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

[Neeva]

What about Gabe Vincent ? He will be UFA..

Meh, he will want to be paid like a starting pg.

[LibertyPrime]

Would you guys do a trade of Poole + Green + Kuminga + Looney + 2023 1st Round Pick + Future 1st Round Pick for Rudy Gobert + Kyle Anderson + Mike Conley?

Poole has a massive, long contract, and Kuminga & Looney are just kinda there. Plus, the moment this franchise trades for Green I stop being a Wolves fan. And the picks from GS aren't likely to be great enough to make up the difference. No thanks.

I can see how there's appeal to putting Gobert in with a team featuring a number of great pure shooters, and so GS makes a good trade destination, but the FO sunk a lot into Rudy and they're going to want a pretty good package back. More, and better, picks at the very least. Not to mention Mike's the best PG we've had for a while, and we have options with him sooner than we would with Poole.

[TimberKat]

Would you guys do a trade of Poole + Green + Kuminga + Looney + 2023 1st Round Pick + Future 1st Round Pick for Rudy Gobert + Kyle Anderson + Mike Conley?

Ant / NAW
Poole / #19
McDaniels /Prince
Green / Kuminga
KAT/Reid /Looney

You tell me.

It is an interesting one. Is there a way to do it without including Conley. Both Ant and Poole aren't PG. Assuming Green is in good behavior and wants to be here. I would do it if we solve the PG concern. The core of the trade in my opinion is really Gobert+SlowMo for Green+Poole+2 future 1st. I don't think GSW care much for Conley. Yes, reasonable value.

[Baseline81]

Would you guys do a trade of Poole + Green + Kuminga + Looney + 2023 1st Round Pick + Future 1st Round Pick for Rudy Gobert + Kyle Anderson + Mike Conley?

I understand why Poole would have to be involved, but I could not stomach his 4-year contract. Plus, I don't think those picks would amount to much.

I would rather the team run it back than Connelly agree to a deal such as this.

[Colbinii]

Would you guys do a trade of Poole + Green + Kuminga + Looney + 2023 1st Round Pick + Future 1st Round Pick for Rudy Gobert + Kyle Anderson + Mike Conley?

1) This trade isn't CBA Legal
2) Its horrific for Minnesota

[Krapinsky]

For those firmly planted in the trade Kat camp like me, here is an idea:

Kat for Simons, Nurkic, Portland #5.
Why? PDX wants to win now with Dame and Dame-Grant-Towns gives them a big 3. Wolves get depth in Nurkic and Simons and then can pluck someone in the draft to add to their young core of Ant-Jaden-Naz.

[Colbinii]

For those firmly planted in the trade Kat camp like me, here is an idea:

Kat for Simons, Nurkic, Portland #5.
Why? PDX wants to win now with Dame and Dame-Grant-Towns gives them a big 3. Wolves get depth in Nurkic and Simons and then can pluck someone in the draft to add to their young core of Ant-Jaden-Naz.

I would re-route Nurkic for a back-up PG.

[shrink]

For those firmly planted in the trade Kat camp like me, here is an idea:

Kat for Simons, Nurkic, Portland #5.
Why? PDX wants to win now with Dame and Dame-Grant-Towns gives them a big 3. Wolves get depth in Nurkic and Simons and then can pluck someone in the draft to add to their young core of Ant-Jaden-Naz.

I would re-route Nurkic for a back-up PG.

I like that you prefaced this with “for those firmly planted in the trade KAT camp.” I’m not there, but it’s nice to start out identifying people are coming at this from different places.

KAT-to-POR is interesting. It may be very difficult for them to construct a playoff contender with two supermax deals on the books, but getting the stars is step one for contention. Like he does for Ant, KAT compliments Lillard’s shooting inside and out, by stretching defenses whether HE is shooting inside or out. Also like MIN, players of this caliber aren’t flocking to POR in free agency, plus Towns has been professional even in a smaller city. Towns also has the advantage of being talented, but no apparent desire to be the #1.

It’s hard for me to put a fair trade value on KAT, because players of his caliber are rarely traded to random destinations that they didn’t request themselves. To me this seems light, but who knows? I don’t really like the fit, because while Simmons and to a lesser degree Nurkic are good players, neither would even start in Minnesota. I also believe that Connolly has amply demonstrated he wants to be win-now, which helps Ant’s development as well as the team and fans. If that’s the case, if a large part of the value in any Towns trade is a pick (s), then it’s not the direction the team wants to go. I will say though that a high lottery pick has multiple years of team control, which is valuable to MIN.

Personally, I only see a few trade targets out there in a Towns trade. Bridges in BRK, Jaylen Brown in BOS, or something in TOR with Siakim and/or OG. These players maintain some star power that is so hard for MIN to acquire. However, none of them should be considered without hearing that the player wants to come here, and sign a multi-year deal.

Maybe that POR package could go to one of these three teams in a three way. I think it’s a better fit elsewhere

[TwolvesFanRome]

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[Klomp]

1. The MLE can now be used as a TPE. This is a big deal for MIN, who isn’t an attractive destination to free agents, so we might be able to do better using it in trades. The non-taxpayer MLE next year will be $12.2 mil.

I also have been meaning to mention to those that don’t know that CBA rules have teams determine if they are over the lux at the END of the season. I agree that MIN doesn’t want to be over the lux next year and start the repeater tax for a team that’s about to get very expensive. However, they could make a move that puts them a little over the lux this summer, and plan to make further moves during the season to slip back under.

I had seen this mentioned, but then couldn't find it later when I wanted to bring it up here. Thanks!

This whole post might also be helpful to put in the capology thread (I know I need to update the OP...)

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[shrink]

1. The MLE can now be used as a TPE. This is a big deal for MIN, who isn’t an attractive destination to free agents, so we might be able to do better using it in trades. The non-taxpayer MLE next year will be $12.2 mil.

I also have been meaning to mention to those that don’t know that CBA rules have teams determine if they are over the lux at the END of the season. I agree that MIN doesn’t want to be over the lux next year and start the repeater tax for a team that’s about to get very expensive. However, they could make a move that puts them a little over the lux this summer, and plan to make further moves during the season to slip back under.

I had seen this mentioned, but then couldn't find it later when I wanted to bring it up here. Thanks!

This whole post might also be helpful to put in the capology thread (I know I need to update the OP...)

I asked on the trade board, and this rule change doesn’t occur until the summer of 2024. I had hoped that it would happen immediately, and create 29 other teams that could trade for Taurean Prince, if we put him up for auction.

[TwolvesFanRome]

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[Baseline81]

I like that you prefaced this with “for those firmly planted in the trade KAT camp.” I’m not there, but it’s nice to start out identifying people are coming at this from different places.

KAT-to-POR is interesting. It may be very difficult for them to construct a playoff contender with two supermax deals on the books, but getting the stars is step one for contention. Like he does for Ant, KAT compliments Lillard’s shooting inside and out, by stretching defenses whether HE is shooting inside or out. Also like MIN, players of this caliber aren’t flocking to POR in free agency, plus Towns has been professional even in a smaller city. Towns also has the advantage of being talented, but no apparent desire to be the #1.

It’s hard for me to put a fair trade value on KAT, because players of his caliber are rarely traded to random destinations that they didn’t request themselves. To me this seems light, but who knows? I don’t really like the fit, because while Simmons and to a lesser degree Nurkic are good players, neither would even start in Minnesota. I also believe that Connolly has amply demonstrated he wants to be win-now, which helps Ant’s development as well as the team and fans. If that’s the case, if a large part of the value in any Towns trade is a pick (s), then it’s not the direction the team wants to go. I will say though that a high lottery pick has multiple years of team control, which is valuable to MIN.

Personally, I only see a few trade targets out there in a Towns trade. Bridges in BRK, Jaylen Brown in BOS, or something in TOR with Siakim and/or OG. These players maintain some star power that is so hard for MIN to acquire. However, none of them should be considered without hearing that the player wants to come here, and sign a multi-year deal.

Maybe that POR package could go to one of these three teams in a three way. I think it’s a better fit elsewhere

Though I like both players, and would deal Towns for either, where do they play? With Bridges, a SG, does Edwards become the de facto PG? McDaniels is better utilized at SF, which is where Brown plays.

If Towns is moved, wouldn't the team target a PG or PF?

[Krapinsky]

I like that you prefaced this with “for those firmly planted in the trade KAT camp.” I’m not there, but it’s nice to start out identifying people are coming at this from different places.

KAT-to-POR is interesting. It may be very difficult for them to construct a playoff contender with two supermax deals on the books, but getting the stars is step one for contention. Like he does for Ant, KAT compliments Lillard’s shooting inside and out, by stretching defenses whether HE is shooting inside or out. Also like MIN, players of this caliber aren’t flocking to POR in free agency, plus Towns has been professional even in a smaller city. Towns also has the advantage of being talented, but no apparent desire to be the #1.

It’s hard for me to put a fair trade value on KAT, because players of his caliber are rarely traded to random destinations that they didn’t request themselves. To me this seems light, but who knows? I don’t really like the fit, because while Simmons and to a lesser degree Nurkic are good players, neither would even start in Minnesota. I also believe that Connolly has amply demonstrated he wants to be win-now, which helps Ant’s development as well as the team and fans. If that’s the case, if a large part of the value in any Towns trade is a pick (s), then it’s not the direction the team wants to go. I will say though that a high lottery pick has multiple years of team control, which is valuable to MIN.

Personally, I only see a few trade targets out there in a Towns trade. Bridges in BRK, Jaylen Brown in BOS, or something in TOR with Siakim and/or OG. These players maintain some star power that is so hard for MIN to acquire. However, none of them should be considered without hearing that the player wants to come here, and sign a multi-year deal.

Maybe that POR package could go to one of these three teams in a three way. I think it’s a better fit elsewhere

Though I like both players, and would deal Towns for either, where do they play? With Bridges, a SG, does Edwards become the de facto PG? McDaniels is better utilized at SF, which is where Brown plays.

If Towns is moved, wouldn't the team target a PG or PF?

Bridges and Browns are 'swing' players and can play the wing position with Edwards. McDaniels becomes a little more the odd man out or moves to PF. Maybe we get creative with a three wing lineup.

Bridges or Brown would be a tremendous return. They might not have 'super star' ceilings but they don't really have any flaws that hurt you. I'd gladly take either of them and figure the rest our later but i think that is mighty wishful thinking.

Unfortunately, I don't see KAT being able to return either of those guys when you consider his contract and the flaws to his game.

[Baseline81]

Bridges and Browns are 'swing' players and can play the wing position with Edwards. McDaniels becomes a little more the odd man out or moves to PF. Maybe we get creative with a three wing lineup.

Bridges or Brown would be a tremendous return. They might not have 'super star' ceilings but they don't really have any flaws that hurt you. I'd gladly take either of them and figure the rest our later but i think that is mighty wishful thinking.

Unfortunately, I don't see KAT being able to return either of those guys when you consider his contract and the flaws to his game.

I could possibly see Brown, assuming the Celtics do not win it all. He's a FA after next season. If Boston feels the team has gone as far as it can, I'm sure it would want something in return for him.

But again, McDaniels plays much better as a SF. I'm not sure the Wolves should bring in a player on, or about to receive, a max contract that hinders him. No doubt Brown would better the team's defense.

[Neeva]

For those firmly planted in the trade Kat camp like me, here is an idea:

Kat for Simons, Nurkic, Portland #5.
Why? PDX wants to win now with Dame and Dame-Grant-Towns gives them a big 3. Wolves get depth in Nurkic and Simons and then can pluck someone in the draft to add to their young core of Ant-Jaden-Naz.

Simons is dlo-like with a bad contract. I’d only do that if the pick is 2, and wolves get a few future picks as well.

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[TimberKat]

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[Baseline81]

Apparently, both Britt and Dane were pretty negative on the Wolves in this episode.

Britt Robson On Recapping The Wolves Season:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5z9bhHYVsnvciENYsYgeaJ?si=HMP3GNp5SK-3jDHYoANnvQ&nd=1

Taken from reddit:

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Really great pod, highly recommend listening to the full thing. General summary:

- They don’t want people walking away from the season thinking progress was being made

- Team not as talented as we thought when we made the trade

- Gobert needs to practice with KAT and team to get on the same page. Can’t do euro basket

- Finch knows two way bball players are trending, the way the nba is going, need offense and defense. But instead we have two tent pole players who are one sided. Whole thing hinges on them working together but the way things are trending need only one of them on the court at the time

- Too many excuses being made in the post season pressers with Connolly, Finch, Gobert were bad and disingenuous seeming. Feels like they are convincing themselves it will work and will eventually move on. Justifications are scary as they don’t seem to fully believe in it

- Jaden has to stay out of foul trouble

- KAT is rough - net negative on/off, mentally rattled, wants to claim top dog status without actually being that good when it counts,

- When you go all in like this, you can’t pussyfoot around, you HAVE to be a contender, we are never greater than the sum of our parts

- With shifting focus to “second window” ie Ant and Jaden, rather than KAT/Gobert window, need maturity from both bigs. Need them to find roles like Conley does - go with the flow of the game

- Rudy’s defense restricts KATs offense to such an intense degree. Needs to improve next year. KAT is no longer a walking top ten offense.

- Finch has so tied his rep to the two big lineup - funny point about KAT and Willy Cauley Stein

- Gobert and KAT need to emphasize where they are elite, minimize where they are not, let’s not pretend they are two way players, if Ant continues to blossom, Jaden blossoms, and Naz does well, yea okay you could get to the conference finals.

- If you could get back 80% of the trade right now just in terms of picks, not even players, they’d give Gobert back given his restrictions, contract, etc.

- Funny ass Britt rant about Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore thinking they are smarter than everyone (56ish min)

That’s as far as I got tonight lol