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Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#421 » by Danimals » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:35 pm

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As opposed to losing him for nothing or overpaying?

Here is the part no one is saying, if Ant truly is special, McDaniels is the defensive presence people want to believe, and Finch is a great coach....then getting pieces that fit without being "stars" should not change success or trajectory (assuming Tim C finds the right players and Finch can actually mold and shape offense and defense.) Example, a 3&D pf like Jabari Smith Jr should fit and function better than Naz or Randle and at a smaller price.



Naz over Smith Jr. for me. Compare per36 stars. Naz has higher usage, scores more on higher efficiency, more threes on higher percentage, equal rebounds. Smith is a better defender, but we don’t need a lower usage defensive specialist between Rudy and Jaden. Now give me Smith Jr on our bench…


Well everything you said is true, you also have to consider teams that they play on and supporting cast. Also, look at Smith Jr's game from college and how it's translated so far and how much further it could go. Like I said, sometimes you have to put your faith in the superstar and the coach to bring out the best in others especially at a far lesser price.



Smith is basically a lesser version of the player he was projected to be. I will give you that he will be cheaper than Naz next year, but I think he will be paid more for n his next contact. Again, I like Smith but if he’s our starting 4, we need a PG who averages 20.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#422 » by BlacJacMac » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:38 pm

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cmoss84 wrote:Is there a discount on Garland now that he had surgery and will miss 4-5 months? Would you trade Randle for Garland?

From ESPN...
"Garland was one of two players to average 20 points, 5 assists and 40% shooting on 3-pointers this season, along with Denver Nuggets' star Nikola Jokic. He made 212 3-pointers this season, third most in team history."


Don't want Garland at all.

Why not? Do we have better options? I also don't think Randle is what Cavs are looking for. Actually, don't see Cavs really trade Garland this year besides Cap reasons.


He's hurt a lot, he doesn't play defense at all (at least Dillingham puts in EFFORT on that end) and his numbers crater in the postseason.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#423 » by Battletrigger » Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:01 pm

Well, since he is out for four or five months with a huge toe injury I suppose that is out of the list.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#424 » by moss_is_1 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:29 pm

How far off would Randle, Ddv, Conley and #31 be for KD? Works almost perfectly money wise.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#425 » by Norseman79 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:36 pm

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Naz over Smith Jr. for me. Compare per36 stars. Naz has higher usage, scores more on higher efficiency, more threes on higher percentage, equal rebounds. Smith is a better defender, but we don’t need a lower usage defensive specialist between Rudy and Jaden. Now give me Smith Jr on our bench…


Well everything you said is true, you also have to consider teams that they play on and supporting cast. Also, look at Smith Jr's game from college and how it's translated so far and how much further it could go. Like I said, sometimes you have to put your faith in the superstar and the coach to bring out the best in others especially at a far lesser price.



Smith is basically a lesser version of the player he was projected to be. I will give you that he will be cheaper than Naz next year, but I think he will be paid more for n his next contact. Again, I like Smith but if he’s our starting 4, we need a PG who averages 20.


Out of sheer curiosity, I wouldn't trade for Smith without a new contract in place. But more than that, what exactly do you think the +/- difference per game would be between him and Naz? Because realistically, that's what you would be asking your other starters to make up.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#426 » by TimberKat » Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:38 pm

Connelly is either going to do nothing or something that will shock half the people here :lol:

I won't mind a Naz + DET #1 for Cam Johnson+ ??? do a sign and trade of NAW for a backup center, then resign Randle. Alternatively, if NOP wants to rebuild, maybe Naz+DET #1 for Murray.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#427 » by Klomp » Mon Jun 9, 2025 10:24 pm

Denver traded for Aaron Gordon to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Indiana traded for Pascal Siakam to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Oklahoma City traded for Alex Caruso to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.

This is the type of move that I think we need to figure out. I highly doubt it's Kevin Durant. But maybe his trade value has fallen to a point to where it could be? But then, can we win that bidding war?!

I hate to say it, but one of the few guys who I keep coming back to who could fit this category is Dillon Brooks. I think Bobby Portis could be an interesting target. Josh Hart is another. I think these three all represent something that this team seems to lack. A little bit of that Patrick Beverley/Jarred Vanderbilt edge, if you will.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#428 » by jpatrick » Mon Jun 9, 2025 10:31 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:How far off would Randle, Ddv, Conley and #31 be for KD? Works almost perfectly money wise.


I think it depends if San Antonio or Houston want him. If they do, they can easily outbid us with barely touching their war chest of assets. And sounds like San Antonio is at least interested.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#429 » by Klomp » Mon Jun 9, 2025 11:20 pm

Anyone think Minnesota could make a deal with Denver?!
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#430 » by Neeva » Tue Jun 10, 2025 12:12 am

What does Denver have that wolves need besides Joker which isn’t happening.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#431 » by Norseman79 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 12:41 am

Klomp wrote:Anyone think Minnesota could make a deal with Denver?!


Porter Jr?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#432 » by BlacJacMac » Tue Jun 10, 2025 12:45 am

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Klomp wrote:Anyone think Minnesota could make a deal with Denver?!


Porter Jr?


We don’t have enough bad contracts to take on an even worse one.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#433 » by TimberKat » Tue Jun 10, 2025 2:32 am

Klomp wrote:Denver traded for Aaron Gordon to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Indiana traded for Pascal Siakam to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Oklahoma City traded for Alex Caruso to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.

This is the type of move that I think we need to figure out. I highly doubt it's Kevin Durant. But maybe his trade value has fallen to a point to where it could be? But then, can we win that bidding war?!

I hate to say it, but one of the few guys who I keep coming back to who could fit this category is Dillon Brooks. I think Bobby Portis could be an interesting target. Josh Hart is another. I think these three all represent something that this team seems to lack. A little bit of that Patrick Beverley/Jarred Vanderbilt edge, if you will.

DEN already has a 1-2 punch when getting Gordon. Siakam was the second star. In Wolves case, if we don't re-sign Randle, we are looking for that second All Star. Totally agree that we are looking for good to great, not taking a step back with picks and drafting builds. We already have 3 guys in that category.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 1[emoji239[emoji2393]]): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#434 » by minimus » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:26 am

Is Reid (s&t) + 17th pick for Harrison Barnes and Castle realistic?

Re-sign Randle, draft one of Kalkbrenner/Beringer/Niederhauser

Gobert/Beringer/Miller
Randle/Barnes/Minott
McDaniels/TJ/Clark
Edwards/DDV/Clark
Castle/Dilly/Conley
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#435 » by shangrila » Tue Jun 10, 2025 1:07 pm

Klomp wrote:Denver traded for Aaron Gordon to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Indiana traded for Pascal Siakam to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Oklahoma City traded for Alex Caruso to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.

This is the type of move that I think we need to figure out. I highly doubt it's Kevin Durant. But maybe his trade value has fallen to a point to where it could be? But then, can we win that bidding war?!

I hate to say it, but one of the few guys who I keep coming back to who could fit this category is Dillon Brooks. I think Bobby Portis could be an interesting target. Josh Hart is another. I think these three all represent something that this team seems to lack. A little bit of that Patrick Beverley/Jarred Vanderbilt edge, if you will.

That was the Gobert trade
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 1[emoji239[emoji2393]]): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#436 » by Norseman79 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 1:40 pm

minimus wrote:Is Reid (s&t) + 17th pick for Harrison Barnes and Castle realistic?

Re-sign Randle, draft one of Kalkbrenner/Beringer/Niederhauser

Gobert/Beringer/Miller
Randle/Barnes/Minott
McDaniels/TJ/Clark
Edwards/DDV/Clark
Castle/Dilly/Conley


I honestly don't know if it's realistic, I think they value Castle pretty highly. That being said, I love the idea except for resigning Julius.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#437 » by lewdog » Tue Jun 10, 2025 1:57 pm

Klomp wrote:Denver traded for Aaron Gordon to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Indiana traded for Pascal Siakam to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Oklahoma City traded for Alex Caruso to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.

This is the type of move that I think we need to figure out. I highly doubt it's Kevin Durant. But maybe his trade value has fallen to a point to where it could be? But then, can we win that bidding war?!

I hate to say it, but one of the few guys who I keep coming back to who could fit this category is Dillon Brooks. I think Bobby Portis could be an interesting target. Josh Hart is another. I think these three all represent something that this team seems to lack. A little bit of that Patrick Beverley/Jarred Vanderbilt edge, if you will.


I would put Derrick White in your group to help the Boston youngsters get to the Finals. He is by far my #1 target for our Timberwolves to get this off season. And fortuitously for us, Boston just might unload him with the Tatum injury. What would be the price for White?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 1[emoji239[emoji2393]]): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#438 » by shrink » Tue Jun 10, 2025 2:10 pm

minimus wrote:Is Reid (s&t) + 17th pick for Harrison Barnes and Castle realistic?

It sounds like the Spurs are much higher on Castle.

Fox maybe? Even though the Spurs have given him guarantees, I just don’t know if he’s still in their future. Harper is clearly the second best player in this draft, and has a star ceiling. He, Castle and Fox are all guards who need starter minutes, and if I’m building around Wemby, I’d stick with the two with the young upside. I could see them using Fox in a KD trade, or even something with us.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#439 » by shrink » Tue Jun 10, 2025 2:17 pm

I’ve toyed with McCollum-to-MIN, while Dillingham develops. He’ll be 34 when the season starts, at $30.7, but it’s expiring.

Maybe if MIN is going to lose Randle or Naz Reid, they could send one to a third team and add a player that fits NOP better.

MIN GETS: McCollum + asset
MIN GIVES: Randle or Naz (S&T)

NOP GETS: Third team, better fit player
NOP GIVES: McCollum

THIRD TEAM GETS: Randle or Naz (S&T)
THIRD TEAM GIVES: Better fit player + asset


McCollum: 21.1 PPG, FG 44.4%, 3P 37.3%, 3.8 RPG, 4.1 APG, 1.9 TO.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mccolcj01.htmlR

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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#440 » by Klomp » Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:41 pm

shangrila wrote:
Klomp wrote:Denver traded for Aaron Gordon to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Indiana traded for Pascal Siakam to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Oklahoma City traded for Alex Caruso to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.

This is the type of move that I think we need to figure out. I highly doubt it's Kevin Durant. But maybe his trade value has fallen to a point to where it could be? But then, can we win that bidding war?!

I hate to say it, but one of the few guys who I keep coming back to who could fit this category is Dillon Brooks. I think Bobby Portis could be an interesting target. Josh Hart is another. I think these three all represent something that this team seems to lack. A little bit of that Patrick Beverley/Jarred Vanderbilt edge, if you will.

That was the Gobert trade

I disagree. I've always compared the Gobert trade more to when Denver signed Paul Millsap.
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