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Post#441 » by urinesane » Fri Dec 2, 2022 3:52 pm

Folklore wrote:
Kineto wrote:
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There are a lot of things people are overreacting to, but some things just hurt.

1. Finch is not able to get these guys to buy in 21 games in (25% of the first season with Rudy.)


Just for the record, the boston celtics forum post i linked here is from january.

It's (almost) the same Boston team who was 18-21 at that time, and then ended the season 33-10 with a trip to the NBA finals.

This Wolves team have a 4 year window to perform, even if it take a whole season for Finch to find a way to make this team play good basketball, i think it's worth to take the risk.


Why do these types of comparison? Oh look, they did or didn't do it so why couldn't we maybe possible do or don't do that too? The wolves traded away what made them special. Our players no longer have the heart to makes things get better for the team. The Memphis win to me was a way for the Merc players to get their numbers up.


This is called THE POSITIVITY THREAD. Be positive or kick rocks.
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Post#442 » by Calinks » Fri Dec 2, 2022 6:54 pm

Klomp wrote:Positivity: Our longest losing streak this season to-date is only 3 games. By this point last season (22 games), we already had a 6-game losing streak and the 22nd game was the start of a 5-game losing streak.

Yikes. I know less was expected from that team but a 6 game losing streak is brutal. Crazy that we pulled it together.
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Post#443 » by Klomp » Sat Dec 3, 2022 7:24 pm

Folklore wrote:Why do these types of comparison? Oh look, they did or didn't do it so why couldn't we maybe possible do or don't do that too? The wolves traded away what made them special. Our players no longer have the heart to makes things get better for the team. The Memphis win to me was a way for the Merc players to get their numbers up.

Anthony Edwards is truly what makes them special on any given night...
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Post#444 » by TheZachAttack » Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:26 am

This is slightly messy but I think Edwards might be taking the jump that we were looking for this season.

Anthony Edwards has consistently throughout his career started seasons slow. During each season he’s made a jump to the level that he begins play in the next season in the middle to the back half of the year and then makes a jump to that next level after the first 20+ games of the season.

I want to make a positive argument to say that Edwards is making that jump this season. This is evident in his play since the Towns injury—which is potentially a problem but something the Wolves can focus on in a later date if he’s figuring out how to play with a traditional big like Rudy.

The big jump that Edwards is making that I observe is his ability to impact a game outside of his scoring and trends that suggest that he could stabilize some of his streakiness and reliance on tough finishing and shooting to have good games.

During Edwards last 7 games (6 of which have come with KAT out for all or part of the game) Edwards has averaged 25.7 points - 5.3 rebounds - 4.6 assists including an astonishing 4 stocks, 3.4 turnovers, and 8 FTs per game.

These numbers put Edwards in the top 10 range in FTs in the league and first in the league in generating turnovers. Edwards is one of the best athletes in the league. This trend suggests that he’s finally taking a step to be able to control that athleticism on both sides of the ball to be able to impose his will on the game.

Edwards has also averaged almost 5 assists in this span. This puts Edwards ahead of secondary ball handlers like Tatum/Brown and closer to secondary ball handlers like George/Mitchell/Derozan in their current state who have evolved into capable secondary ball handlers. Edwards has done this much earlier in his career then they did (if he can keep this up) which is an extremely positive step for Edwards as an impact player.

Edwards biggest problem has been that he is a slightly above average volume scorer from both at the rim and the perimeter who doesn’t bring anything else to the table when his shot isn’t going in. The majority of really strong volume perimeter scorers only shooting average to slightly above average from the field, but they do other things that bring up their efficiency. If Edwards can continue to generate turnovers with his on ball defense (leading to fast break points) and get to the line on his drives at top 5 to 10 rates he’s going to take an immediate jump as a player.

This jump will allow him to build in a percentage of high percentage points into his game flow and turns multiple missed shots at the rim per game that should have been called free throws into point opportunities. This should allow Edwards to take the jump that players like Tatum/Mitchell have as scorers.

Edwards has shot below his career averages from the field during this time, but has been able to maintain an above average efficiency from the field (even if he is still not at an elite level). If you extend Edwards production to the previous 13 games he has been able to maintain a 25+ ppg average on the following splits:

55% 2pt FG
38% 3pt FG (7.3 attempts)
81% FT (6.7 att)

He is also continuing to manage 3+ stocks, 4.5 asts, and almost 6 rebounds. These are steps in terms of consistency that we have been looking to see. Edwards is driving to the rim and finishing at career best rates, getting fouls at career best rates, generating assists at career best rates, and generating turnovers at career best rates. This could be the start of Edwards taking the jump expected at the beginning of the year hidden in plain sight.

I would not be surprised to see Edwards average 25-26ppg - 5-6 rbds - 4-5 asts - 3 stocks over the course of the rest of the season.
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Post#445 » by TheZachAttack » Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:41 am

I believe that another key to the season is D Lo finding his shot. This is not about D Lo being a max player, but this is about him being a Jordan Clarkson level of player and being able to contribute, space the floor, and hit tough shots at a league average or better rate. In D Lo’s last 9 games:

21.2 ppg
6.4 asts
2.8 rbds
2 stocks
3.1 TOs

65% on 7.7 atts
41% on 7.3 atts
87% 2.6 att

This includes averaging 24.2 and 5 assists on even better shooting splits since KAT has gone out. I don’t expect D Lo to continue shooting or finishing at this rate—but Rudy’s spacing is uniquely helpful for him finding his spots on the floor and creating spacing to allow him to pick spots to get to the rim.

This is a Wolves team that needs spacing, shooting, and scoring from the perimeter. If D Lo can keep up a similar level of play that will be huge.
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Post#446 » by thinktank » Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:17 pm

Our Wolfies are 15 - 8 in 2023 for a .652 win percentage in the new year. Over 82 games, that would be good for 53 wins.

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Post#447 » by urinesane » Sun Mar 5, 2023 6:28 am

Wolves back?
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Post#448 » by TimberKat » Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:53 am

Since Dallas, Wolves been in every game except against 76ers. We could have been 10-1 but are 5-6. We didn't get embarrassed so often like in the DLo era. We are still in the play-in and ahead of the Lakers. The messiah is come within weeks before the end of the world. The is still hope for Wolveland.
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Post#449 » by Klomp » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:40 pm

TimberKat wrote:Since Dallas, Wolves been in every game except against 76ers. We could have been 10-1 but are 5-6. We didn't get embarrassed so often like in the DLo era. We are still in the play-in and ahead of the Lakers. The messiah is come within weeks before the end of the world. The is still hope for Wolveland.

A refreshing take.

Competitiveness should not be understated. It's easy to say "we should be higher" but we could also easily be lower in this situation but aren't.
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Post#450 » by UnFadeable21 » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:48 am

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Austin rivers and KAT podcast episode on ringer pod

Good listen and Informative. Lots of good stuff. Rivers wants back in the rotation lol
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Post#451 » by TheZachAttack » Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:37 pm

TheZachAttack wrote:This is slightly messy but I think Edwards might be taking the jump that we were looking for this season.

Anthony Edwards has consistently throughout his career started seasons slow. During each season he’s made a jump to the level that he begins play in the next season in the middle to the back half of the year and then makes a jump to that next level after the first 20+ games of the season.

I want to make a positive argument to say that Edwards is making that jump this season. This is evident in his play since the Towns injury—which is potentially a problem but something the Wolves can focus on in a later date if he’s figuring out how to play with a traditional big like Rudy.

The big jump that Edwards is making that I observe is his ability to impact a game outside of his scoring and trends that suggest that he could stabilize some of his streakiness and reliance on tough finishing and shooting to have good games.

During Edwards last 7 games (6 of which have come with KAT out for all or part of the game) Edwards has averaged 25.7 points - 5.3 rebounds - 4.6 assists including an astonishing 4 stocks, 3.4 turnovers, and 8 FTs per game.

These numbers put Edwards in the top 10 range in FTs in the league and first in the league in generating turnovers. Edwards is one of the best athletes in the league. This trend suggests that he’s finally taking a step to be able to control that athleticism on both sides of the ball to be able to impose his will on the game.

Edwards has also averaged almost 5 assists in this span. This puts Edwards ahead of secondary ball handlers like Tatum/Brown and closer to secondary ball handlers like George/Mitchell/Derozan in their current state who have evolved into capable secondary ball handlers. Edwards has done this much earlier in his career then they did (if he can keep this up) which is an extremely positive step for Edwards as an impact player.

Edwards biggest problem has been that he is a slightly above average volume scorer from both at the rim and the perimeter who doesn’t bring anything else to the table when his shot isn’t going in. The majority of really strong volume perimeter scorers only shooting average to slightly above average from the field, but they do other things that bring up their efficiency. If Edwards can continue to generate turnovers with his on ball defense (leading to fast break points) and get to the line on his drives at top 5 to 10 rates he’s going to take an immediate jump as a player.

This jump will allow him to build in a percentage of high percentage points into his game flow and turns multiple missed shots at the rim per game that should have been called free throws into point opportunities. This should allow Edwards to take the jump that players like Tatum/Mitchell have as scorers.

Edwards has shot below his career averages from the field during this time, but has been able to maintain an above average efficiency from the field (even if he is still not at an elite level). If you extend Edwards production to the previous 13 games he has been able to maintain a 25+ ppg average on the following splits:

55% 2pt FG
38% 3pt FG (7.3 attempts)
81% FT (6.7 att)

He is also continuing to manage 3+ stocks, 4.5 asts, and almost 6 rebounds. These are steps in terms of consistency that we have been looking to see. Edwards is driving to the rim and finishing at career best rates, getting fouls at career best rates, generating assists at career best rates, and generating turnovers at career best rates. This could be the start of Edwards taking the jump expected at the beginning of the year hidden in plain sight.

I would not be surprised to see Edwards average 25-26ppg - 5-6 rbds - 4-5 asts - 3 stocks over the course of the rest of the season.


Looks like I can predict the future :D
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Post#452 » by Klomp » Tue May 9, 2023 7:22 pm

I know it feels like we're treading water, stuck in place with nowhere to go. But I still feel very strongly that this is a great time to be a fan of the Minnesota Timberwolves.

-Ownership change brings new life to franchise. Things seemed bleak in 1994, but the purchase by Taylor almost immediately brought success. I'm not crediting him for the Garnett era, though you can obviously say that without Glen Taylor the Garnett era never even begins because the franchise would be in New Orleans. But again, things have turned bleak, but the process of the ownership change bringing in new voices is once again breathing life into the franchise.
-Front office changes will hopefully bring stability. People are down on Connelly, but think about it this way.....when was the last time a current Timberwolves front office head was good enough to be potentially courted by another franchise? He build up Denver into a sustainable franchise. He's trying to do the same here. He made mistakes in Denver, he's made some here too. But I think consistency is so important to a small-market franchise when trying to build something up.
-I know people are down on the season, and I'm disappointed with the result too. But I'm choosing to focus on the baby steps of getting back to the playoffs again despite the disappointments. Small steps over a low bar, but an important step nonetheless.
-We still are building around 21-year old Anthony Edwards. That immediately gives us an enormous leg up on so many franchises.
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Post#453 » by urinesane » Tue May 9, 2023 7:38 pm

Klomp wrote:I know it feels like we're treading water, stuck in place with nowhere to go. But I still feel very strongly that this is a great time to be a fan of the Minnesota Timberwolves.

-Ownership change brings new life to franchise. Things seemed bleak in 1994, but the purchase by Taylor almost immediately brought success. I'm not crediting him for the Garnett era, though you can obviously say that without Glen Taylor the Garnett era never even begins because the franchise would be in New Orleans. But again, things have turned bleak, but the process of the ownership change bringing in new voices is once again breathing life into the franchise.
-Front office changes will hopefully bring stability. People are down on Connelly, but think about it this way.....when was the last time a current Timberwolves front office head was good enough to be potentially courted by another franchise? He build up Denver into a sustainable franchise. He's trying to do the same here. He made mistakes in Denver, he's made some here too. But I think consistency is so important to a small-market franchise when trying to build something up.
-I know people are down on the season, and I'm disappointed with the result too. But I'm choosing to focus on the baby steps of getting back to the playoffs again despite the disappointments. Small steps over a low bar, but an important step nonetheless.
-We still are building around 21-year old Anthony Edwards. That immediately gives us an enormous leg up on so many franchises.


I think the biggest issue is that many people (most) are down on the franchise BECAUSE of the disappointment they experienced this season with the biggest expectations this team has probably had since KG/Cassell/Spree days.

While the season certainly didn't go the way I would have preferred nor predicted, there certainly was a lot of value to it despite the results not being what we had hoped. It seems that due to this bump in the road many fans want to turn the car around, but I am still very excited by the potential of this team/franchise going forward.

One lackluster (PLAYOFF) season certainly isn't enough to lose me considering how many years of bleak obscurity we've already gone through as fans of this team. To some the fact that Gobert didn't improve the wins total/result over last season as a reason to lower the potential ceiling on this team, but I look at it the opposite way.

Going from a team that overachieved and had great injury luck the previous season to one that had HORRIBLE injury luck this season AND a roster overhaul, but still making the playoffs (and only winning 4 less games) with their best player out the majority of the season is actually a testament to the fact that this roster has some depth (and the ability to fight through adversity, sometimes literally).

While everyone would have preferred this Gobert/KAT experiment had started off better, not getting the immediate result your hoping for does not mean the entire experiment is a massive failure (as many here and nationally have painted it), it just means that they need to adjust and take the data they've collected from the first part and apply it to the future (not smash everything out of frustration and sell off parts for pennies on the dollar).
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Post#454 » by Guest84 » Fri Jun 2, 2023 8:11 pm



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Post#455 » by shrink » Wed Jun 14, 2023 7:03 pm

Last year I had high expectations after the Gobert trade. However, the team faced some major unforeseeable problems.

1. Towns hospitalized in the pre-season
2. Gobert tired from international play
3. Inability of both Russell or Ant to get the ball to Rudy on the pick and roll
4. Russell badmouthing Rudy to teammates
5. And above all, Towns missing 50 games.

Pessimists are locked into their own negativity about the season, but if we knew ahead of time those things would happen, and MIN would STILL make the playoffs, and be competitive against the best team in the NBA without Naz or Jaden, I think they’d say we did well. Even while we missed out on a lot of low-hanging fruit (losses to bad teams).

This year, my expectations are even higher. I expect a Top 3 Finish!

1. All five of those major issues are in the past.
2. Conley helps the team more than DLo
3. Ant and Jaden improved significantly, and will continue to get better.
4. KAT and Gobert can be much better next year.
5. We have a year of continuity, and a full summer together.

Sure, unforeseeable events may happen this season, but they won’t be as bad as last year, plus the advantages we have this season. I can’t wait for next year!
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Post#456 » by Klomp » Wed Jun 14, 2023 7:17 pm

shrink wrote:Last year I had high expectations after the Gobert trade. However, the team faced some major unforeseeable problems.

1. Towns hospitalized in the pre-season
2. Gobert tired from international play
3. Inability of both Russell or Ant to get the ball to Rudy on the pick and roll
4. Russell badmouthing Rudy to teammates
5. And above all, Towns missing 50 games.

Pessimists are locked into their own negativity about the season, but if we knew ahead of time those things would happen, and MIN would STILL make the playoffs, and be competitive against the best team in the NBA without Naz or Jaden, I think they’d say we did well. Even while we missed out on a lot of low-hanging fruit (losses to bad teams).

This year, my expectations are even higher. I expect a Top 3 Finish!

1. All five of those major issues are in the past.
2. Conley helps the team more than DLo
3. Ant and Jaden improved significantly, and will continue to get better.
4. KAT and Gobert can be much better next year.
5. We have a year of continuity, and a full summer together.

Sure, unforeseeable events may happen this season, but they won’t be as bad as last year, plus the advantages we have this season. I can’t wait for next year!

I love the optimism. I think it's way too early to say something like this because so much has to shake out from what is likely to be an insane offseason, but if everything in the league stayed status quo I could certainly see it.

I think the biggest hesitation I have in saying something like that is how much parity was in the West. Last season, a 48-34 record was good enough for the No. 3 seed. Two seasons ago, that would put a team in sixth, five games back of the third seed.
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Post#457 » by TimberKat » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:47 pm

Add to that JMac will beat the wall this year :banghead:
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Post#458 » by minimus » Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:03 pm

shrink wrote:This year, my expectations are even higher. I expect a Top 3 Finish!


Well... One thing I've learned after being MIN fan for 10+ years is not to set any expectations)
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Post#459 » by TimberKat » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:36 am

Dane Moore: A good handful of Wolves roster players at the facility today. I’ve seen Rudy Gobert, Naz Reid, Jaden McDaniels and Jordan McLaughlin. The frequency in which Wolves players spend time in Minnesota during the summer has really gone up over the last few years.

I view it as Gobert, Naz, and JMcD wants to be here and are working on their game? McLaughlin could move to the front office.
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Post#460 » by m2002brian » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:49 am

TimberKat wrote:Dane Moore: A good handful of Wolves roster players at the facility today. I’ve seen Rudy Gobert, Naz Reid, Jaden McDaniels and Jordan McLaughlin. The frequency in which Wolves players spend time in Minnesota during the summer has really gone up over the last few years.

I view it as Gobert, Naz, and JMcD wants to be here and are working on their game? McLaughlin could move to the front office.



Reading through Danes posts….
Where’s KAT been this summer?
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