Jimmy Butler Traded to Philadelphia (Discussion Continued)

[akeefe03]

Do the new boys play tomorrow?

[Mattya]

To me this team will be bottom 10 record wise and there are some good prospects in the top 10 of this draft. We are in the West. We don’t get the luxury of playing in the east. Hopefully we get lucky and get a top 3 pick and get one of the Duke guys, but Doumbouya, Bol, and Little are good prospects as well. We need to make good picks wherever we are, and try to get assets to try and trade for players who could blossom here.

[Jedzz]

I agree they should have kept Patton and waited for him. They chose him in the draft and it wasn't going to cost an alarming amount to hold onto him. Didn't like that he was thrown into the trade. But then again I don't get to see the xrays or know much of what his case really is.

[Jedzz]

Do the new boys play tomorrow?

Hard to believe it could happen that fast. But it would be cool.

[Domejandro]

I agree they should have kept Patton and waited for him. They chose him in the draft and it wasn't going to cost an alarming amount to hold onto him. Didn't like that he was thrown into the trade. But then again I don't get to see the xrays or know much of what his case really is.

They would have been in the Luxury-Tax and were over the player maximum (15), that was not a realistic option.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I agree they should have kept Patton and waited for him. They chose him in the draft and it wasn't going to cost an alarming amount to hold onto him. Didn't like that he was thrown into the trade. But then again I don't get to see the xrays or know much of what his case really is.

They didnt extend a qualifying offer to him. And I doubt he's going to play enough for any team to give him a big offer.

If we want him back, they can just give him an offer sheet in the off season and let him heal up fully in iowa.

[Crazy-Canuck]

To me this team will be bottom 10 record wise and there are some good prospects in the top 10 of this draft. We are in the West. We don’t get the luxury of playing in the east. Hopefully we get lucky and get a top 3 pick and get one of the Duke guys, but Doumbouya, Bol, and Little are good prospects as well. We need to make good picks wherever we are, and try to get assets to try and trade for players who could blossom here.

It all depends on KAT and a some on wiggins. If kat plays like he did against the kings (i think he knew of the jimmy trade being close), then we are back in this.

[Mattya]

Do the new boys play tomorrow?

Hard to believe it could happen that fast. But it would be cool.

I’m hoping KBD gets some action.

[SO_MONEY]

To me this team will be bottom 10 record wise and there are some good prospects in the top 10 of this draft. We are in the West. We don’t get the luxury of playing in the east. Hopefully we get lucky and get a top 3 pick and get one of the Duke guys, but Doumbouya, Bol, and Little are good prospects as well. We need to make good picks wherever we are, and try to get assets to try and trade for players who could blossom here.

It all depends on KAT and a some on wiggins. If kat plays like he did against the kings (i think he knew of the jimmy trade being close), then we are back in this.

I don't believe Bol is some great prospect, but yes at the top there are a few good players it seems, but I think it thins out before 10.

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[Jedzz]

I agree they should have kept Patton and waited for him. They chose him in the draft and it wasn't going to cost an alarming amount to hold onto him. Didn't like that he was thrown into the trade. But then again I don't get to see the xrays or know much of what his case really is.

They would have been in the Luxury-Tax and were over the player maximum (15), that was not a realistic option.

Oh so all the other players on the 15 are necessary to keep and will play on Thib's team? Great realistic news.

[King Malta]

I know he's been mentioned a few times, but people might be underselling the prospect that Okogie is IMO.

If he's able to develop into a 3rd or 4th starter on a contender type of player, then you've got your 1st (KAT, I think he gets there), 3rd/4th and maybe 4th/5th (Saric?) level starters for a good team locked in, plus potentially whatever we can get in the draft this year.

The real unknown really is Wiggins, if he can step up and become even 80% of a max player in the next year or two we could still be on a pretty decent pathway. Regardless, I still think this was easily the best trade for us on paper, Richardson doesn't get us out of the middling phase and the Rockets picks wouldn't have been any good to us until we'd already been tanking for a few years anyway.

[Domejandro]

I agree they should have kept Patton and waited for him. They chose him in the draft and it wasn't going to cost an alarming amount to hold onto him. Didn't like that he was thrown into the trade. But then again I don't get to see the xrays or know much of what his case really is.

They would have been in the Luxury-Tax and were over the player maximum (15), that was not a realistic option.

Oh so all the other players on the 15 are necessary to keep and will play on Thib's team? Great realistic news.

The options to trade were Tyus Jones, Keita Bates-Diop, Justin Patton, or Josh Okogie to trade, whilst staying under the Luxury-Tax. The choice was obvious, in my opinion.

[Jedzz]

They would have been in the Luxury-Tax and were over the player maximum (15), that was not a realistic option.

Oh so all the other players on the 15 are necessary to keep and will play on Thib's team? Great realistic news.

The options to trade were Tyus Jones, Keita Bates-Diop, Justin Patton, or Josh Okogie to trade, whilst staying under the Luxury-Tax. The choice was obvious, in my opinion.

We have a difference of opinion. I'm not at all certain those are the only choices of players that could have been thrown in, if someone had to be thrown in as an addition at all. Staying under the Lux could have been handled with other trades as well. Sure seems like a plot hole type excuse to me. Again, I don't know the prognosis on him. Maybe he never plays professionally again. If something like that is the case, so be it. If he plays basketball next season and is what some were saying he might be, this will go down as a "throw in" that is frowned on.

As others have noted, Philly had two players recently that they waited on through foot injuries. If you chose them in the draft with your first round pick you owe it to your team to wait if you can. We obviously disagree on whether they had a choice.

[wesleyt95]

Do the new boys play tomorrow?

Hard to believe it could happen that fast. But it would be cool.

I’m hoping KBD gets some action.

I know KBD has been labeled as a stretch 4 but it'd be cool to see him model his game after Robert Covington now that he's here, similar size and tools; KBD may actually have a higher ceiling of the 2 if he can defend.

[Jedzz]

Do the new boys play tomorrow?

Hard to believe it could happen that fast. But it would be cool.

I’m hoping KBD gets some action.

I was hoping to see him mixed in a little right away this season given the wing shortage we always seem in. Did he play in one game so far?

I heard he was just sent to Iowa now. Don't know what that means for him the rest of the season.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Hard to believe it could happen that fast. But it would be cool.

I’m hoping KBD gets some action.

I was hoping to see him mixed in a little right away this season given the wing shortage we always seem in. Did he play in one game so far?

I heard he was just sent to Iowa now. Don't know what that means for him the rest of the season.

He and CJ were both sent down.

KBD dropped 20 in his first game.

KBD is also more of a 4 than a 3.

[Jedzz]

To me this team will be bottom 10 record wise and there are some good prospects in the top 10 of this draft. We are in the West. We don’t get the luxury of playing in the east. Hopefully we get lucky and get a top 3 pick and get one of the Duke guys, but Doumbouya, Bol, and Little are good prospects as well. We need to make good picks wherever we are, and try to get assets to try and trade for players who could blossom here.

It all depends on KAT and a some on wiggins. If kat plays like he did against the kings (i think he knew of the jimmy trade being close), then we are back in this.

I was thinking that too. He might have already known. Otherwise I was thinking and Jim Pete I think mentioned during the game it might have been WCS being on the court that awoke Kat. Not sure which, but that's the guy from the rookie season we've been missing at times.

[K4P]

Lol it will just be rose now with the ball instead of Jimmy.

I think this is true. But Rose is a PG. He will do both, score and feed.

Yeah, plus the ball just moved way better with Rose than with the ISO ball of that clown.

Plus Rose usually takes shots in rhythm whereas General Soreness forced tough shots often, especially late in games.

[Murphs56]

Do the new boys play tomorrow?

Hard to believe it could happen that fast. But it would be cool.

The Trade call with the league and the physicals are tomorrow. The media has been saying Butler's debut will be Wednesday so I expect it to be the same here.

[Jedzz]

I’m hoping KBD gets some action.

I was hoping to see him mixed in a little right away this season given the wing shortage we always seem in. Did he play in one game so far?

I heard he was just sent to Iowa now. Don't know what that means for him the rest of the season.

He and CJ were both sent down.

KBD dropped 20 in his first game.

KBD is also more of a 4 than a 3.

Maybe you've seen more of him to make that determination about 4 over 3. But much of the scouting reports on him were that he was a long armed small forward that you could expect rebounds and defense of multiple positions from with occasional heat on shooting. "too small to only be a small ball 4, and needed a little work on handles from small forward perspective" I believe he was a wing in college. Correct me if I'm wrong. He's only 6 foot 7 inches (without shoes) But he has that 7ft3 wing span.

We just Maxed Wiggins who's a 6 ft 9 (in shoes) and he needs major work on his handles still. Not sure how Bates Diop gets labeled as only a 4 in the NBA given what Wiggins is. I have a feeling a lot of that kind of talk is purely based on finding them a role around others that were in place at the time. Which we kind of had a shortage of PFs back then since the team wouldn't move Towns to PF. That's not the case now.

PG Rose/Teague/Tyus
SG Wiggins/Okogie
SF RoCo//KBD/Tolliver
PF Taj/Saric/Tolliver
C Towns/Dieng

Am I missing someone? Let Wiggins be a 2 if that's what he wants/needs. Let Covington and KBD fill out SF and this could be a pretty filled out team if it pans out. Am I way out of line in thinking?