2019 NBA draft part deux

[alabamawolf]

Thanks Klomp. I want ... whichever guy has the highest upside, regardless of fit or downside risk.

If it’s strictly upside it’d be either Doumbouya or Little

Most upside without a doubt Clarke. First team all nba defender superb rim runner and makes the threes when left open.

I think Clarke is what he is. Jmo nut at his very best he’s the ultimate role player. good defense and hustle points. I believe most teams will give him the Draymond treatment and completely sag off of him

[wesleyt95]

Now that's what I call "thinking outside the box" and "questioning the norm". You're either onto something or on something.

Winslow switched to pg last season, had the best season of his career and is still growing into the position

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I really don’t see the skills of a full time PG. He threw 1 guy open in that video and it was a lob. You still play whatever position you can guard. I’d need to see a lot more than a game against the Cavs

He started the entire time Dragic was out, which was months (but you obviously weren’t paying attention). Justise Winslow is one of the better defenders in the league and can guard 1-4, he’d be the biggest pg in the league behind Simmons except he shot 37% from three last year.

[wesleyt95]

There’s no debate if he can run an offense, he already did it. I’m tired of you lukewarm fans that don’t study the game like I do making disrespectful remarks; half of u have no credentials and make baseless opinions just because

[wesleyt95]

Clarke has no skill, if you think he’s a sure thing @ 11 you’re a moron. Literally all the ppl he’s compared to we’re diamond in the rough 2nd round picks that usually wouldn’t work out 97% of the time; now you want to waste a lotto on that?

[alabamawolf]

Winslow switched to pg last season, had the best season of his career and is still growing into the position

Watch on YouTube

I really don’t see the skills of a full time PG. He threw 1 guy open in that video and it was a lob. You still play whatever position you can guard. I’d need to see a lot more than a game against the Cavs

He started the entire time Dragic was out, which was months (but you obviously weren’t paying attention). Justise Winslow is one of the better defenders in the league and can guard 1-4, he’d be the biggest pg in the league behind Simmons except he shot 37% from three last year.

I can’t say I watched many Heat games this year but you’re the one that said watch the video. That video just shows he’s comfortable in the pick and roll. I know Winslow has a reputation as a good defender but can he stick with Lillard, Russ, and Steph?

[wesleyt95]

I really don’t see the skills of a full time PG. He threw 1 guy open in that video and it was a lob. You still play whatever position you can guard. I’d need to see a lot more than a game against the Cavs

He started the entire time Dragic was out, which was months (but you obviously weren’t paying attention). Justise Winslow is one of the better defenders in the league and can guard 1-4, he’d be the biggest pg in the league behind Simmons except he shot 37% from three last year.

I can’t say I watched many Heat games this year but you’re the one that said watch the video. That video just shows he’s comfortable in the pick and roll. I know Winslow has a reputation as a good defender but can he stick with Lillard, Russ, and Steph?

So what I’m supposed to post every game from the season for your to be impressed? As if your a$$ can’t go google it yourself...

[wesleyt95]

I throw out ideas better that 99% of the dumb **** u morons say yet you all just dismiss it cowarding back to the comfort of mediocrity. Goodnight real gm!

[alabamawolf]

He started the entire time Dragic was out, which was months (but you obviously weren’t paying attention). Justise Winslow is one of the better defenders in the league and can guard 1-4, he’d be the biggest pg in the league behind Simmons except he shot 37% from three last year.

I can’t say I watched many Heat games this year but you’re the one that said watch the video. That video just shows he’s comfortable in the pick and roll. I know Winslow has a reputation as a good defender but can he stick with Lillard, Russ, and Steph?

So what I’m supposed to post every game from the season for your to be impressed? As if your a$$ can’t go google it yourself...

The few games I did watch Richardson, Wade, and Winslow all served as the primary ball handler at different points. Winslow would be better served as a stretch 4 that can also put the ball on the floor and make a play

[wesleyt95]

He can play 4 but he’s a bigger mismatch at the 1, he’d Have advantage on a nightly basis. He has the handle to run the offense and nowadays with position less basketball who cares what he’s classified as. We need 1-4 to be able to handle switches, sorry Dario

[alabamawolf]

He can play 4 but he’s a bigger mismatch at the 1, he’d Have advantage on a nightly basis. He has the handle to run the offense and nowadays with position less basketball who cares what he’s classified as. We need 1-4 to be able to handle switches, sorry Dario

I can agree with position less basketball but just because he can handle the ball doesn’t mean he can run an offense. Jmo but the only way it’d work is if he’s paired with multiple players that can also handle and create. That’s not Wiggins or Covington so the roster would have to be retooled greatly for him unless you got D-Lo and ran out this lineup:
Russell
Wiggins
Covington
Winslow
KAT

[Klomp]

IMO that's the complete opposite. He has the least upside, but the most ready now player to contribute based on the guys that are in our range. Doumbouya has the most upside based on his age and where his skill set is as a 6'9 guy.

Clarke's position is still unknown in the NBA unless he plays 3 and small ball 4. Also, Sekou is almost 5 years younger than Clarke but already at least 15 lbs heavier

I don't think Clarke gets enough credit for his defensive upside. I feel like the narrative is that he'll be a good defender but nothing special and no potential to improve. The upside is certainly there. I know there's fears about his measurables, but I think it's time we question the norm of what makes a great defender great! It's more than just measurables....

Measurables are about the only thing lacking for Clarke on the defensive side. He can't really get longer arms, but he can build up strength. I have very few doubts about his defensive ability. What has this franchise sorely needed more, offensive or defensive help?

Meanwhile, there are very few sure things in this draft. Everything is a question of if the talent is there or if it can translate. Questions about Clarke's measurables are no greater than questions about almost every other player who will be there at our range.

Clarke is probably third on the list of three guys I listed earlier that I want. But it isn't really a situation of 1, 2, 3....more of 1a, 1b, 1c.

[wesleyt95]

He can play 4 but he’s a bigger mismatch at the 1, he’d Have advantage on a nightly basis. He has the handle to run the offense and nowadays with position less basketball who cares what he’s classified as. We need 1-4 to be able to handle switches, sorry Dario

I can agree with position less basketball but just because he can handle the ball doesn’t mean he can run an offense. Jmo but the only way it’d work is if he’s paired with multiple players that can also handle and create. That’s not Wiggins or Covington so the roster would have to be retooled greatly for him unless you got D-Lo and ran out this lineup:
Russell
Wiggins
Covington
Winslow
KAT

I said he can run an offense because he ALREADY ran an offense...

[TheDominator273]

It's not perfect, but BBRef's position estimate has Winslow playing no PG this season and just 1% of his minutes at SG. He play mostly SF with some PF.

For reference they had Ben Simmons at 80% PG minutes this season and James harden at 58%. Not perfect but just because he was handling the ball more while Dragic was out doesn't mean he's capable of being a full-time PG.

[Klomp]

The other thing I'd say about Clarke is that I think he'd be an incredible fit on the court here, not only with Towns, but also with Covington and/or Bates-Diop. They both have the length and the shooting ability that can complement Clarke and minimize those weaknesses. There would be endless switching opportunities with Clarke, Bates-Diop and Covington, which is something Saunders mentioned at his introductory press conference as something he'd like to implement on defense.

I don't view that as drafting need over BPA, either. Sometimes, certain playing styles just clash. We saw that first-hand the past two seasons. Sure Butler is better on the court individually, but was his playing style better for the team? When playing styles mesh, everyone benefits. Back in the 2015-16 season, Kevin Martin was a better player than Tayshaun Prince, but I think it's fair to say that Prince made the team better when he was on the court.

Clarke may not be the best individual talent on the board, but I believe he could be the best player available for this franchise.

[Klomp]

Clarke has no skill, if you think he’s a sure thing @ 11 you’re a moron. Literally all the ppl he’s compared to we’re diamond in the rough 2nd round picks that usually wouldn’t work out 97% of the time; now you want to waste a lotto on that?

Defense is a skill.

Guessing you think Josh Okogie had a horrible rookie year too? That's the type of impact Clarke can easily have on a team.

[alabamawolf]

He can play 4 but he’s a bigger mismatch at the 1, he’d Have advantage on a nightly basis. He has the handle to run the offense and nowadays with position less basketball who cares what he’s classified as. We need 1-4 to be able to handle switches, sorry Dario

I can agree with position less basketball but just because he can handle the ball doesn’t mean he can run an offense. Jmo but the only way it’d work is if he’s paired with multiple players that can also handle and create. That’s not Wiggins or Covington so the roster would have to be retooled greatly for him unless you got D-Lo and ran out this lineup:
Russell
Wiggins
Covington
Winslow
KAT

I said he can run an offense because he ALREADY ran an offense...

It’s a little ambitious to say he ran the offense playing along side Wade and Richardson but if you want to say he did, then he ran the offense for a treadmill team.

[Neeva]

People only think clarke can come in and play right away because he’s freaking old compared to the other guys in the draft lol

If it’s strictly upside it’d be either Doumbouya or Little

Most upside without a doubt Clarke.

IMO that's the complete opposite. He has the least upside, but the most ready now player to contribute based on the guys that are in our range. Doumbouya has the most upside based on his age and where his skill set is as a 6'9 guy.

Clarke's position is still unknown in the NBA unless he plays 3 and small ball 4. Also, Sekou is almost 5 years younger than Clarke but already at least 15 lbs heavier

[Mattya]

There are legit skills that can translate right away for Clarke. His switch-ability could be very valuable on the perimeter.

[KGdaBom]

If it’s strictly upside it’d be either Doumbouya or Little

Most upside without a doubt Clarke. First team all nba defender superb rim runner and makes the threes when left open.

I think Clarke is what he is. Jmo nut at his very best he’s the ultimate role player. good defense and hustle points. I believe most teams will give him the Draymond treatment and completely sag off of him

If teams do that they will regret it. He shot 52% on 2 point jump shots. And he will make threes if left open. He is going to be a star. . I still hate calling players role players. Every player in the NBA is a role player. They have a role and they play it.

[KGdaBom]

People only think clarke can come in and play right away because he’s freaking old compared to the other guys in the draft lol

Most upside without a doubt Clarke.

IMO that's the complete opposite. He has the least upside, but the most ready now player to contribute based on the guys that are in our range. Doumbouya has the most upside based on his age and where his skill set is as a 6'9 guy.

Clarke's position is still unknown in the NBA unless he plays 3 and small ball 4. Also, Sekou is almost 5 years younger than Clarke but already at least 15 lbs heavier

People with any intelligence know he can come in and play right away because he was one of the two best players in college ball last year. Incredible defender, excellent rebounder, and very efficient on offense at medium high usage with a nice jump shot. Nothing not to like unless you get all bent out of shape about him not being long enough or a 3 point shooter.