The D'Angelo Russell Thread

[Krapinsky]

Here are some more recent deals that may help set the market for D-Lo

Fred Vanvleet - $110M/4 = $27.5M avg
Jalen Brunson - $104M/4 = $26M avg
Anfernee Simons - $100M/4 = $25m avg
Mike Conley - $68M/3 = $22.68M avg
Lonzo Ball - $80M/4 = $20M avg

[winforlose]

Here are some more recent deals that may help set the market for D-Lo

Fred Vanvleet - $110M/4 = $27.5M avg
Jalen Brunson - $104M/4 = $26M avg
Anfernee Simons - $100M/4 = $25m avg
Mike Conley - $68M/3 = $22.68M avg
Lonzo Ball - $80M/4 = $20M avg

These are all good, and honestly how I look at him.

But, his agent will argue the following.

1. Dlo was an All Star and can be again if used correctly.
2. Having taken a backseat to Ant and KAT, Dlo was given less opportunities to shine.
3. Even though his shooting was worse, his clutch scoring, defense, and assist numbers were all improved last year.
4. In order to keep the team together and maximize the window the team should pay a little extra (leverage advantage.)

Putting all of this together I could see an overpay. Especially considering that outside of Conley who is old, the other 4 were never max players.

[Krapinsky]

Here are some more recent deals that may help set the market for D-Lo

Fred Vanvleet - $110M/4 = $27.5M avg
Jalen Brunson - $104M/4 = $26M avg
Anfernee Simons - $100M/4 = $25m avg
Mike Conley - $68M/3 = $22.68M avg
Lonzo Ball - $80M/4 = $20M avg

These are all good, and honestly how I look at him.

But, his agent will argue the following.

1. Dlo was an All Star and can be again if used correctly.
2. Having taken a backseat to Ant and KAT, Dlo was given less opportunities to shine.
3. Even though his shooting was worse, his clutch scoring, defense, and assist numbers were all improved last year.
4. In order to keep the team together and maximize the window the team should pay a little extra (leverage advantage.)

Putting all of this together I could see an overpay. Especially considering that outside of Conley who is old, the other 4 were never max players.

His agent has a problem and that is there is no market for D-Lo. Even the Wolves don't have the resources to sign him to a rich deal.

[winforlose]

Here are some more recent deals that may help set the market for D-Lo

Fred Vanvleet - $110M/4 = $27.5M avg
Jalen Brunson - $104M/4 = $26M avg
Anfernee Simons - $100M/4 = $25m avg
Mike Conley - $68M/3 = $22.68M avg
Lonzo Ball - $80M/4 = $20M avg

These are all good, and honestly how I look at him.

But, his agent will argue the following.

1. Dlo was an All Star and can be again if used correctly.
2. Having taken a backseat to Ant and KAT, Dlo was given less opportunities to shine.
3. Even though his shooting was worse, his clutch scoring, defense, and assist numbers were all improved last year.
4. In order to keep the team together and maximize the window the team should pay a little extra (leverage advantage.)

Putting all of this together I could see an overpay. Especially considering that outside of Conley who is old, the other 4 were never max players.

His agent has a problem and that is there is no market for D-Lo. Even the Wolves don't have the resources to sign him to a rich deal.

This is the question. Is there a team willing to spend 30 next year to poach Dlo from us?

[KGdaBom]

Here are some more recent deals that may help set the market for D-Lo

Fred Vanvleet - $110M/4 = $27.5M avg
Jalen Brunson - $104M/4 = $26M avg
Anfernee Simons - $100M/4 = $25m avg
Mike Conley - $68M/3 = $22.68M avg
Lonzo Ball - $80M/4 = $20M avg

These are all good, and honestly how I look at him.

But, his agent will argue the following.

1. Dlo was an All Star and can be again if used correctly.
2. Having taken a backseat to Ant and KAT, Dlo was given less opportunities to shine.
3. Even though his shooting was worse, his clutch scoring, defense, and assist numbers were all improved last year.
4. In order to keep the team together and maximize the window the team should pay a little extra (leverage advantage.)

Putting all of this together I could see an overpay. Especially considering that outside of Conley who is old, the other 4 were never max players.

His agent has a problem and that is there is no market for D-Lo. Even the Wolves don't have the resources to sign him to a rich deal.

There is a market for him and that market will be set by the team willing to pay the most.

[KGdaBom]

These are all good, and honestly how I look at him.

But, his agent will argue the following.

1. Dlo was an All Star and can be again if used correctly.
2. Having taken a backseat to Ant and KAT, Dlo was given less opportunities to shine.
3. Even though his shooting was worse, his clutch scoring, defense, and assist numbers were all improved last year.
4. In order to keep the team together and maximize the window the team should pay a little extra (leverage advantage.)

Putting all of this together I could see an overpay. Especially considering that outside of Conley who is old, the other 4 were never max players.

His agent has a problem and that is there is no market for D-Lo. Even the Wolves don't have the resources to sign him to a rich deal.

This is the question. Is there a team willing to spend 30 next year to poach Dlo from us?

Not unless he plays way better than this year. I think he ends up signing for between 20-25 million.

[winforlose]

His agent has a problem and that is there is no market for D-Lo. Even the Wolves don't have the resources to sign him to a rich deal.

This is the question. Is there a team willing to spend 30 next year to poach Dlo from us?

Not unless he plays way better than this year. I think he ends up signing for between 20-25 million.

I think he will. His best year was running pick and roll with Allen, and now he has Rudy. Also it will be so hard to guard the Twin City Towers and the Ant Man, Dlo should be all kinds of wide open from all over the floor.

[Krapinsky]

This is the question. Is there a team willing to spend 30 next year to poach Dlo from us?

Not unless he plays way better than this year. I think he ends up signing for between 20-25 million.

I think he will. His best year was running pick and roll with Allen, and now he has Rudy. Also it will be so hard to guard the Twin City Towers and the Ant Man, Dlo should be all kinds of wide open from all over the floor.

Even if he has a great year by D-Lo standards, which I also expect him to have, I still have a hard time seeing much of a market develop for him. He's 25 and already been on 4 teams. He's actually spent more time on the Wolves than any prior stop he has had. The advanced stats have never been kind to him. Most of the teams trying to be competitive teams are set at the PG position for 2023. And he is not a PG that fits on a team with another lead guard/forward facilitator. I think even at fair market value (which I see as $20-28M per year) the Wolves will likely be bidding against themselves.

[KGdaBom]

Not unless he plays way better than this year. I think he ends up signing for between 20-25 million.

I think he will. His best year was running pick and roll with Allen, and now he has Rudy. Also it will be so hard to guard the Twin City Towers and the Ant Man, Dlo should be all kinds of wide open from all over the floor.

Even if he has a great year by D-Lo standards, which I also expect him to have, I still have a hard time seeing much of a market develop for him. He's 25 and already been on 4 teams. He's actually spent more time on the Wolves than any prior stop he has had. The advanced stats have never been kind to him. Most of the teams trying to be competitive teams are set at the PG position for 2023. And he is not a PG that fits on a team with another lead guard/forward facilitator. I think even at fair market value (which I see as $20-28M per year) the Wolves will likely be bidding against themselves.

We're thinking mostly the same. I see him signing in the 20-25 million per year range.

[IceManBK1]

what if dlo has a redemption yr..leads team to as far as WCF. Makes allstar team whether as a starter or reserve. Has a solid yr all across the boards..would the timberwolves give him the max or let him walk? I'm truly hoping the best yr for dlo. It's his contact yr..has a baby on the way. Had a miserable playoff series vs grizzlies. That's what he needs to improve upon; finishing vs physical defenders. Even Tayshaun Prince gave Kobe fits earlier in his career, esp in that 2004 NBA finals when Kobe got shut down. Even the best of the players have miserable playoff series. The ques is, do they have the determination and work ethic to get better and fix their weaknesses. With Dlo, i'm not really sure...he's already what, 27 yrs old..time's running out on him. But I hope he proves me wrong.

[Klomp]

what if dlo has a redemption yr..leads team to as far as WCF. Makes allstar team whether as a starter or reserve. Has a solid yr all across the boards..would the timberwolves give him the max or let him walk? I'm truly hoping the best yr for dlo. It's his contact yr..has a baby on the way. Had a miserable playoff series vs grizzlies. That's what he needs to improve upon; finishing vs physical defenders. Even Tayshaun Prince gave Kobe fits earlier in his career, esp in that 2004 NBA finals when Kobe got shut down. Even the best of the players have miserable playoff series. The ques is, do they have the determination and work ethic to get better and fix their weaknesses. With Dlo, i'm not really sure...he's already what, 27 yrs old..time's running out on him. But I hope he proves me wrong.

I wouldn't count on an all-star appearance. He'd likely be fourth in line on the team for it.

[winforlose]

what if dlo has a redemption yr..leads team to as far as WCF. Makes allstar team whether as a starter or reserve. Has a solid yr all across the boards..would the timberwolves give him the max or let him walk? I'm truly hoping the best yr for dlo. It's his contact yr..has a baby on the way. Had a miserable playoff series vs grizzlies. That's what he needs to improve upon; finishing vs physical defenders. Even Tayshaun Prince gave Kobe fits earlier in his career, esp in that 2004 NBA finals when Kobe got shut down. Even the best of the players have miserable playoff series. The ques is, do they have the determination and work ethic to get better and fix their weaknesses. With Dlo, i'm not really sure...he's already what, 27 yrs old..time's running out on him. But I hope he proves me wrong.

I wouldn't count on an all-star appearance. He'd likely be fourth in line on the team for it.

Not saying it is going to happen, but how cool would it be if KAT, Ant, Rudy, and Dlo all got the nod. Unlikely, but not impossible.

[Klomp]

"DLo is as excited as I've ever heard him speak." -Jon Krawczynski

Jonny Athletic feature coming tomorrow

[winforlose]

Found this on hoopshype

“Hell yeah,” D’Angelo Russell said when asked if he wants to get a deal done before the season. “Obviously every player wants an extension, and you want to be in a position to do that.” 1 hour ago – via Jon Krawczynski @ The Athletic”

In hoopshype it links to an athletic article about Dlo and the Wolves.

[Klomp]

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[KGdaBom]

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I like what he said, but actions speak louder than words. Sign your extension for something reasonable and then play better than your contract.

[wolves_89]

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I like what he said, but actions speak louder than words. Sign your extension for something reasonable and then play better than your contract.

I wouldn't mind seeing DLO sign a 1-year extension at around his current salary. That way he gets another year to prove he deserves big money (he could sign another extension next offseason), while the Wolves get some security and another chance to move DLO next offseason if things aren't working.

[Tjstangeland18]

We have KAT and Gobear locked up, Ant is going to get the rookie max so there is our 3. So I think it comes down to Dlo and MCD. We won't be able to afford both. DLO Is locked up for 1 more and MCD for 2 more. So what's our priority and how can we maximize a return for either one.

[winforlose]

We have KAT and Gobear locked up, Ant is going to get the rookie max so there is our 3. So I think it comes down to Dlo and MCD. We won't be able to afford both. DLO Is locked up for 1 more and MCD for 2 more. So what's our priority and how can we maximize a return for either one.

I am sorry, but this simply isn’t true. First, the cap is going to explode with new TV money in a few years. Second, if we avoid the tax this year we will have 3 straight years of non tax, which means no repeater tax for another 3. Third, look at the hoopshype team salary page. GSW and the Nets broke every norm and tradition wide open. Big money is the only way to contend, and we are going to contend. We can and will pay whoever gets us a win. Fourth, what kind of money do you think MCD gets? 12-14 seems to be a reasonable range based on other players with similar skill sets. Don’t get me wrong, if he turns into an all star or develops into an all defense player that number could rise, but for now it isn’t a problem, and even then we have bird rights.

P.S look at the aggressive thread in this board, ticket sales are surging. Spending money makes money.

[Klomp]

We have KAT and Gobear locked up, Ant is going to get the rookie max so there is our 3. So I think it comes down to Dlo and MCD. We won't be able to afford both. DLO Is locked up for 1 more and MCD for 2 more. So what's our priority and how can we maximize a return for either one.

I am sorry, but this simply isn’t true. First, the cap is going to explode with new TV money in a few years. Second, if we avoid the tax this year we will have 3 straight years of non tax, which means no repeater tax for another 3. Third, look at the hoopshype team salary page. GSW and the Nets broke every norm and tradition wide open. Big money is the only way to contend, and we are going to contend. We can and will pay whoever gets us a win. Fourth, what kind of money do you think MCD gets? 12-14 seems to be a reasonable range based on other players with similar skill sets. Don’t get me wrong, if he turns into an all star or develops into an all defense player that number could rise, but for now it isn’t a problem, and even then we have bird rights.

P.S look at the aggressive thread in this board, ticket sales are surging. Spending money makes money.

If you think McDaniels is going to settle for $12-14 million, you are in for a rude awakening. I'd set the absolute floor for his next contract at $20 million AAV.