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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#441 » by First Step » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:48 am

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First Step wrote:I looked at precedent for NBA suspensions to get a sense of what Beasley is looking at. It seems under the Silver regime, he's had a bit more compassion for the punishment of players who get in legal troubles.

The maximum would be 8 games, but it could be 3-5 game range.

I did some research a while back and came to the conclusion that it could be longer than that. That said I don't think I looked at Silver only, think I was looking at stuff over the last 20 years or so.

His charges are being reduced to a misdemeanor. Ron Artest got 7 games for pleading guilty for assaulting his wife. JR Smith got 7 games for killing his friend while driving recklessly. Recently Willie Reed got 6 games for domestic assault.

Most of the long-term suspensions came from using banned substances, and egregious things like Malace in the Palace, or Arenas and Crittenton pulling guns on each other in the change room.
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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#442 » by Klomp » Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:04 pm

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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#443 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:56 pm

IMO Beasley is the best contract in the NBA. 15 million was a steal for MB.
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Post#444 » by shrink » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:39 am

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For the record, except for CJ, this is selecting low turnover numbers because they don’t try to make assists. CJ is doing these numbers this year and averaging 5 assists a game, but Leonard and Marion’s three seasons making this criteria were because they were not passing, and Malik is averaging 2.4 APG for his 1.5 TOPG.

Malik deserves credit for the eFG% and his recent games have pushed his 3P% over 40% as a Wolf, which is great. But choosing, “low turnovers” is definitely some selecting of specific stats to remove players who pass the ball.
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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#445 » by Calinks » Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:12 pm

Calling it now. I think the most Timberwolf outcome (so that means this is totally happening) will be that as soon as Dlo gets healthy and we finally start to get a look at the big 3 on this team, Beasley's suspension will come down and he will miss 2-3 weeks of games and yet again we won't get to see those three at full fore.
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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#446 » by Calinks » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:06 am

Calinks wrote:Calling it now. I think the most Timberwolf outcome (so that means this is totally happening) will be that as soon as Dlo gets healthy and we finally start to get a look at the big 3 on this team, Beasley's suspension will come down and he will miss 2-3 weeks of games and yet again we won't get to see those three at full fore.

This was before Russell getting hurt which is even more Timberwolves-like than my prediction. Touche Timberwolves, you never cease to amaze me with your curses.
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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#447 » by wolves_89 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:21 am

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Calinks wrote:Calling it now. I think the most Timberwolf outcome (so that means this is totally happening) will be that as soon as Dlo gets healthy and we finally start to get a look at the big 3 on this team, Beasley's suspension will come down and he will miss 2-3 weeks of games and yet again we won't get to see those three at full fore.

This was before Russell getting hurt which is even more Timberwolves-like than my prediction. Touche Timberwolves, you never cease to amaze me with your curses.

As a Wolves fan I've learned to look at an expected bad situation and then think about what can make it worse.
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Post#448 » by Klomp » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:35 pm

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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#449 » by Baseline81 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:39 pm

That table, Klomp, is painful to look at. Outside of LaVine, the Wolves have been without an actual SG for some time.
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Post#450 » by AbeVigodaLive » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:14 pm

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While Beasley has done pretty damn well and is definitely putting in his claim as one of the league's better high-volume three point shooters... these are the kind of meaningless statistics that really don't mean too much except to highlight the era we're in. Or, to find a silver lining in an otherwise lost season yet again.

Obviously, he's going to shatter that "record."
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Post#451 » by AbeVigodaLive » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:15 pm

Baseline81 wrote:That table, Klomp, is painful to look at. Outside of LaVine, the Wolves have been without an actual SG for some time.



Who is the greatest Wolves SG of all time?



[Note: As crazy as it sounds, Beasley might have the inside track sooner than later.]
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Post#452 » by Klomp » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:25 pm

AbeVigodaLive wrote:While Beasley has done pretty damn well and is definitely putting in his claim as one of the league's better high-volume three point shooters... these are the kind of meaningless statistics that really don't mean too much except to highlight the era we're in. Or, to find a silver lining in an otherwise lost season yet again.

Obviously, he's going to shatter that "record."

The Celtics had three guys over 200 in the 200-01 and 2001-02 seasons.
Reggie Miller had 10 seasons of 130+ 3-pointers in his career.

The Minnesota Timberwolves have had a player with 130 3-pointers just four times: 1994-95 Rider (139), 2007-08 McCants (142), 2018-19 Towns (142), 2013-14 Love (190). This isn't just an era stat. This has always been a Timberwolves problem.
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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#453 » by AbeVigodaLive » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:41 pm

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AbeVigodaLive wrote:While Beasley has done pretty damn well and is definitely putting in his claim as one of the league's better high-volume three point shooters... these are the kind of meaningless statistics that really don't mean too much except to highlight the era we're in. Or, to find a silver lining in an otherwise lost season yet again.

Obviously, he's going to shatter that "record."

The Celtics had three guys over 200 in the 200-01 and 2001-02 seasons.
Reggie Miller had 10 seasons of 130+ 3-pointers in his career.

The Minnesota Timberwolves have had a player with 130 3-pointers just four times: 1994-95 Rider (139), 2007-08 McCants (142), 2018-19 Towns (142), 2013-14 Love (190). This isn't just an era stat. This has always been a Timberwolves problem.


Yes. And No.

It's definitely true that the Wolves have long struggled with the three point shot... arguably more than any other franchise.

I believe they were last or 2nd-to-last in attempts for 4 or 5 straight seasons... across multiple coaches. In fact, I think Thibs, Mitchell and Saunders all helmed teams last in the league in attempts.

But there's no denying that virtually every team has seen its franchise three point records smashed in recent years as the number of attempts has increased by (xx%). The numbers are astounding in many cases.
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Post#454 » by Klomp » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:00 pm

AbeVigodaLive wrote:But there's no denying that virtually every team has seen its franchise three point records smashed in recent years as the number of attempts has increased by (xx%). The numbers are astounding in many cases.

Actually not. It's certainly hit some franchises (GSW, HOU), but there are still 8 franchises with their individual season record set before 2000. And the Wolves are one of five franchises without a player hitting 200 3-pointers in a season (Chicago, Denver, Detroit, LA Lakers).
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Post#455 » by Calinks » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:01 am

I find it shocking Kevin Martin is so low on that list. He was a bonafide shooter in Sac, seems like he should have had way bigger shooting role here than he did. We have a long history of know three point shooters not being able to do squat here, remember Mike Miller? lol
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Post#456 » by shrink » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:12 am

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Baseline81 wrote:That table, Klomp, is painful to look at. Outside of LaVine, the Wolves have been without an actual SG for some time.


Who is the greatest Wolves SG of all time?

[Note: As crazy as it sounds, Beasley might have the inside track sooner than later.]

Wow. Good point.

Rider? Tony Campbell? Sprewell and Wally were SF’s, right?

EDIT: I’m dumb. The most talented was Jimmy Butler. It hurts me to call him the “greatest wolves sg.” Even more reason for me to cheer on Anthony Edwards!
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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#457 » by winforlose » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:12 am

Calinks wrote:I find it shocking Kevin Martin is so low on that list. He was a bonafide shooter in Sac, seems like he should have had way bigger shooting role here than he did. We have a long history of know three point shooters not being able to do squat here, remember Mike Miller? lol


We have a long history of coaches not putting the ball in their hands. Belly had the same problem. Good coaches run off ball screens and set plays to put the ball in their hands. Bad coaches make them self conscious about every miss so they stop shooting.
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Post#458 » by Klomp » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:19 am

Calinks wrote:I find it shocking Kevin Martin is so low on that list. He was a bonafide shooter in Sac, seems like he should have had way bigger shooting role here than he did. We have a long history of know three point shooters not being able to do squat here, remember Mike Miller? lol

Martin did have 115 in 2013-14 at least
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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#459 » by AbeVigodaLive » Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:39 am

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AbeVigodaLive wrote:But there's no denying that virtually every team has seen its franchise three point records smashed in recent years as the number of attempts has increased by (xx%). The numbers are astounding in many cases.

Actually not. It's certainly hit some franchises (GSW, HOU), but there are still 8 franchises with their individual season record set before 2000. And the Wolves are one of five franchises without a player hitting 200 3-pointers in a season (Chicago, Denver, Detroit, LA Lakers).




I think we might be arguing two different things...

There's no disputing that three pointers are up across the board. So even though Pierce and Walker made over 200 threes in that season... the team still only averaged 23.7 attempts per game. The Cavs are currently the lowest at 26.7 right now. Pierce and Walker only averaged 14 threes between them. Russell and Beasley are averaging 16.1 attempts per game this season combined.

In today's league, all these three point records are inevitable to be broken. Previous generations may have had outlier guys or specialists here and there (see Boston, See Miller, et al).
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Re: Beasley Re-Sign for 4 years / $60M 

Post#460 » by AbeVigodaLive » Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:41 am

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Baseline81 wrote:That table, Klomp, is painful to look at. Outside of LaVine, the Wolves have been without an actual SG for some time.


Who is the greatest Wolves SG of all time?

[Note: As crazy as it sounds, Beasley might have the inside track sooner than later.]

Wow. Good point.

Rider? Tony Campbell? Sprewell and Wally were SF’s, right?

EDIT: I’m dumb. The most talented was Jimmy Butler. It hurts me to call him the “greatest wolves sg.” Even more reason for me to cheer on Anthony Edwards!



Tellingly... Butler played all of 69 games for the Timberwolves.

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