Free Agency Thread

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[KGdaBom]

Tony Bradley to Chicago
Enes Kanter to Celtics
Mo Wagner to Magic

Kemba Walker to Knicks
Brynn Forbes to Spurs

John Collins resigns 5 years 125 million

Day 3 free agency so far

I would have really liked us signing Mo Wagner. Enes Kanter wouldn't have been bad either.

[TheProdigy]

Lots of teams in the West with puzzling off seasons so far. Wolves should have serious shot at playoffs with some minimal roster improvement/depth.

Spurs - what are they doing? Collecting role players to offload to playoff teams at trade deadline? Should be worse next year losing best players Derozan and Mills.
Mavs - no help for Luka. Carlisle exodus could mean a step back.
Clips - will be worse next year without Kawhi. Still need to bring back Jackson.
Memphis - downgraded at center, seem to be taking one step back to retool for long haul
Portland - no roster improvement, this team looks ready to implode
Kings - still the Kings, still lacking frontcourt pieces and now more guard heavy than ever.
OKC - feisty team unloaded Horford, were shopping SGA, and look ready to tank harder next year

I was thinking about this myself. I feel like things are shifting a little more towards the East.

1. Utah - No worries, they seem to be reloading.
2. Phoenix - Most everyone will be back.
3. Denver - Will likely stay at the top, though Murray needs to get healthy.
4. LA Clippers - Will likely stay at the top, though Leonard needs to get healthy.
5. Dallas - I think they'll take a step back, but will still contend for the play-in.
6. Portland - Likely a play-in contender at best.
7. LA Lakers - Probably will be near the top with everyone healthy.
8. Memphis - Depending on internal growth.
9. Golden State - Probably will be near the top.
10. San Antonio - Tank job?
11. New Orleans - Shuffling the deck, but will it matter?
12. Sacramento - Nothing screams massive improvement.
13. Minnesota - Which team will show up?
14. Oklahoma City - Tank job?
15. Houston - Tank job?

I do think people will say the same things about us, but the reality is that most people weren't watching this team down the stretch last season. Do we want a massive overhaul? I think some would like more certainty of an improved squad, but I don't think we need a big change in order to be a playoff team.

I'm not sure if we need a massive overhaul, but the roster construction is currently a big mess.

KAT 34 / Reid 14
Juancho 24 / Prince 24
McDaniels 32 / Edwards 16
Edwards 18 / Beasley 30
DLo 32 / Nowell 16

This would leave Culver ($6.4MM), Okogie ($4.1MM), and Layman ($3.9MM) out of the rotation. And that's also not taking into account if Vanderbilt resigns and/or we use the MLE which could also push Juancho ($7MM) or Prince ($13MM) out of the rotation. Think about that for a second. We shouldn't be spending $20 million - $30 million on guys who are out of the rotation. That is really poor roster construction by Rosas.

It's hard to believe we would be willing to go into next season with the roster looking this way. I'm hoping that Rosas is just waiting for the dust to settle and other teams' trade demands are reduced. This roster is desperately in need of a consolidation trade so we can improve our starting 5 talent and reduce the wasteful salaries towards the bottom of the roster.

[Klomp]

I'm not sure if we need a massive overhaul, but the roster construction is currently a big mess.

KAT 34 / Reid 14
Juancho 24 / Prince 24
McDaniels 32 / Edwards 16
Edwards 18 / Beasley 30
DLo 32 / Nowell 16

This would leave Culver ($6.4MM), Okogie ($4.1MM), and Layman ($3.9MM) out of the rotation. And that's also not taking into account if Vanderbilt resigns and/or we use the MLE which could also push Juancho ($7MM) or Prince ($13MM) out of the rotation. Think about that for a second. We shouldn't be spending $20 million - $30 million on guys who are out of the rotation. That is really poor roster construction by Rosas.

It's hard to believe we would be willing to go into next season with the roster looking this way. I'm hoping that Rosas is just waiting for the dust to settle and other teams' trade demands are reduced. This roster is desperately in need of a consolidation trade so we can improve our starting 5 talent and reduce the wasteful salaries towards the bottom of the roster.

Is it the ideal roster construction? Probably not, but most teams not at the top of the league don't have the perfect roster. That's why they're not at the top.

Also think about it this way. We are at around $125 million. $30 million would be 24% of our total salaries which is spent on 33% of our roster (5/15 players will not be in the rotation no matter how you slice it). It's not that bad.

[Krapinsky]

I'm not sure if we need a massive overhaul, but the roster construction is currently a big mess.

KAT 34 / Reid 14
Juancho 24 / Prince 24
McDaniels 32 / Edwards 16
Edwards 18 / Beasley 30
DLo 32 / Nowell 16

This would leave Culver ($6.4MM), Okogie ($4.1MM), and Layman ($3.9MM) out of the rotation. And that's also not taking into account if Vanderbilt resigns and/or we use the MLE which could also push Juancho ($7MM) or Prince ($13MM) out of the rotation. Think about that for a second. We shouldn't be spending $20 million - $30 million on guys who are out of the rotation. That is really poor roster construction by Rosas.

It's hard to believe we would be willing to go into next season with the roster looking this way. I'm hoping that Rosas is just waiting for the dust to settle and other teams' trade demands are reduced. This roster is desperately in need of a consolidation trade so we can improve our starting 5 talent and reduce the wasteful salaries towards the bottom of the roster.

I see the rotation quite differently. Jmac and Vanderbilt will probably be back once dust settles. I think Rosas is trying to upgrade the PF position though S&T.

Dlo/Mclaughin
Edwards/Beasley
McDaniels/Okogie
Vanderbilt/Prince (could swap these guys or even swap McDaniels and Prince depending on match up and McDaniels' development)
Kat /Naz

Nowell / Juancho / Layman / Culver

[TheProdigy]

I'm not sure if we need a massive overhaul, but the roster construction is currently a big mess.

KAT 34 / Reid 14
Juancho 24 / Prince 24
McDaniels 32 / Edwards 16
Edwards 18 / Beasley 30
DLo 32 / Nowell 16

This would leave Culver ($6.4MM), Okogie ($4.1MM), and Layman ($3.9MM) out of the rotation. And that's also not taking into account if Vanderbilt resigns and/or we use the MLE which could also push Juancho ($7MM) or Prince ($13MM) out of the rotation. Think about that for a second. We shouldn't be spending $20 million - $30 million on guys who are out of the rotation. That is really poor roster construction by Rosas.

It's hard to believe we would be willing to go into next season with the roster looking this way. I'm hoping that Rosas is just waiting for the dust to settle and other teams' trade demands are reduced. This roster is desperately in need of a consolidation trade so we can improve our starting 5 talent and reduce the wasteful salaries towards the bottom of the roster.

Is it the ideal roster construction? Probably not, but most teams not at the top of the league don't have the perfect roster. That's why they're not at the top.

Also think about it this way. We are at around $125 million. $30 million would be 24% of our total salaries which is spent on 33% of our roster (5/15 players will not be in the rotation no matter how you slice it). It's not that bad.

24% of the total salary on out-of-rotation players would be very wasteful. I think (hope?) Rosas knows this as well, and that's why I'm somewhat optimistic that we're still going to see a trade once the league rosters settle after free agency.

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For you CBA nerds, I think Bobby may have mixed up the numbers slightly.

$455 mil gets cut in half - half to teams, half to the front office. $227.5. He got that right.

However, he divided the $227.5 by the 24 teams getting a slice to get his $9.5 mil figure. As I understand it, every team gets 1/30th, and get to keep their slice if they are under the lux. 1/30th is a $7.6 mil payout.

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This is one of the biggest payouts I can remember, and I think it’s a trend - more and more teams are willing to go farther over the lux for a chance at a ring. I also wanted to use this as an example to show you why crossing the lux is a big deal to other teams.

Suppose a team is just under the lux, and is trying to decide whether to add a $2 mil player. They end up paying

$2.0 mil salary
$3.0 mil lux penalties
$7.6 mil in losing their lux share
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$12.6 mil actual costs

Very few $2 mil players are going to be worth that. In addition, going over the lux multiple years may cost you down the road, because they may pay the much higher “repeated” tax if they cross the lux threshold three of four seasons.

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[TheProdigy]

I'm not sure if we need a massive overhaul, but the roster construction is currently a big mess.

KAT 34 / Reid 14
Juancho 24 / Prince 24
McDaniels 32 / Edwards 16
Edwards 18 / Beasley 30
DLo 32 / Nowell 16

This would leave Culver ($6.4MM), Okogie ($4.1MM), and Layman ($3.9MM) out of the rotation. And that's also not taking into account if Vanderbilt resigns and/or we use the MLE which could also push Juancho ($7MM) or Prince ($13MM) out of the rotation. Think about that for a second. We shouldn't be spending $20 million - $30 million on guys who are out of the rotation. That is really poor roster construction by Rosas.

It's hard to believe we would be willing to go into next season with the roster looking this way. I'm hoping that Rosas is just waiting for the dust to settle and other teams' trade demands are reduced. This roster is desperately in need of a consolidation trade so we can improve our starting 5 talent and reduce the wasteful salaries towards the bottom of the roster.

I see the rotation quite differently. Jmac and Vanderbilt will probably be back once dust settles. I think Rosas is trying to upgrade the PF position though S&T.

Dlo/Mclaughin
Edwards/Beasley
McDaniels/Okogie
Vanderbilt/Prince (could swap these guys or even swap McDaniels and Prince depending on match up and McDaniels' development)
Kat /Naz

Nowell / Juancho / Layman / Culver

My rotation would look very similar to yours if Vanderbilt comes back. The biggest differences are Nowell vs McLaughlin at back up point, and you have 10 guys in your rotation instead of 9. I'm curious how you think the minutes will shake out with Edwards and Beasley both playing shooting guard. Seems like there would have to be some overlap with small forward because you don't want them limited to 48 minutes combined.

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How did I never notice before right now that his first name wasn’t “A-aron?”

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How did I never notice before right now that his first name wasn’t “A-aron?”

Because you're shrink

[shrink]

How did I never notice before right now that his first name wasn’t “A-aron?”

Because you're shrink

Maybe I needed the extra focus on his last name, to not call him “Aaron Barnes?”

[Baseline81]

Sounds bleak from Dane and Doogie:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7hpNhfgxBXdHVITT50BTll?go=1&utm_source=embed_v3&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2F&t=0&nd=1

[moss_is_1]

Sounds bleak from Dane and Doogie:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7hpNhfgxBXdHVITT50BTll?go=1&utm_source=embed_v3&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2F&t=0&nd=1

Really shouldn't be surprising. Everyone is signed, we have no capspace, our best asset is someone currently in jail.

[SO_MONEY]

Sounds bleak from Dane and Doogie:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7hpNhfgxBXdHVITT50BTll?go=1&utm_source=embed_v3&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2F&t=0&nd=1

If you could paraphrase? Please.

[Baseline81]

If you could paraphrase? Please.

Basically, the Wolves haven't reached out to even lesser FA candidates. The two could see a situation where the team re-signs Vanderbilt and McLaughlin to run it back.

In regards to trade, as we all thought, Beasley remains the only positive asset. Wolves would love to be rid of Hernangomez and Culver. No one wants them. They both understood trading Rubio for Prince but unless another move is made, what did it actually provide?

[_AIJ_]

Lets all just hope that Ant takes it to the next level

[wolves_89]

A guy I'd be looking at would be Dennis Smith. The Wolves need a PG and he still has some upside. His numbers were decent with the Pistons at the end of last season, plus he should cost the minimum or slightly above.

[Baseline81]

A guy I'd be looking at would be Dennis Smith. The Wolves need a PG and he still has some upside. His numbers were decent with the Pistons at the end of last season, plus he should cost the minimum or slightly above.

But why?

Is he better than McLaughlin or Nowell?

[wolves_89]

A guy I'd be looking at would be Dennis Smith. The Wolves need a PG and he still has some upside. His numbers were decent with the Pistons at the end of last season, plus he should cost the minimum or slightly above.

But why?

Is he better than McLaughlin or Nowell?

He has a good chance of being better than McLaughlin (he was in limited minutes last year). Nowell is a combo guard and I still expect him to see most of his minutes at SG.