Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[Mattya]

Sixers fans: Oh my God, this guy is awful, he just cost us a playoff series. It's all good and well that he can defend and get out in transition but he's got such massive flaws that really hamper our ability to win a chip.

Also Sixers fans: Yeah, we're gonna need your #1 pick, potential superstar in any trade for our All NBA, All Defense guy thanks.

Clearly he is a valuable player, but he has proven he can’t be your second best player if you want to be a contender. So, in no way will a team trade a player like Edwards who has shown potential to be a #1 option as a rookie. That’s all while we ignore the money difference. We might not have the assets to trade for Simmons, but that doesn’t mean that Simmons can net Edwards either.

[King Malta]

Sixers fans: Oh my God, this guy is awful, he just cost us a playoff series. It's all good and well that he can defend and get out in transition but he's got such massive flaws that really hamper our ability to win a chip.

Also Sixers fans: Yeah, we're gonna need your #1 pick, potential superstar in any trade for our All NBA, All Defense guy thanks.

Clearly he is a valuable player, but he has proven he can’t be your second best player if you want to be a contender. So, in no way will a team trade a player like Edwards who has shown potential to be a #1 option as a rookie. That’s all while we ignore the money difference. We might not have the assets to trade for Simmons, but that doesn’t mean that Simmons can net Edwards either.

Oh I agree 100%.

I'm just laughing at a fanbase who places the blame of their playoff exit on the shoulders of one guy then attempting to bring back a massive haul for him via a trade.

[m2002brian]

All this Simmons talk is silly. We are better off without him and without DLo. A better scenario would be a three way trade where DLo (plus maybe more) out Simmons to third team, player and/or picks in.

Now what are the options? Brogdon? Murray (SA)? Fox? Smart? Picks?

[IceManBK1]

Anyone like the idea of getting Nerlens Noel and starting him next to Towns? As center on defense and pf on offense. I think he's alot quicker and athletic than ppl give him credit for. We could also get get a guy like Kris Dunn to come off the bench and play lockdown defense nxt to dlo and Edwards.

Dlo
Edwards
McDaniels
Noel
Towns

Dunn
Beasley
Layman
Hernangomez
Reid

If we don't land any star type players.

[Worm Guts]

Anyone like the idea of getting Nerlens Noel and starting him next to Towns? As center on defense and pf on offense. I think he's alot quicker and athletic than ppl give him credit for. We could also get get a guy like Kris Dunn to come off the bench and play lockdown defense nxt to dlo and Edwards.

Dlo
Edwards
McDaniels
Noel
Towns

Dunn
Beasley
Layman
Hernangomez
Reid

If we don't land any star type players.

Where did Rubio go? It's entirely possible that he's moved, but probably not to facilitate this type of scenario.

[Klomp]

OK I just got to thinking about sign and trades (often mentioned by Rosas this offseason) and out of nowhere this idea came into my head that hasn't really been discussed.

What about Jarrett Allen?

First of all, I know a lot of you want pure PF/C size. Allen meets that requirement no problem. He has the quickness to still defend on the perimeter if needed, though obviously he does his best work near the basket. He also has great camaraderie with D'Angelo Russell, and has fit well in a spacing system.

Why would Cleveland do this? A lot of draft pundits are saying they think Cleveland will draft Evan Mobley. They could still keep Allen, but may not want to at this stage of their rebuild. A S/T Allen in the $15-20 million range for Rubio and a lottery-protected 1st is where I think I would start those talks. Rubio can serve as a mentor to the Cavs' young guards while Allen helps the Wolves take a step forward. I think this would be a cheaper target than Myles Turner with similar impact.

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[Baseline81]

The Athletic:
https://theathletic.com/2703448/2021/07/13/sixers-opening-up-ben-simmons-trade-talks-knicks-interested-in-collin-sexton-plus-more-nba-news/?source=user_shared_article

Ben Simmons

The 76ers have opened up trade conversations surrounding Simmons and have engaged with teams, sources told The Athletic. Those sources also say that teams that have engaged with the 76ers about Simmons have been met with a high price threshold for the three-time All-Star.

“(The 76ers) want an All-Star-caliber player in return,” one source with knowledge of the ongoing talks said.

Make no mistake: Interest across the league in Simmons remains robust. He’s turning just 25 this month, was an All-NBA team member in 2019-20, is a two-time All-Defensive first-team member and a Rookie of the Year award winner. Simmons is under contract through 2025, making him the type of superstar talent that rarely becomes available at an attainable price at this juncture of his career.

John Collins

Across the league, many believe Hawks forward/center John Collins increased his value as a maximum contract-caliber player during Atlanta’s run to the Eastern Conference finals. In 18 postseason games, Collins averaged 13.9 points, 8.7 rebounds and 35.7 percent 3-point shooting.

Dallas, Miami, San Antonio and Minnesota are among the teams expected to show interest in Collins, believing he could be attainable as a restricted free agent, sources said. Hawks owner Tony Ressler said after the season that he hoped the team reached a “fair agreement” with Collins. Will the sides find that threshold?

[BlacJacMac]

I would love Jarrett Allen, but he's 23 and just scratching the surface of his potential. If you're rebuilding, he's an absolute keeper.

I think at 15-20M, they absolutely keep him. And I think his value is probably more than a protected 1st and an expiring.

[jpatrick]

I don’t think Allen is the type of player you pay 15-20 million for in the modern NBA. He’ll get played off the floor in the playoffs and he doesn’t really add significant value. I’d rather get someone like Nerlens or Theiss cheaper if we’re going that route. Or Turner if we’re giving up assets. Turner can space the floor and is a DPOY candidates, things Allen is not.

You just don’t pay centers nowadays unless they are special.

[Baseline81]

Why would Cleveland do this? A lot of draft pundits are saying they think Cleveland will draft Evan Mobley. They could still keep Allen, but may not want to at this stage of their rebuild. A S/T Allen in the $15-20 million range for Rubio and a lottery-protected 1st is where I think I would start those talks. Rubio can serve as a mentor to the Cavs' young guards while Allen helps the Wolves take a step forward. I think this would be a cheaper target than Myles Turner with similar impact.

With Sexton and Garland currently on the roster, why would the Cavs want Rubio?

[jpatrick]

This is one of those trades that will never happen,
But with rumors that Ball and Sexton are out from their current teams:

Philly in: Ball, Sexton
Out: Simmons, Protected #1

MN in: Simmons
Out: Beasley, Rubio, protected #1s x2

Cle in: Beasley, MN prot #1, Philly prot #1
Out: Sexton plus filler

NO in: Rubio, MN prot #1
Out: s/t Ball

Some filler would need to go in. Seems Ball would cover a lot of Sextons deficiencies and make a good backcourt to go with Embiid. With Sexton out, Beasley gives the Cavs a pure shooter to put between Garland and Okoro to go with Mobley. Ball is gone from NO anyway, the #1 is essentially to facilitate the deal and take on Rubio’s money for a year.

[Domejandro]

Why would Cleveland do this? A lot of draft pundits are saying they think Cleveland will draft Evan Mobley. They could still keep Allen, but may not want to at this stage of their rebuild. A S/T Allen in the $15-20 million range for Rubio and a lottery-protected 1st is where I think I would start those talks. Rubio can serve as a mentor to the Cavs' young guards while Allen helps the Wolves take a step forward. I think this would be a cheaper target than Myles Turner with similar impact.

With Sexton and Garland currently on the roster, why would the Cavs want Rubio?

Colin Sexton is being traded, but that aside, in this context, Rubio is a salary-filler.

[Slim Tubby]

Why would Cleveland do this? A lot of draft pundits are saying they think Cleveland will draft Evan Mobley. They could still keep Allen, but may not want to at this stage of their rebuild. A S/T Allen in the $15-20 million range for Rubio and a lottery-protected 1st is where I think I would start those talks. Rubio can serve as a mentor to the Cavs' young guards while Allen helps the Wolves take a step forward. I think this would be a cheaper target than Myles Turner with similar impact.

With Sexton and Garland currently on the roster, why would the Cavs want Rubio?

Colin Sexton is being traded, but that aside, in this context, Rubio is a salary-filler.

It sounds like the Knicks are making a strong effort to trade for Sexton.

[mplsfonz23]

I think we should have learned our lesson trading draft picks. If things don't go right in a couple of years we are going to need them to restock after KAT leaves.

[mplsfonz23]

With Sexton and Garland currently on the roster, why would the Cavs want Rubio?

Colin Sexton is being traded, but that aside, in this context, Rubio is a salary-filler.

It sounds like the Knicks are making a strong effort to trade for Sexton.

Him and Barrett would make a nice back court. Plus the Knicks have a sh*tload of cap space.

[jpatrick]

Colin Sexton is being traded, but that aside, in this context, Rubio is a salary-filler.

It sounds like the Knicks are making a strong effort to trade for Sexton.

Him and Barrett would make a nice back court. Plus the Knicks have a sh*tload of cap space.

I’m not a big Sexton guy. I think he’s essentially Lou Williams, someone that will score a ton on a bad team, but on a good team, can be a very good sixth man.

If the Knicks could land Ball in free agency and trade for Sexton, that’s not a bad looking team though and I love the fit.

Ball, Sexton, Barrett, Randle, Mitchell starting unit. I really like the idea of a team combining Ball/Sexton. Ball’s defense and length covers Sextons size issues and Sextons ability to get to the rim covers Balls biggest issues as a PG, he’s not dynamic 1-on-1 or in the pick and roll.

[moonpie]

I would still keep an eye out on Nance Jr if the Cavs feel he won't fit their rebuild timeline (he's currently 28). Much cheaper than Simmons and won't take as much to get. Also, the rumored Sexton package has Obi Toppin headed Cleveland's way as well so that 4 position could get crowded real quick

[moonpie]

Spoiler:

My take on the Wolves getting into a Sexton deal:

MIN - Nance is a great fit at the PF spot, bringing defense and versatility as well as some veteran chops being a 4 year college player and general high IQ player. Tremendous locker room presence by all accounts and has previous chemistry with DLO from their time in LA as well. Cedi is in this deal as incentive for our inclusion to take back his contract, but can provide some offense and playmaking off the bench. A big plus in this deal is being able to keep guys like Malik, Jaden, and Naz and not sending out any future 1st round picks.

NY - They really need a PG, especially with Rose possibly leaving. This is an extension of the rumored offer for Sexton where they get back two guys who, in theory, should fit well with Thibs as athletic wings that can D up and shoot in Prince and Layman. They take a salary hit this year, but those two are expiring K's and could be moved at the deadline as well.

CLE - Decide that Nance doesn't fit their rebuilding timeline. Ricky provides a stopgap veteran mentor option at the point for a young team; could probably really help Garland, Okoro, and whoever they draft at #3. They take fliers on young talent in Culver, Knox, and Toppin. Get a 1st from NY (I'm assuming it's the Dallas pick this year) and a couple of 2nds from the Wolves.

[Klomp]

Why would Cleveland do this? A lot of draft pundits are saying they think Cleveland will draft Evan Mobley. They could still keep Allen, but may not want to at this stage of their rebuild. A S/T Allen in the $15-20 million range for Rubio and a lottery-protected 1st is where I think I would start those talks. Rubio can serve as a mentor to the Cavs' young guards while Allen helps the Wolves take a step forward. I think this would be a cheaper target than Myles Turner with similar impact.

With Sexton and Garland currently on the roster, why would the Cavs want Rubio?

Same reason Utah found value in him. Same reason Utah found value in him. Same reason Minnesota found value in him.

A quality mentor for young guards, who is also on an expiring contract.

[SmokeyPaw]

Spoiler:

My take on the Wolves getting into a Sexton deal:

MIN - Nance is a great fit at the PF spot, bringing defense and versatility as well as some veteran chops being a 4 year college player and general high IQ player. Tremendous locker room presence by all accounts and has previous chemistry with DLO from their time in LA as well. Cedi is in this deal as incentive for our inclusion to take back his contract, but can provide some offense and playmaking off the bench. A big plus in this deal is being able to keep guys like Malik, Jaden, and Naz and not sending out any future 1st round picks.

NY - They really need a PG, especially with Rose possibly leaving. This is an extension of the rumored offer for Sexton where they get back two guys who, in theory, should fit well with Thibs as athletic wings that can D up and shoot in Prince and Layman. They take a salary hit this year, but those two are expiring K's and could be moved at the deadline as well.

CLE - Decide that Nance doesn't fit their rebuilding timeline. Ricky provides a stopgap veteran mentor option at the point for a young team; could probably really help Garland, Okoro, and whoever they draft at #3. They take fliers on young talent in Culver, Knox, and Toppin. Get a 1st from NY (I'm assuming it's the Dallas pick this year) and a couple of 2nds from the Wolves.

Dont think this is good for cleveland. 3 sketchy prospects and a late pick in weak draft for two actual assets.

I keep hearing that Cavs management is under pressure to make the playoffs. Think they need a a starter back for sexton.