The Andrew Wiggins Thread

Steve_Holiday · Post #461 » by **Steve_Holiday** » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:28 am

Kj McD is better than Jabari. But the sixers didn't need him.

MinotauroBigNog · Post #462 » by **MinotauroBigNog** » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:44 am

Zeitgeister wrote:
MinotauroBigNog wrote:Checking out the draft board, some 76er fan is obsessed with trashing wiggins (on different threads too) and keeps trying to convince himself Noel is and will be better.

You wouldn't be referring to 76iology would you? That guy has posted those BPM and VORP metrics in about 5 different threads now.

That's the one haha

Post #463 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:48 am

Dcebucks11 wrote:yup, i suggest not go there. A couple sixers fans were trying to convince me in like december when Jabari was healthy that KJ mcdaniels was going to be better than Jabari

That was Bill Simmons. Otherwise do you mind citing when a couple of Sixers' fans tried to convince you of this? I searched your posts with keyword 'McDaniels' and found nothing, although you did quote a fan that mentioned that excerpt from BS' podcast.

Regarding the Wiggins - Noel debate, don't believe Sixers' fans believe he will be better than Wiggins when they've both developed, Wiggins does have far more potential, just believe ROY is not as much of a runaway as it's being projected is all. That's what we've been on about at least.

shangrila · Post #464 » by **shangrila** » Sat Mar 7, 2015 9:05 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:
Dcebucks11 wrote:yup, i suggest not go there. A couple sixers fans were trying to convince me in like december when Jabari was healthy that KJ mcdaniels was going to be better than Jabari

That was Bill Simmons. Otherwise do you mind citing when a couple of Sixers' fans tried to convince you of this? I searched your posts with keyword 'McDaniels' and found nothing, although you did quote a fan that mentioned that excerpt from BS' podcast.

Regarding the Wiggins - Noel debate, don't believe Sixers' fans believe he will be better than Wiggins when they've both developed, Wiggins does have far more potential, just believe ROY is not as much of a runaway as it's being projected is all. That's what we've been on about at least.

That's cool. If you guys want to argue it's a country sized gap between Wiggins and everyone else rather than a continent sized one, have at it.

Post #465 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sat Mar 7, 2015 10:31 am

shangrila wrote:That's cool. If you guys want to argue it's a country sized gap between Wiggins and everyone else rather than a continent sized one, have at it.

It's your forum, I'm not trolling or going to antagonize, I just wanted to clarify what the discussion has actually been about and what it has not been about.

Saltine · Post #466 » by **Saltine** » Sat Mar 7, 2015 11:32 am

If you want to use advanced metrics, Gorgui destroys Noel, and we all know Gorgui has his issues

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=noelne01&p2=dienggo01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Post #467 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sat Mar 7, 2015 12:48 pm

Dieng is a more well rounded player right now for sure, although significant age gap.

Mattya · Post #468 » by **Mattya** » Sat Mar 7, 2015 3:38 pm

Saltine wrote:If you want to use advanced metrics, Gorgui destroys Noel, and we all know Gorgui has his issues
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=noelne01&p2=dienggo01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=
______ WS/48 __ BPM ___ VORP
Gorgui; .122 ___ 2.1 ____ 2.7
Nerlens; .059 ___ -0.1 ____ 0.9

If he hasn't produced better in these categories with the problems Gorgui has had this year then hopefully this shows the flaw in these advanced stats.

Post #469 » by **Worm Guts** » Sat Mar 7, 2015 4:02 pm

It shows that Gorgui is a better offensive player than Noel, which shouldn't be that surprising. Noel is a defensive savant, not necessarily anything special as an offensive player.

Mattya · Post #470 » by **Mattya** » Sat Mar 7, 2015 4:23 pm

Worm Guts wrote:It shows that Gorgui is a better offensive player than Noel, which shouldn't be that surprising. Noel is a defensive savant, not necessarily anything special as an offensive player.

Again if these are the statistics they want to use to say Noel should win ROY over Wiggins then something is wrong. Would anyone say the Dieng has been better than Wiggins this year?

Zeitgeister · Post #471 » by **Zeitgeister** » Sat Mar 7, 2015 4:27 pm

Mattya wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:It shows that Gorgui is a better offensive player than Noel, which shouldn't be that surprising. Noel is a defensive savant, not necessarily anything special as an offensive player.

Again if these are the statistics they want to use to say Noel should win ROY over Wiggins then something is wrong. Would anyone say the Dieng has been better than Wiggins this year?

They love BPM and VORP, and hate RPM.

Saltine · Post #472 » by **Saltine** » Sat Mar 7, 2015 7:41 pm

Mattya wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:It shows that Gorgui is a better offensive player than Noel, which shouldn't be that surprising. Noel is a defensive savant, not necessarily anything special as an offensive player.

Again if these are the statistics they want to use to say Noel should win ROY over Wiggins then something is wrong. Would anyone say the Dieng has been better than Wiggins this year?

Exactly what I was getting at :-)

Post #473 » by **Worm Guts** » Sat Mar 7, 2015 7:56 pm

Wiggins stats are deflated because he was terrible the first 20 games, especially in terms of advanced stats

Merc_Porto · Post #474 » by **Merc_Porto** » Sun Mar 8, 2015 2:16 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kq4MS9YsLo[/youtube]

Post #475 » by **C.lupus** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:33 pm

Masai Ujiri hinted strongly in an interview that the player he most covets for the Toronto Raptors is Andrew Wiggins.

Ujiri also promised that there will be a Canadian on the Raptors' roster at some point in his tenure.

“There is no doubt in my mind. . .during my time, even if my time is short, there will be a Canada playing for the Toronto Raptors, 100 per cent. I have no doubt in my mind, it’s something we think about every day, it’s something we study . . . the guys in the NBA, the ones outside the NBA, the younger kids, the kids in college, the kids playing overseas. We’re just waiting for that one to come.”

Jamaal Magloire is the only Canadian to have ever played for the Raptors.

Ujiri said he planned to hire a scout to concentrate on Canadian players “because the growth of the game here is so big.”

Ujiri was asked if there was one player he would love to see on the Raptors other than LeBron James.

“We all know who he is, I’m not even going to say his name,” Ujiri said, drawing cheers from the crowd.

In case there was any doubt, he added: “He might be Canadian.”

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236990/Masai-Ujiri-Promises-To-Have-Canadian-On-Roster-Hints-At-Andrew-Wiggins

This seems dangerously close to tampering to me. He should at least get a warning from the league.

From the CBA:

109. What is tampering?

Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team in order to negotiate for their services. The NBA may impose suspensions and/or fines up to $50,000 if tampering is discovered, however the league's practice has been to wait until a team lodges a complaint before investigating (but that's not to say they don't continue to monitor the league and won't take action independently if they discover that tampering has occurred). Here are some examples:

The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was the head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.
After Will Perdue left San Antonio in the 1999 offseason to sign with Chicago, he commented to the press about the possibility of the Bulls signing Tim Duncan and/or Grant Hill in 2000. The league considered this to be tampering, and issued Perdue a warning.

You may have noticed that when general managers and other team personnel talk to the press, they are careful to avoid talking about specific players who play for other teams. They do this in order to avoid tampering. The only allowed response when talking about players under contract with other teams is to decline comment.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q109

Mattya · Post #476 » by **Mattya** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:01 pm

It's as close as you can get to tampering without tampering. Not a good look.

Post #477 » by **C.lupus** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:34 pm

I hope the Wolves lodge an official complaint, just so there will be some documentation and awareness in the league office. They probably won't, though.

packforfreedom · Post #478 » by **packforfreedom** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:37 pm

also Ujiri doesn't give a ####
they will do stuff like this for the next years.

Grits n Gravy · Post #479 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:38 pm

How about we make Masai happy and trade Bennett and Pek for Jonas, Bruno, #21 and filler.

shangrila · Post #480 » by **shangrila** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:45 pm

Clearly they're talking about Anthony Bennett.

Honestly, don't let it get to you. It's just BS and Ujiri has been doing this crap ever since he got to Toronto.

Wiggins will be here for a long, long time. You can bank on it.