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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#461 » by chrbal » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:32 pm

At least you didn’t pick a euro stash in the lottery. Oh hi Orlando
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#462 » by Jedzz » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:58 pm

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Jedzz wrote: That's not a bad idea if they can't make a better move with the pick. Get an asset without messsing your roster up. Of course the only Euro stash of recent memory that ever finally came to play here was Rubio and that wasn't Wolves choice to make him wait. I'm probably forgetting someone. They could also trade it for a future pick as we are missing a future FRP at the moment. Sticking to one player from this draft seems like a wise move at this time, as long as they don't start kahning around too much with the others.

Pekovic didn't come over right away.
You could maybe classify Rasho the same way.

Rasho, Pek, and maybe Rubio could be considered stashes. I'm still waiting ti see Henk Norel debut.


Didn't Rasho play the very first season?

Pek stayed just long enough to get an overblown contract and then isntantly fell apart. You could say that contract and ultimately his foot injuries ended that eras run of Rubio/Love/Pek and left them unable to do anything about it.

None of these damned choices panned out. But imagine if they had just held onto Rubio and not wasted a #5 pick on Dunn thinking he would be better, not wasted a #6 thinking Culver could be the next PG savior. What could the team have done instead? Where would they be right now? One day maybe this fanbase will ask the team to stop screwing up the PG position and fix the rest of the problems. Now you know what happens, right? Enter Lamelo Ball.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#463 » by KGdaBom » Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:34 am

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Klomp wrote:Pekovic didn't come over right away.
You could maybe classify Rasho the same way.

Rasho, Pek, and maybe Rubio could be considered stashes. I'm still waiting ti see Henk Norel debut.


Didn't Rasho play the very first season?

Pek stayed just long enough to get an overblown contract and then isntantly fell apart. You could say that contract and ultimately his foot injuries ended that eras run of Rubio/Love/Pek and left them unable to do anything about it.

None of these damned choices panned out. But imagine if they had just held onto Rubio and not wasted a #5 pick on Dunn thinking he would be better, not wasted a #6 thinking Culver could be the next PG savior. What could the team have done instead? Where would they be right now? One day maybe this fanbase will ask the team to stop screwing up the PG position and fix the rest of the problems. Now you know what happens, right? Enter Lamelo Ball.

Yeah Pek did fall apart right after getting the big for it's time contract. Per Wiki he had three good years. I loved Pek. Nobody would try to punk us with him on the team. In his prime Pek would have bumped the Joel Embiid types right off the court. According to most reports he is now living life as a real life gangster back home.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Pekovi%C4%87
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#464 » by Mattya » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:09 pm

Johnson, Layman, Spellman, Evans for Horford and #21
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Post#465 » by minimus » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:43 pm

Mattya wrote:Johnson, Layman, Spellman, Evans for Horford and #21


I like KAT-Horford connection. Horford is a smart veteran, how might be that guy in locker room who might accelerate development of our defensive mentality. Horford has been complaining for years about playing at C, so starting him at PF might work. He is an excellent PnR defender, above average passer and solid 3pt spotup shooter. But he has been bad at rebounding, and he is not getting any younger. If he were even two years younger I'd trade for him in a minute. Even with this contract.
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Post#466 » by Jedzz » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:59 pm

If you are fine paying Horford 27 million for three more seasons to play PF as a 6-9 245 player, if Rosas was fine with that, than why couldn't Reid just play PF here? Is Reid to heavy?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#467 » by Klomp » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:13 pm

Horford's not the right type of 4 here either
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#468 » by Baseline81 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:16 pm

Mattya wrote:Johnson, Layman, Spellman, Evans for Horford and #21

If the Wolves are calling Philly, shouldn't it be for Simmons? Obviously, it would depend on how the lottery balls fall tonight.
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Post#469 » by Mattya » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:24 pm

Klomp wrote:Horford's not the right type of 4 here either


Who is the right type of 4 that you can get for this price? Not all moves are made to give you the perfect fit right away. This is taking on 2 extra years for the best player in the deal and getting a first for mostly expiring contracts. He can at least space the floor and brings toughness.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#470 » by Mattya » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:27 pm

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Mattya wrote:Johnson, Layman, Spellman, Evans for Horford and #21

If the Wolves are calling Philly, shouldn't it be for Simmons? Obviously, it would depend on how the lottery balls fall tonight.


I’d love Simmons, but is he even attainable? I’d trade every asset to build around Towns, Simmons and DLo. This is just using our flexibility to take on a longer contract who might be undervalued because of a poor fit.
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Post#471 » by Baseline81 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:41 pm

Mattya wrote:I’d love Simmons, but is he even attainable? I’d trade every asset to build around Towns, Simmons and DLo. This is just using our flexibility to take on a longer contract who might be undervalued because of a poor fit.

Unlikely but you never know.

The Celtics are looking like they'll sweep Philly. A change is needed, though it may just be Brown out as coach. Such a trade would give the 76ers a crack at whichever PG they envision playing well with Embiid, Richardson, Harris and Horford.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#472 » by minimus » Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:18 pm

I'd wait until some bubble teams blow up. With more resources after draft and FA market we might become good trade partners.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#473 » by minimus » Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:21 pm

Mattya wrote:
Klomp wrote:Horford's not the right type of 4 here either


Who is the right type of 4 that you can get for this price? Not all moves are made to give you the perfect fit right away. This is taking on 2 extra years for the best player in the deal and getting a first for mostly expiring contracts. He can at least space the floor and brings toughness.


Apart of veteran experience, passing and 3pt shooting, OO looks like young version of Horford.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#474 » by Jedzz » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:37 am

Baseline81 wrote:
Mattya wrote:Johnson, Layman, Spellman, Evans for Horford and #21

If the Wolves are calling Philly, shouldn't it be for Simmons? Obviously, it would depend on how the lottery balls fall tonight.


Rosas equals 3pt offense. 45 a game.

Simmons 3FG ability? He's sunk two in 3 playing seasons. Just not sure how that works.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#475 » by Baseline81 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:40 am

Jedzz wrote:Rosas equals 3pt offense. 45 a game.

Simmons 3FG ability? He's sunk two in 3 playing seasons. Just not sure how that works.

The way I would see it is Simmons actually handles the ball, which allows him to pass to the likes of Russell, Beasley and Towns. Simmons would then defend the SF or PF on defense.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#476 » by Jedzz » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:51 am

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Jedzz wrote:Rosas equals 3pt offense. 45 a game.

Simmons 3FG ability? He's sunk two in 3 playing seasons. Just not sure how that works.

The way I would see it is Simmons actually handles the ball, which allows him to pass to the likes of Russell, Beasley and Towns. Simmons would then defend the SF or PF on defense.


Sounds nice and rosey. Not sure how they pull off paying for all of them. Beasley needs to get paid yet. Then they have to send something or a lot of somethings to Philly and I have a sneaky feeling they are going to try to get one of those Hauls for him when he's only a 16ppg player. But what the hell. Let's risk being the second team to die on that wagon and find out.

Does taking Dlo off ball full time present a problem? Because where did the pick n roll hopes go? And it would have to be fulltime with Simmons. Unless maybe Simmons becomes our 4 and learns to shoot. yeah right. I mean your plan might work. he needs shooters around him.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#477 » by rulas95 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:00 am

For me the most realistic target would be Jrue Holiday!! Good D and its possible that NOP would be interested in the pick (Lamelo-Lonzo)
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#478 » by Jedzz » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:13 am

rulas95 wrote:For me the most realistic target would be Jrue Holiday!! Good D and its possible that NOP would be interested in the pick (Lamelo-Lonzo)
for the 1st overall? He's 30. Shoots no better than Dlo. So a two year rental for a 26milion/yr player that the Wolves already have a 30 million/yr player roped into that position for the next 3 years. I just don't know how that sounds wise for a #1 overall.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#479 » by Norseman79 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:15 am

Booker
Simmons
Beal
In that order
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#480 » by rulas95 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:17 am

Norseman79 wrote:Booker
Simmons
Beal
In that order

Simmons
Beal
Booker

The first two are better defenders than Book, but I think that the 3 are imposible right now.

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