Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

[lewdog]

He doesn't suck.

We should be reaching higher than Patrick Williams, I agree.

Scottie Barnes would fit that narrative nicely.

Scottie/Toronto would be another very logical option, depending on who they would make available.

We'd assuredly have to give up McDaniels for Barnes. I think both teams pass.

[Slim Tubby]

He doesn't suck.

We should be reaching higher than Patrick Williams, I agree.

Scottie Barnes would fit that narrative nicely.

He'd be tremendous. I doubt Toronto would do it though.

Agreed.

[Neeva]

Scottie Barnes would fit that narrative nicely.

Scottie/Toronto would be another very logical option, depending on who they would make available.

We'd assuredly have to give up McDaniels for Barnes. I think both teams pass.

Barnes regressed from his rookie year and i don’t see that changing tbh. I think he peaked as a rookie, same with Kessler.

[Colbinii]

I get enamored with trades and moves as much as anyone but I expect a quiet off-season.

Re-sign Reid [3/40, Player Option Year 3]
Re-sign Naw [3/24, Year 3 Unguaranteed]
Extend McDaniels [4/94]
Extend ANT [4/Rookie Max]
Trade Prince/2nd for Delon Wright

Conley/Wright
Edwards/NAW/Moore
McDaniels/Minott
KAT/SlowMo
Gobert/Reid

[Slim Tubby]

I get enamored with trades and moves as much as anyone but I expect a quiet off-season.

Re-sign Reid [3/40, Player Option Year 3]
Re-sign Naw [3/24, Year 3 Unguaranteed]
Extend McDaniels [4/94]
Extend ANT [4/Rookie Max]
Trade Prince/2nd for Delon Wright

Conley/Wright
Edwards/NAW/Moore
McDaniels/Minott
KAT/SlowMo
Gobert/Reid

It wouldn't be a sexy off-season but it would be highly efficient. I'm in the minority that would like to see a full season of what KAT and Rudy can do together.

Unless there is a trade for KAT that brings back a quality young player like Mykal Bridges, roll it back and hope that Ant and Jaden take yet another leap forward which both are quite capable of doing.

I'm not convinced that Coach Finch is the guy to lead this team moving forward, though. The late-game collapses, poor home record and losses to much less talented teams is a real concern.

Go Wolves!

[TimberKat]

I get enamored with trades and moves as much as anyone but I expect a quiet off-season.

Re-sign Reid [3/40, Player Option Year 3]
Re-sign Naw [3/24, Year 3 Unguaranteed]
Extend McDaniels [4/94]
Extend ANT [4/Rookie Max]
Trade Prince/2nd for Delon Wright

Conley/Wright
Edwards/NAW/Moore
McDaniels/Minott
KAT/SlowMo
Gobert/Reid

It wouldn't be a sexy off-season but it would be highly efficient. I'm in the minority that would like to see a full season of what KAT and Rudy can do together.

Unless there is a trade for KAT that brings back a quality young player like Mykal Bridges, roll it back and hope that Ant and Jaden take yet another leap forward which both are quite capable of doing.

I'm not convinced that Coach Finch is the guy to lead this team moving forward, though. The late-game collapses, poor home record and losses to much less talented teams is a real concern.

Go Wolves!

Are you really the minority? We should do a poll. I am in your camp. So there is at least 2 I would give Finch one more year but do see your point.

[Slim Tubby]

I get enamored with trades and moves as much as anyone but I expect a quiet off-season.

Re-sign Reid [3/40, Player Option Year 3]
Re-sign Naw [3/24, Year 3 Unguaranteed]
Extend McDaniels [4/94]
Extend ANT [4/Rookie Max]
Trade Prince/2nd for Delon Wright

Conley/Wright
Edwards/NAW/Moore
McDaniels/Minott
KAT/SlowMo
Gobert/Reid

It wouldn't be a sexy off-season but it would be highly efficient. I'm in the minority that would like to see a full season of what KAT and Rudy can do together.

Unless there is a trade for KAT that brings back a quality young player like Mykal Bridges, roll it back and hope that Ant and Jaden take yet another leap forward which both are quite capable of doing.

I'm not convinced that Coach Finch is the guy to lead this team moving forward, though. The late-game collapses, poor home record and losses to much less talented teams is a real concern.

Go Wolves!

Are you really the minority? We should do a poll. I am in your camp. So there is at least 2 I would give Finch one more year but do see your point.

The power of 2, Timber!

I have no issues giving Finch another season to see if corrections can be made. He's a very likeable guy and easy to root for.

[Mattya]

Trade KAT for Brandon Ingram.

Sign Dennis Schroder.

Resign Naz and NAW

Conley/Schroder/Jmac
Ant/NAW
Ingram/Prince/Moore
JMac/ Slowmo/Minott
Gobert/Naz

[Baseline81]

Trade KAT for Brandon Ingram.

Sign Dennis Schroder.

Resign Naz and NAW

Conley/Schroder/Jmac
Ant/NAW
Ingram/Prince/Moore
JMac/ Slowmo/Minott
Gobert/Naz

Wouldn't necessarily be against such a move, however, his availability is concerning.

Games
2020-21: 61
2021-22: 55
2022-23: 45

[LibertyPrime]

It wouldn't be a sexy off-season but it would be highly efficient. I'm in the minority that would like to see a full season of what KAT and Rudy can do together.

Unless there is a trade for KAT that brings back a quality young player like Mykal Bridges, roll it back and hope that Ant and Jaden take yet another leap forward which both are quite capable of doing.

I'm not convinced that Coach Finch is the guy to lead this team moving forward, though. The late-game collapses, poor home record and losses to much less talented teams is a real concern.

Go Wolves!

Are you really the minority? We should do a poll. I am in your camp. So there is at least 2 I would give Finch one more year but do see your point.

That makes 3 of us. I want to see how a full year with KAT/Gobert with Conley running the show and Jaden/Naz healthy turns out. We played a lot better towards the end. If, at that point, there isn't serious improvement, I'd start restructuring.

I agree about Finch though. He's had plenty of time to see what RG and KAT bring to the table and what they doesn't. If he can't create a system where those plusses are maximized and those negatives are minimized, then he's not the man for the job.

[urinesane]

I get enamored with trades and moves as much as anyone but I expect a quiet off-season.

Re-sign Reid [3/40, Player Option Year 3]
Re-sign Naw [3/24, Year 3 Unguaranteed]
Extend McDaniels [4/94]
Extend ANT [4/Rookie Max]
Trade Prince/2nd for Delon Wright

Conley/Wright
Edwards/NAW/Moore
McDaniels/Minott
KAT/SlowMo
Gobert/Reid

This would be a massively successful offseason imo.

[urinesane]

It wouldn't be a sexy off-season but it would be highly efficient. I'm in the minority that would like to see a full season of what KAT and Rudy can do together.

Unless there is a trade for KAT that brings back a quality young player like Mykal Bridges, roll it back and hope that Ant and Jaden take yet another leap forward which both are quite capable of doing.

I'm not convinced that Coach Finch is the guy to lead this team moving forward, though. The late-game collapses, poor home record and losses to much less talented teams is a real concern.

Go Wolves!

Are you really the minority? We should do a poll. I am in your camp. So there is at least 2 I would give Finch one more year but do see your point.

That makes 3 of us. I want to see how a full year with KAT/Gobert with Conley running the show and Jaden/Naz healthy turns out. We played a lot better towards the end. If, at that point, there isn't serious improvement, I'd start restructuring.

I agree about Finch though. He's had plenty of time to see what RG and KAT bring to the table and what they doesn't. If he can't create a system where those plusses are maximized and those negatives are minimized, then he's not the man for the job.

Are you kidding? Rudy came into training camp injured (and wiped out from Eurobasket 2022) and KAT had lost a bunch of weight and was depleted from an illness. THEN KAT goes out for 52 games after playing only 21 games at a NEW POSITION. That is the opposite of plenty of time.

Now that they got more games with KAT/Gobert AFTER KAT's injury they have something to actually work with (though a full season would have obviously been much more valuable).

They made the playoffs despite SO MUCH going wrong this season. Somehow the only things people remember are when Finch didn't call a time out or make a sub, it's kind of ridiculous. I am confident that with a full offseason, no Gobert Euroball, and a full training camp, Finch can finally get a system in place that puts them in a position to win a lot of games.

There was no way to do that last season. You don't create a system as the train is rolling and they never had time to design/implement one in the pre-season (nor did they fully know how players would fit until they actually saw it on the court).

I know people will point to the games against bad teams where the Wolves simply didn't show up... that's not all on Finch though.

That's on the players AND more importantly Tim Connelly for getting rid of guys like Vando/Beverly. If those two are on the roster this last season, those lapses don't happen. The coaches can't MAKE the players do anything, once the game is going it's more about them holding each other accountable than it is up to the coach to make some Ted Lasso-esque speech that turns everything around and lights a fire.

That being said THIS SEASON considering the circumstances he should have run a more structured system for the young players, so that they didn't have to think as much, but that's something you figure out after the fact (and Finch has admitted it himself).

I DO think that it's still good experience for the young guys to not have a predictable structure and have to learn to adapt to reacting to what is going on during the game (because when it works, it's very difficult to gameplan against). It's just that with that method you end up looking bad in a lot of situations until it clicks, but that's sort of how doing anything difficult goes.

You start off looking like Bambi on ice and improve over time until you are competent and able to do it.
If your ego is too fragile to go through the uncomfortable/ugly early periods, you will never accomplish anything that is difficult (or that you aren't good at right away).

I think it's actually refreshing that Finch is willing to pass up short term success in order to instill principles and skills in players that will lead to more sustained long term success. It's not the most enjoyable thing to watch short term (someone struggling in the moment), but vs the short term boost structure/predictability brings, it's outweighed by the long term results (hitting a ceiling with a system/structure and getting gameplanned out of it with nothing to fall back on later is how coaches get fired and teams get blown up).

Finch is not the problem with this team, but so many people are lashing out emotionally looking for anyone and everyone to blame.

Sometimes sh*tty things just happen and it's disappointing. How you respond to these things is MUCH more valuable than somehow avoiding any and all sh*tty things. That's not a sports fan thing, that's a quality of life thing.

[frankenwolf]

I get enamored with trades and moves as much as anyone but I expect a quiet off-season.

Re-sign Reid [3/40, Player Option Year 3]
Re-sign Naw [3/24, Year 3 Unguaranteed]
Extend McDaniels [4/94]
Extend ANT [4/Rookie Max]
Trade Prince/2nd for Delon Wright

Conley/Wright
Edwards/NAW/Moore
McDaniels/Minott
KAT/SlowMo
Gobert/Reid

It wouldn't be a sexy off-season but it would be highly efficient. I'm in the minority that would like to see a full season of what KAT and Rudy can do together.

Unless there is a trade for KAT that brings back a quality young player like Mykal Bridges, roll it back and hope that Ant and Jaden take yet another leap forward which both are quite capable of doing.

I'm not convinced that Coach Finch is the guy to lead this team moving forward, though. The late-game collapses, poor home record and losses to much less talented teams is a real concern.

Go Wolves!

Are you really the minority? We should do a poll. I am in your camp. So there is at least 2 I would give Finch one more year but do see your point.

Apparently, I'm just a forgotten signature!

[shrink]

I’m all for running it back, because I want to see what the team looks like - I need more data.

Dane recently made a lot of noise about the stats this year when Towns and Gobert played together. In those minutes, the team had a much better defensive rating than the best team in the NBA, and a worse offensive rating than the worst team, which was used to indict the pairing.

However, I think he is falling into the logical mistake of seeing an effect, and choosing the cause. Correlation does not equal causation.

First, these are team based stats, so the entire team plays a part in a successful offense or defense. But even more important, towns and Gobert only played together in 26 games, and 20 of them were at the start of the season! Remember that time. Towns started underweight from the hospital, Gobert was beat up by playing for the French National team. But more than this, nobody had time to figure out how to play with Gobert. DLo refused to change, and kept throwing bounce passes into Rudy’s knees, and Ant continually waved him off, refused the screen and went one on one.

This is where the bulk of the data comes from .. those last six games at season’s end didn’t look too bad, and we’ll have Mike Conley and SloMo (and hopefully the rest of the team), better prepared to play team ball. I don’t know if the experiment will work, but I am not going to dismiss it based on biased data, that might not represent what our true future could be.

[BlacJacMac]

Trade KAT for Brandon Ingram.

Sign Dennis Schroder.

Resign Naz and NAW

Conley/Schroder/Jmac
Ant/NAW
Ingram/Prince/Moore
JMac/ Slowmo/Minott
Gobert/Naz

Wouldn't necessarily be against such a move, however, his availability is concerning.

Games
2020-21: 61
2021-22: 55
2022-23: 45

Same for the guy we'd be trading for him...

2020-21: 50
2021-22: 74
2022-23: 29

[Guest84]

Couple questions…

What is keeping Kuminga from getting consistent time with the warriors? Attitude, iq, etc…?

Should he be a player the wolves consider trying to trade for? If so, what might it take and what would you be willing to give up for him?

[wolves_89]

I get enamored with trades and moves as much as anyone but I expect a quiet off-season.

Re-sign Reid [3/40, Player Option Year 3]
Re-sign Naw [3/24, Year 3 Unguaranteed]
Extend McDaniels [4/94]
Extend ANT [4/Rookie Max]
Trade Prince/2nd for Delon Wright

Conley/Wright
Edwards/NAW/Moore
McDaniels/Minott
KAT/SlowMo
Gobert/Reid

I'm onboard with the approach. The only improvement I'd hope for would be finding a different PG option than Wright. I'd be looking for a younger PG with more than 1 year of team control.

[Colbinii]

I get enamored with trades and moves as much as anyone but I expect a quiet off-season.

Re-sign Reid [3/40, Player Option Year 3]
Re-sign Naw [3/24, Year 3 Unguaranteed]
Extend McDaniels [4/94]
Extend ANT [4/Rookie Max]
Trade Prince/2nd for Delon Wright

Conley/Wright
Edwards/NAW/Moore
McDaniels/Minott
KAT/SlowMo
Gobert/Reid

I'm onboard with the approach. The only improvement I'd hope for would be finding a different PG option than Wright. I'd be looking for a younger PG with more than 1 year of team control.

The plan would be to move up in the 2nd or take one next year in the draft.

Wendell Moore Jr also still has potential, as does NAW.

But we aren't getting a promising and young PG unless its someone disappointing like Hayes in Detroit.

[Baseline81]

Same for the guy we'd be trading for him...

2020-21: 50
2021-22: 74
2022-23: 29

And that's one of the many knocks against Towns, especially when you consider his contract.

[Note30]

Gobert and Prince for

Adebayo and Robinson

No picks involved


Or

Gobert, Prince, Conley
For
Adebayo, Robinson, Herro

no picks involved