Summer league 2024 thread

[A1FromDay1]

So I watched the game on fast forward just to look for these misses, i found some at: 13m:45s 30m:30s 47m:00s, a nice made one at 1h:17m and a miss at the end 1:36:40. I'm curious how you 2 interpret them

I got the pie from a place which contains these very important words in a European Timberwolves fan life: watch, replay and net

[BlacJacMac]

Kyle Theige is not at all concerned about Dillingham.

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[Klomp]

Kyle Theige is not at all concerned about Dillingham.

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This is the thing.

Yes, Rob is small. WFL is correct that Kyle and Dane have brought it up multiple times. But they have not said that they are concerned about it.

[thinktank]

So I watched the game on fast forward just to look for these misses, i found some at: 13m:45s 30m:30s 47m:00s, a nice made one at 1h:17m and a miss at the end 1:36:40. I'm curious how you 2 interpret them

I got the pie from a place which contains these very important words in a European Timberwolves fan life: watch, replay and net

The most uncontested layup was the first one. I’m going off memory because I watched the game live.

He had somebody by him and he quicked him and I think he surprised himself that he was pretty open. But it was not an easy shot as he was flying through the air. He did miss it. One missed layup on a partial contest.

The other two weren’t even layups much less uncontested.

W4L, I see you were totally off the Wolves wagon and didn’t post for a long time before we started getting healthy. May want to just enjoy the team and be patient again.

[younggunsmn]

Kyle Theige is not at all concerned about Dillingham.

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This is the thing.

Yes, Rob is small. WFL is correct that Kyle and Dane have brought it up multiple times. But they have not said that they are concerned about it.

It's not being small that concerns me, it's the lack of balance he's displayed in summer league because he doesn't have enough strength in his lower body. Way too much horizontal movement on his jumpshot and he is not fluid the way a guy with his natural quickness should be in his movements on the floor.

When small guys succeed in the league a big part of that is usually that they have incredible balance and agility as a tradeoff for their size. Tyrese Maxey had the same size concerns coming into the league, also a Kentucky guy.
Rob can get there with improved strength and balance in his lower body, but it's not going to happen overnight, probably not even this year.

I'm tempering my expectations for him for this year.
He's 19 and a work in progress.
Guys like Ant who come into the league at 19 with the body of a 25 year old already are pretty rare.
It's not like he's Wendell Moore and coming in at 22 looking like a complete scrub though.

[winforlose]

So I watched the game on fast forward just to look for these misses, i found some at: 13m:45s 30m:30s 47m:00s, a nice made one at 1h:17m and a miss at the end 1:36:40. I'm curious how you 2 interpret them

I got the pie from a place which contains these very important words in a European Timberwolves fan life: watch, replay and net

The most uncontested layup was the first one. I’m going off memory because I watched the game live.

He had somebody by him and he quicked him and I think he surprised himself that he was pretty open. But it was not an easy shot as he was flying through the air. He did miss it. One missed layup on a partial contest.

The other two weren’t even layups much less uncontested.

W4L, I see you were totally off the Wolves wagon and didn’t post for a long time before we started getting healthy. May want to just enjoy the team and be patient again.

A lot happened during that time, I watched some of the games but life was pretty crazy. Not so much about the team as about my life. While I do appreciate the invitation to shut up and go away, I think there is room for more opinions than just yours, thanks.

You asked me to find timecodes, I did. You tell me you cannot check, I did. The NBA.com play by play called 2 of the three layups, and no one was in the air with him. What do you call that if not uncontested. As for the third, the contest was far enough away as to be questionable. In any case I can accept that he had a bad night, as he is having a bad summer league. All I ask from you is not going out of your way to convince me that his struggles are positive sign. At best they are neutral, as plenty of guys struggle at SL and find their way afterward. I heard today that Tyus Jones was a summer league MVP, if you want me to believe that his being good in SL doomed his career, I have trouble buying that.

[minimus]

It's not being small that concerns me, it's the lack of balance he's displayed in summer league because he doesn't have enough strength in his lower body. Way too much horizontal movement on his jumpshot and he is not fluid the way a guy with his natural quickness should be in his movements on the floor.

When small guys succeed in the league a big part of that is usually that they have incredible balance and agility as a tradeoff for their size. Tyrese Maxey had the same size concerns coming into the league, also a Kentucky guy.
Rob can get there with improved strength and balance in his lower body, but it's not going to happen overnight, probably not even this year.

I'm tempering my expectations for him for this year.
He's 19 and a work in progress.
Guys like Ant who come into the league at 19 with the body of a 25 year old already are pretty rare.
It's not like he's Wendell Moore and coming in at 22 looking like a complete scrub though.

Yeah, this concern is legit. However, I see many positive signs, even in these chaotic SL games:

- whole MIN team in SL plays very aggressive on ball defense, and Rob in his 3rd game against PHI played with same level of physicality and effort. I love this development

- Chris Hines said multiple times that at the moment Rob is asked to make plays for others, involve teammates in offense. This is first priority, they run same sets, same play as main team. And I can see how MIN tries to protect him at some degree. I expect MIN asking Rob in regular season to play same role and gradually grow as scorer, while developing his body and adjusting to NBA

- I also noticed how high Rob jumps when he shoots and slashes. I hope Conley will help him here, because you can see how Conley plays "low" for instance when Conley shoots catches and shoots he barely jumps, but he has different quicker release.

Ive found old article about Conley in MEM, I was surprised how Rob's and Mike's situations are similar:

- both happened to be quick, undersized and skilled guards

- both happened to play for defensive minded teams with DPOY

- both happened to play for defensive minded teams with very clear identity aka Grit-n-Grind

Sure, Mike is jacked, has developed his body. I hope Rob will follow this path as well. But the first improvements that can be quick wins might be done even without huge Rob body development:

- build chemistry with bigs, something that SL did not favour much. You still can see excellent fastbreak, dump off, sling passes from Rob, such as multiple Shannon and Edwards dunks. But the real juice here might be DHO, PnR with Reid (Towns, Gobert). Side effect of having such type of scorer and shooter is that referees might be less happy to whistle a moving screen when so much attention is attracted by Rob. Also Gobert screens are kind of waiting for such shooters, till now only Conley and Edwards are using them regularly

- develop and use floater more


source: https://www.theringer.com/2017/4/3/16036240/mike-conley-jr-memphis-grizzlies-point-guard-highlights-1a309d14c643

[thinktank]

So I watched the game on fast forward just to look for these misses, i found some at: 13m:45s 30m:30s 47m:00s, a nice made one at 1h:17m and a miss at the end 1:36:40. I'm curious how you 2 interpret them

I got the pie from a place which contains these very important words in a European Timberwolves fan life: watch, replay and net

The most uncontested layup was the first one. I’m going off memory because I watched the game live.

He had somebody by him and he quicked him and I think he surprised himself that he was pretty open. But it was not an easy shot as he was flying through the air. He did miss it. One missed layup on a partial contest.

The other two weren’t even layups much less uncontested.

W4L, I see you were totally off the Wolves wagon and didn’t post for a long time before we started getting healthy. May want to just enjoy the team and be patient again.

A lot happened during that time, I watched some of the games but life was pretty crazy. Not so much about the team as about my life. While I do appreciate the invitation to shut up and go away, I think there is room for more opinions than just yours, thanks.

You asked me to find timecodes, I did. You tell me you cannot check, I did. The NBA.com play by play called 2 of the three layups, and no one was in the air with him. What do you call that if not uncontested. As for the third, the contest was far enough away as to be questionable. In any case I can accept that he had a bad night, as he is having a bad summer league. All I ask from you is not going out of your way to convince me that his struggles are positive sign. At best they are neutral, as plenty of guys struggle at SL and find their way afterward. I heard today that Tyus Jones was a summer league MVP, if you want me to believe that his being good in SL doomed his career, I have trouble buying that.

You can cherry pick SL examples all day but the bottom line is SL is too NOISY to draw any legit conclusions.

You made the claim so that’s up to you to support it, not me. I responded to each play based on what I saw live at the time. I’ll entertain you and watch each play in question again because you know I have it taped.

[Sealab2024]

Irritating that they set tonight's game for 10 PM. Basketball junkies work too ya know NBA.

[winforlose]

So do we expect more or less than 80 free throws tonight? Anyone know the summer league record?

[winforlose]

Rd showing great floor vision in transition consistently in summer league.

[winforlose]

Josh Minott really is like the love child of MCD and V8. If only he could consistently hit an open corner 3 .

[wolves_89]

Josh Minott really is like the love child of MCD and V8. If only he could consistently hit an open corner 3 .

I think that being able to hit open 3s is going to be the deciding factor on whether he becomes a rotation player or not.

[Sealab2024]

Dillingham starting to settle in and man the kid is talented. Some guys you draft have measurables and you gotta teach them basketball, big bust rate with those guys. Dillingham is a basketball player they have to work with on certain measurables; way, way lower bust rate with these guys.

[winforlose]

Josh Minott really is like the love child of MCD and V8. If only he could consistently hit an open corner 3 .

I think that being able to hit open 3s is going to be the deciding factor on whether he becomes a rotation player or not.

That and his offensive rebounding when he gets an opportunity. If he creates possessions like JO or V8 he will get more opportunities.

[winforlose]

Pretend we dump Jesse Edwards. Has anyone not already committed to an NBA team stood out in Summer League? Especially a big?

[Sealab2024]

Josh was going for the gold on that drive . too bad he was fouled.

[winforlose]

I say this without knowing what happened to make Hifi leave, and wishing him and his family well, whatever the circumstances. I don’t miss Hifi on the floor. The offense just didn’t flow well with him out there. Small sample size, but it does stand out a bit.

[Mattya]

Finally figured out who Minott moves like… Rodney Carney

[wolves_89]

Dillingham has great upside, but I'm far from confident he's ready for a significant role to start the season. He's really struggling to finish in the paint and that's only going to get harder against NBA level players.