The official fire Chris Finch thread

[Slim Tubby]

every other west team fan base would want their head coach’s head on a platter after two west finals appearances where they CHOKED were completely outclassed and flat out outcoached! Except the wolves fan base that are content with just getting close because they are afraid they will hire someone worse than mid Finch. Soo much ptsd with Minnesotan fans

I see no reason to believe that if we fired Finch we would get somebody better. Back to Back seasons being one of the final 4 teams playing for the championship is really good.

You are classic example of an easy to please Minnesota fan that is content with getting CLOSE.

This is really poor form, Neeva. There is no correlation between showing an appreciation for what has been accomplished versus what you ultimately aspire for your team.

I'm not sure how you possibly achieve any enjoyment out of sports in general with your mindset. Rage is a far easier reaction than a true understanding of how difficult it is to win a Championship.

Shaming other Wolves fans for enjoying the level of success we achieved over the last 2-3 years is nothing short of trolling those that share your passion to accomplish greatness.

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[Greenbolt90]

why do people keep saying 'back to back west finals' as an argument to keep Finch when the warriors didn't even have Steph? like, how meaningful can this year's west finals appearance be when that's how we got there?

[Slim Tubby]

why do people keep saying 'back to back west finals' as an argument to keep Finch when the warriors didn't even have Steph? like, how meaningful can this year's west finals appearance be when that's how we got there?

For your sake, I really hope you're a 12-year old GSW fan.

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[Note30]

:lol: every other west team fan base would want their head coach’s head on a platter after two west finals appearances where they CHOKED were completely outclassed and flat out outcoached! Except the wolves fan base that are content with just getting close because they are afraid they will hire someone worse than mid Finch. Soo much ptsd with Minnesotan fans

I see no reason to believe that if we fired Finch we would get somebody better. Back to Back seasons being one of the final 4 teams playing for the championship is really good.

You are classic example of an easy to please Minnesota fan that is content with getting CLOSE.

As opposed to what? We don't have the talent to win it all.

It can't be done.

The main argument for firing Finch is conflated with the issue that we just don't have the talent to do better.

You either believe we have it, or you believe Finch is **** it up.

If we had this exact roster added a good PG like Maxey and s better PF in Durant and still lost then 100% fire his ass tomorrow. But we don't. This talent gap is too wide to blame it on just coaching. Look at OKC and Indiana. They both have incredibly deep rosters with tons of adept guards who can handle, facilitate, and score. We have none of those things.

Blaming Finch and firing him is like expecting a child lemonade stand to compete with Minute Maid.

[shrink]

why do people keep saying 'back to back west finals' as an argument to keep Finch when the warriors didn't even have Steph? like, how meaningful can this year's west finals appearance be when that's how we got there?

As opposed to losing to GSW?

The truth is, there are several accomplishments a team must make to make back-to-back WCF’s. First, your team needs to make the playoffs. The last two years, we did that, without even having to be in the play in, so that’s an accomplishment. To reach the WCF twice, your team has to defeat four other playoff teams to get there. We did that, and often as the underdog.

- Against PHX, it was trendy to pick MIN to lose, because our vaunted defense prevented shots at the rim and from the perimeter. The Suns though had several terrific shooters that were so good at midrange, they are analytically positive shots. Beat them 4-0.

- Against DEN, we were clearly the underdogs, and most experts gave us little hope of defeating Jokic and the champs. 4-3. And the Nuggets haven’t beaten the Wolves since then, fwiw.

- Against the third-seed Lakers, we were again the underdogs. The Lakers had made the trade for Luca and lost a center, which people stress now as an excuse for why they lost, but that same team was red hot at the end of the season, having an even better record for the end of the season than we did. We were Vegas underdogs, and beat them 4-1.

- Against the Warriors, people stress that they didn’t have Steph, which was a huge blow. But GSW was a play in team, who struggled at the end of the season WITH Steph, and maybe only advanced against a talented HOU team because the Rockets were so inexperienced. MIN was favored against the Warriors even when they had Steph, and would likely have beaten them if Curry was not hurt. The Wolves didn’t even need to play average to win 4-1.

They happened with Finch in charge. Dismissing two WCFs because Steph didn’t play seems to be nitpicking, and ignoring many great accomplishments to get there.

[Norseman79]

My issue with Finch is I don't think he is maximizing Ant for the sake of "team" ball, his team routinely comes out flat/under performs and his rotations are questionable.

[Note30]

My issue with Finch is I don't think he is maximizing Ant for the sake of "team" ball, his team routinely comes out flat/under performs and his rotations are questionable.

Except that fans here were also complaining about Finch keeping Ant in too long in games earlier this season and were saying how he's not developing into a facilitating guard.

The dude is statistically better every year not sure how little of that can be placed on Finch.

[Baseline81]

As opposed to what? We don't have the talent to win it all.

It can't be done.

The main argument for firing Finch is conflated with the issue that we just don't have the talent to do better.

You either believe we have it, or you believe Finch is **** it up.

If we had this exact roster added a good PG like Maxey and s better PF in Durant and still lost then 100% fire his ass tomorrow. But we don't. This talent gap is too wide to blame it on just coaching. Look at OKC and Indiana. They both have incredibly deep rosters with tons of adept guards who can handle, facilitate, and score. We have none of those things.

Blaming Finch and firing him is like expecting a child lemonade stand to compete with Minute Maid.

Stopped after reading the underline.

What would you say if the Pacers win the NBA Finals? Indiana finished the regular season 50-32. Minnesota 49-33. Is there that much a talent discrepancy between the two?

[Note30]

As opposed to what? We don't have the talent to win it all.

It can't be done.

The main argument for firing Finch is conflated with the issue that we just don't have the talent to do better.

You either believe we have it, or you believe Finch is **** it up.

If we had this exact roster added a good PG like Maxey and s better PF in Durant and still lost then 100% fire his ass tomorrow. But we don't. This talent gap is too wide to blame it on just coaching. Look at OKC and Indiana. They both have incredibly deep rosters with tons of adept guards who can handle, facilitate, and score. We have none of those things.

Blaming Finch and firing him is like expecting a child lemonade stand to compete with Minute Maid.

Stopped after reading the underline.

What would you say if the Pacers win the NBA Finals? Indiana finished the regular season 50-32. Minnesota 49-33. Is there that much a talent discrepancy between the two?

Well if you read the rest of the post you'd see exactly what the talent discrepancy is.

But go off bro. Keep using non contextual numbers and stats to prop up your beliefs.

[Baseline81]

Well if you read the rest of the post you'd see exactly what the talent discrepancy is.

But go off bro. Keep using non contextual numbers and stats to prop up your beliefs.

To be clear, going into the season, I'm sure you had Indiana as the favorite to come out the Eastern Conference...

After all, the Pacers, according to you, have "an incredibly deep roster with tons of adept guards who can handle, facilitate, and score."

[Norseman79]

My issue with Finch is I don't think he is maximizing Ant for the sake of "team" ball, his team routinely comes out flat/under performs and his rotations are questionable.

Except that fans here were also complaining about Finch keeping Ant in too long in games earlier this season and were saying how he's not developing into a facilitating guard.

The dude is statistically better every year not sure how little of that can be placed on Finch.

I think he tries to make him do too much facilitating. I said he isn't maximizing Edwards, I didn't say he hasn't done a decent job developing him.

[Note30]

My issue with Finch is I don't think he is maximizing Ant for the sake of "team" ball, his team routinely comes out flat/under performs and his rotations are questionable.

Except that fans here were also complaining about Finch keeping Ant in too long in games earlier this season and were saying how he's not developing into a facilitating guard.

The dude is statistically better every year not sure how little of that can be placed on Finch.

I think he tries to make him do too much facilitating. I said he isn't maximizing Edwards, I didn't say he hasn't done a decent job developing him.

And Ant is becoming a better facilitator each year. By making him a better player Id say he's maximizing what he can do.

But I'm guessing you mean more in the fact of maximizing his current abilities?

[Note30]

Well if you read the rest of the post you'd see exactly what the talent discrepancy is.

But go off bro. Keep using non contextual numbers and stats to prop up your beliefs.

To be clear, going into the season, I'm sure you had Indiana as the favorite to come out the Eastern Conference...

After all, the Pacers, according to you, have "an incredibly deep roster with tons of adept guards who can handle, facilitate, and score."

I didn't. I thought it would be Boston, who have the same sort of depth but older.

[shrink]

As opposed to what? We don't have the talent to win it all.

It can't be done.

The main argument for firing Finch is conflated with the issue that we just don't have the talent to do better.

You either believe we have it, or you believe Finch is **** it up.

If we had this exact roster added a good PG like Maxey and s better PF in Durant and still lost then 100% fire his ass tomorrow. But we don't. This talent gap is too wide to blame it on just coaching. Look at OKC and Indiana. They both have incredibly deep rosters with tons of adept guards who can handle, facilitate, and score. We have none of those things.

Blaming Finch and firing him is like expecting a child lemonade stand to compete with Minute Maid.

This seems to be the heart of the division to me.

Some posters are disappointed that we didn’t win a championship this year (and mad at other posters t whose feelings aren’t as disappointed as they are!). They look at the organization and try to assess blame. If they don’t want to blame the players for underperforming their high assessment, or the prospects for underperforming their high assessments, they are left blaming Finch, and he becomes the scapegoat.

I’m not sure there is blame to be laid out, but if there is, I think realistically that it should be spread around. Connelly’s KAT trade may have been a good one, but the timing left us shallow at back up PG and Center, and forced a lot of integration on the fly. Finch had to figure out how to make it work, and he has certainly made good choices and bad ones. And the players were inconsistent in reaching their maximum production, in effort and following the game plan, and they deserve criticism for that.

If you’re frustrated with two WCF’s, that’s fair - that’s how you feel. I see progress and growth, and I’m optimistic with our two key pieces in Ant and Jaden being so young and likely to improve. But even if you’re frustrated, I think it’s only fair to point the finger at more than Finch, and be realistic about what a likely outcome for the year was.

[BlacJacMac]

My issue with Finch is I don't think he is maximizing Ant for the sake of "team" ball, his team routinely comes out flat/under performs and his rotations are questionable.

Except that fans here were also complaining about Finch keeping Ant in too long in games earlier this season and were saying how he's not developing into a facilitating guard.

The dude is statistically better every year not sure how little of that can be placed on Finch.

I think he tries to make him do too much facilitating. I said he isn't maximizing Edwards, I didn't say he hasn't done a decent job developing him.

He's 23.

I'd rather push him to do too much and then pull back if needed then never find out what he's capable of.

[BlacJacMac]

why do people keep saying 'back to back west finals' as an argument to keep Finch when the warriors didn't even have Steph? like, how meaningful can this year's west finals appearance be when that's how we got there?

So if we add in Curry and remove Kuminga's 24 PPG on an eFG of better than 60%, how badly do we get blown out?

[Baseline81]

This seems to be the heart of the division to me.

Some posters are disappointed that we didn’t win a championship this year (and mad at other posters t whose feelings aren’t as disappointed as they are!). They look at the organization and try to assess blame. If they don’t want to blame the players for underperforming their high assessment, or the prospects for underperforming their high assessments, they are left blaming Finch, and he becomes the scapegoat.

I’m not sure there is blame to be laid out, but if there is, I think realistically that it should be spread around. Connelly’s KAT trade may have been a good one, but the timing left us shallow at back up PG and Center, and forced a lot of integration on the fly. Finch had to figure out how to make it work, and he has certainly made good choices and bad ones. And the players were inconsistent in reaching their maximum production, in effort and following the game plan, and they deserve criticism for that.

If you’re frustrated with two WCF’s, that’s fair - that’s how you feel. I see progress and growth, and I’m optimistic with our two key pieces in Ant and Jaden being so young and likely to improve. But even if you’re frustrated, I think it’s only fair to point the finger at more than Finch, and be realistic about what a likely outcome for the year was.

I have yet to see one poster on this forum say it's ALL Finch's fault.

The issue, you and others, are unable to comprehend, is that the team should be doing better, and that's not necessarily reaching the NBA Finals, but rather when you look at in-game improvements, pre-game plans, etc.

[shrink]

This seems to be the heart of the division to me.

Some posters are disappointed that we didn’t win a championship this year (and mad at other posters t whose feelings aren’t as disappointed as they are!). They look at the organization and try to assess blame. If they don’t want to blame the players for underperforming their high assessment, or the prospects for underperforming their high assessments, they are left blaming Finch, and he becomes the scapegoat.

I’m not sure there is blame to be laid out, but if there is, I think realistically that it should be spread around. Connelly’s KAT trade may have been a good one, but the timing left us shallow at back up PG and Center, and forced a lot of integration on the fly. Finch had to figure out how to make it work, and he has certainly made good choices and bad ones. And the players were inconsistent in reaching their maximum production, in effort and following the game plan, and they deserve criticism for that.

If you’re frustrated with two WCF’s, that’s fair - that’s how you feel. I see progress and growth, and I’m optimistic with our two key pieces in Ant and Jaden being so young and likely to improve. But even if you’re frustrated, I think it’s only fair to point the finger at more than Finch, and be realistic about what a likely outcome for the year was.

I have yet to see one poster on this forum say it's ALL Finch's fault.

The issue, you and others, are unable to comprehend, is that the team should be doing better, and that's not necessarily reaching the NBA Finals, but rather when you look at in-game improvements, pre-game plans, etc.

WHY do you simply state the team SHOULD be doing better?

Because the players are so good? The roster construction is great? The players reach their maximum production? Why?

[Baseline81]

WHY do you simply state the team SHOULD be doing better than WCF appearances?

Because the players are so good?

Read it again, shrink.

I didn't say the team should be doing better than WCF appearances.

[Norseman79]

Except that fans here were also complaining about Finch keeping Ant in too long in games earlier this season and were saying how he's not developing into a facilitating guard.

The dude is statistically better every year not sure how little of that can be placed on Finch.

I think he tries to make him do too much facilitating. I said he isn't maximizing Edwards, I didn't say he hasn't done a decent job developing him.

And Ant is becoming a better facilitator each year. By making him a better player Id say he's maximizing what he can do.

But I'm guessing you mean more in the fact of maximizing his current abilities?

I'm saying you don't turn a guard dog into a lap dog. Yes it's good that parts of his game are developing, but are we maximizing his scoring? Are we running sets for him? Is there set plays to get him open and isolated on the box? Are we doing more than just say clearing out and letting him ISO somebody? Everything should be designed around maximizing Edwards, not trying to turn Edwards into what fits the offense.