The Official Jaden McDaniels Thread

[BlacJacMac]

Connelly thought their offer “was really really nice.” Jaden apparently didn’t.

Minnesota and Reid were thousands apart not long before a deal eventually got done. We're still fairly early on, there's no deadline pressuring either side to need to waver at this point.

Thousands maybe true for my next job. In the NBA it's millions apart If we think Towns' contract was bad, I can't believe how much Bane got. That is Tobias Harris 2.0.

I have no problem with Bane's deal.

He's incredibly consistent. He's a career 47/43/88 shooter that has never had an offseason shooting (3 years Pro, 4 years college). He's also created a higher % of his own offense each year without losing efficiency.

He's gotten better as a rebounder and passer each year (6 and 5 PER36 last year), and he's a positive on defense.

[TimberKat]

Wolfson is reporting JMcd's contract in 21m to 24m range. Saying both sides are moving forward.

Hopefully they are only thousands apart

[BlacJacMac]

Wolfson is reporting JMcd's contract in 21m to 24m range. Saying both sides are moving forward.

Hopefully they are only thousands apart

I'd be thrilled with a 5 year with an AAV of 24M.

[TimberKat]

Just wondering, if JMcD decides not to sign a contract this year, he will be a restricted free agent next season? We have a bunch of players that we could let go such as Brown, Milton, and Conley, to sign him and stay below 2nd apron? We don't want that but can be done right?

[Domejandro]

$110MM/4 was my expectation for Minnesota's (flexible) topline offer, so anything under that would be awesome.

[KATKlownFeet]

Just wondering, if JMcD decides not to sign a contract this year, he will be a restricted free agent next season? We have a bunch of players that we could let go such as Brown, Milton, and Conley, to sign him and stay below 2nd apron? We don't want that but can be done right?

I see no reason we can't resign McDaniels without cutting anyone currently on the roster. Milton is on a cheap deal. If he plays well, its an easy decision to keep him. I might be in the minority on this, but I like Milton more than I do Naz Reid and he's on a much cheaper deal. But no reason we can't keep Milton, Brown and try to sign Conley for a cheap deal. Second apron wouldn't kill Wolves and the ownership must be open to paying taxes when they signed off on the Gobert trade. I'd rather keep our team intact if they are a top four team even if it means we go over second apron and deal with whatever consequences that results in. If the roster is humming, I'd like to run it back a while longer even if we have no MLE and our ability to trade is hampered. We might only have one or two open spots if we can resign SloMo and Conley and we'll bring in one draftee and maybe one minimum guy (who might be a decent guy who is chasing a ring). The only thing we need is a point guard to succeed Conley if he won't resign cheaply to return and we might have him already on the roster if Milton, SloMo or Ant are capable of being that guy, or else we bring in a Monte Morris or Tyus Jones if we have the ability to sign them in free agency or if not trade for them by deadline.

[shrink]

Just wondering, if JMcD decides not to sign a contract this year, he will be a restricted free agent next season?

Yes, and for others that don’t know, it would give us the right to match any other team’s offer for Jaden and keep him. All this talk is about extending his contract a year before he reaches free agency.

We have a bunch of players that we could let go such as Brown, Milton, and Conley, to sign him and stay below 2nd apron? We don't want that but can be done right?

Yes, we have several players that are either expiring this year (Conley, SloMo, McLaughlin), or on unguaranteed contracts (Milton, Brown Jr, McLaughlin) and Wendell Moore Jr has a $2.5 mil team option for next year we would have to decide on before Oct. 31.

[younggunsmn]

Just wondering, if JMcD decides not to sign a contract this year, he will be a restricted free agent next season? We have a bunch of players that we could let go such as Brown, Milton, and Conley, to sign him and stay below 2nd apron? We don't want that but can be done right?

We can let them go. Would only save us the difference between their salaries and a minimum contract though.
Vet min will be about 2.2 million.

Brown option for 4 million and Milton for 5 million.

I think whether they are back depends on how well they play, if they are good and contributing that's a bargain.
If they are not good or getting DNP-CD'd consistently, probably not worth it.

Conley, it may come down to money though on whether he is back.

[younggunsmn]

Wolfson is reporting JMcd's contract in 21m to 24m range. Saying both sides are moving forward.

Hopefully they are only thousands apart

Interesting. Doogie is plugged in with agents.
Would assume that is a starting point and not Average annual value?

Starting at 21, ascending would be 5/111.72 AAV = 22.34
Starting at 24, ascending would be 5/127.68 AAV = 25.54

Give him the 24, demand 5 years with no player option.

I will be pleasantly surprised if this gets wrapped up early, and it's not a game of chicken until the deadline.

[younggunsmn]

Minnesota and Reid were thousands apart not long before a deal eventually got done. We're still fairly early on, there's no deadline pressuring either side to need to waver at this point.

Thousands maybe true for my next job. In the NBA it's millions apart If we think Towns' contract was bad, I can't believe how much Bane got. That is Tobias Harris 2.0.

I have no problem with Bane's deal.

He's incredibly consistent. He's a career 47/43/88 shooter that has never had an offseason shooting (3 years Pro, 4 years college). He's also created a higher % of his own offense each year without losing efficiency.

He's gotten better as a rebounder and passer each year (6 and 5 PER36 last year), and he's a positive on defense.

I echo this sentiment, Bane is both a top tier defender and shoots with elite efficiency on 20+PPG.
He earned that contract.
I would not be surprised to see him jump into the 25 PPG range this year.
Would much rather have Bane at 25% max than Jaylen Brown at 35% max.

I hope that contract doesn't tempt Jaden into betting on himself and not signing an extension.
With an all-defense season and jump into the 17+ PPG range next year he could at least make an argument for the max by making the comp to the deal Bane got.

[younggunsmn]

Read on Twitter

The Doogie scoop.
Slow going, no movement right now.
"21-24 million per year, maybe a touch higher" is his estimate.

He does not say where that comes from. Could be from the team, agent, or execs for other teams/other agents he knows estimates.

[TimberKat]

Thousands maybe true for my next job. In the NBA it's millions apart If we think Towns' contract was bad, I can't believe how much Bane got. That is Tobias Harris 2.0.

I have no problem with Bane's deal.

He's incredibly consistent. He's a career 47/43/88 shooter that has never had an offseason shooting (3 years Pro, 4 years college). He's also created a higher % of his own offense each year without losing efficiency.

He's gotten better as a rebounder and passer each year (6 and 5 PER36 last year), and he's a positive on defense.

I echo this sentiment, Bane is both a top tier defender and shoots with elite efficiency on 20+PPG.
He earned that contract.
I would not be surprised to see him jump into the 25 PPG range this year.
Would much rather have Bane at 25% max than Jaylen Brown at 35% max.

I hope that contract doesn't tempt Jaden into betting on himself and not signing an extension.
With an all-defense season and jump into the 17+ PPG range next year he could at least make an argument for the max by making the comp to the deal Bane got.

Bane haven't made a single all star game and doesn't look like he will in the future either. He is a nice 3 pt shooter. Brown's been in multiple all star games and all nba team. Brown is a better player and I don't mind paid 10% extra. However, if JMcD's contract turns out to be 30M, I would take Bane over JMcD.

[Klomp]

Bane haven't made a single all star game and doesn't look like he will in the future either. He is a nice 3 pt shooter. Brown's been in multiple all star games and all nba team. Brown is a better player and I don't mind paid 10% extra. However, if JMcD's contract turns out to be 30M, I would take Bane over JMcD.

A couple things that separate McDaniels from Bane in my eye:

McDaniels seems to have a little more defensive versatility. Maybe I'm wrong, but defensively, I don't feel like Bane is as much of a POA guy as McDaniels is. Similarly, I think Jaden has a little more on-ball creation potential. It's not a huge difference....you might just be talking about an offensive difference between Paul Pierce vs. Ray Allen, but that's just how I compare them.

[younggunsmn]

Bane haven't made a single all star game and doesn't look like he will in the future either. He is a nice 3 pt shooter. Brown's been in multiple all star games and all nba team. Brown is a better player and I don't mind paid 10% extra. However, if JMcD's contract turns out to be 30M, I would take Bane over JMcD.

A couple things that separate McDaniels from Bane in my eye:

McDaniels seems to have a little more defensive versatility. Maybe I'm wrong, but defensively, I don't feel like Bane is as much of a POA guy as McDaniels is. Similarly, I think Jaden has a little more on-ball creation potential. It's not a huge difference....you might just be talking about an offensive difference between Paul Pierce vs. Ray Allen, but that's just how I compare them.

McDaniels has more defensive versatility and has a higher ceiling/ability to affect the game more on that end (however he also has fouling issues at this point in his career).

IMHO, Bane is a more dynamic offensive player at this point, and that's the big separator right now.
McDaniels has the potential to be a much more dangerous rim attacker, Bane with much better ballhandler/passer skills right now.
If McDaniels can find a way to scale up his current offensive efficiency to 15 FGA per game, you've got a max player.

[younggunsmn]

Bane haven't made a single all star game and doesn't look like he will in the future either. He is a nice 3 pt shooter. Brown's been in multiple all star games and all nba team. Brown is a better player and I don't mind paid 10% extra. However, if JMcD's contract turns out to be 30M, I would take Bane over JMcD.

There is more to value than All-Star game appearances, which almost always go to the highest volume players.

Bane is a better 3 point shooter by 6% career (42/36), better FT shooter by 10%, and has a better assist/tunrovers ratio.
I like Brown, I just don't think he's 15 million dollars better than Desmond Bane (or 5 million for that matter), now that Bane has crossed the 20 PPG scorer threshold and retained his efficiency. That's another top 6 rotation player's worth of money.

[KATKlownFeet]

I think its nuts to value players based on all-star appearances. DLO made an all-star game but sucked too. Drummond made several games and is barely in the league making peanuts. And where is DeMarcus Cousins with all his all-star games? Guys that defend well are often snubbed.

[TimberKat]

I think its nuts to value players based on all-star appearances. DLO made an all-star game but sucked too. Drummond made several games and is barely in the league making peanuts. And where is DeMarcus Cousins with all his all-star games? Guys that defend well are often snubbed.

Consider all stars are voted in by fans/coaches/players, it does mean something. The original context was around Bane and his 30M contract. Is he better than any of the guards selected to 2023 all star game? Will he ever be better than those guys ( comparing prime to prime)? It is not the only measure but is one of the good ones. Another measure is making the all NBA team. There are lots of players that are borderline all stars. So is Bane going to be a regular all star, borderline all star or never all star?

When Cousins played he was very good. So, are we saying he is not a good player? You may not want to sign him to a long term contract because of injury or personality risk. That doesn't mean being an all star is a bad measurement of a player's skill compare with others.

[Colbinii]

I think its nuts to value players based on all-star appearances. DLO made an all-star game but sucked too. Drummond made several games and is barely in the league making peanuts. And where is DeMarcus Cousins with all his all-star games? Guys that defend well are often snubbed.

Consider all stars are voted in by fans/coaches/players, it does mean something. The original context was around Bane and his 30M contract. Is he better than any of the guards selected to 2023 all star game? Will he ever be better than those guys ( comparing prime to prime)? It is not the only measure but is one of the good ones. Another measure is making the all NBA team. There are lots of players that are borderline all stars. So is Bane going to be a regular all star, borderline all star or never all star?

When Cousins played he was very good. So, are we saying he is not a good player? You may not want to sign him to a long term contract because of injury or personality risk. That doesn't mean being an all star is a bad measurement of a player's skill compare with others.

You are looking that this from a view point that makes little sense to view players.

First, let's stop using money as some form of measurement against the salary cap. Instead, you should be using %.

Furtheremore, please respond to this part if you insist Bane isn't worth the money.

In what world is a 22/5/4 player on 48/41/88 shooting and good defense a 20-25 Million player?

Bane ranked 42nd in WS/48, 25th in BPM, 27th in OBPM and 94th percentile in EPM.

He is by definition a Max type player since he is clearly a Top 50 player in the NBA.

[KATKlownFeet]

I think its nuts to value players based on all-star appearances. DLO made an all-star game but sucked too. Drummond made several games and is barely in the league making peanuts. And where is DeMarcus Cousins with all his all-star games? Guys that defend well are often snubbed.

Consider all stars are voted in by fans/coaches/players, it does mean something. The original context was around Bane and his 30M contract. Is he better than any of the guards selected to 2023 all star game? Will he ever be better than those guys ( comparing prime to prime)? It is not the only measure but is one of the good ones. Another measure is making the all NBA team. There are lots of players that are borderline all stars. So is Bane going to be a regular all star, borderline all star or never all star?

When Cousins played he was very good. So, are we saying he is not a good player? You may not want to sign him to a long term contract because of injury or personality risk. That doesn't mean being an all star is a bad measurement of a player's skill compare with others.

You are looking that this from a view point that makes little sense to view players.

First, let's stop using money as some form of measurement against the salary cap. Instead, you should be using %.

Furtheremore, please respond to this part if you insist Bane isn't worth the money.

In what world is a 22/5/4 player on 48/41/88 shooting and good defense a 20-25 Million player?

Bane ranked 42nd in WS/48, 25th in BPM, 27th in OBPM and 94th percentile in EPM.

He is by definition a Max type player since he is clearly a Top 50 player in the NBA.

I still think Allstar votes are based primarily on scoring and don't accurately reflect the true player's worth especially for those who excel on defense. DLO was voted in by one vote held by Adam Silver to choose an injury replacement and I viewed this as a PR Move as he wanted to show some love to the Nets who were in purgatory for several years following their horrific trade and won 42 games to get in playoffs. There were several other guys who were just as worthy of selection. F*ck Adam Silver!

[TimberKat]

I think its nuts to value players based on all-star appearances. DLO made an all-star game but sucked too. Drummond made several games and is barely in the league making peanuts. And where is DeMarcus Cousins with all his all-star games? Guys that defend well are often snubbed.

Consider all stars are voted in by fans/coaches/players, it does mean something. The original context was around Bane and his 30M contract. Is he better than any of the guards selected to 2023 all star game? Will he ever be better than those guys ( comparing prime to prime)? It is not the only measure but is one of the good ones. Another measure is making the all NBA team. There are lots of players that are borderline all stars. So is Bane going to be a regular all star, borderline all star or never all star?

When Cousins played he was very good. So, are we saying he is not a good player? You may not want to sign him to a long term contract because of injury or personality risk. That doesn't mean being an all star is a bad measurement of a player's skill compare with others.

You are looking that this from a view point that makes little sense to view players.

First, let's stop using money as some form of measurement against the salary cap. Instead, you should be using %.

Furtheremore, please respond to this part if you insist Bane isn't worth the money.

In what world is a 22/5/4 player on 48/41/88 shooting and good defense a 20-25 Million player?

Bane ranked 42nd in WS/48, 25th in BPM, 27th in OBPM and 94th percentile in EPM.

He is by definition a Max type player since he is clearly a Top 50 player in the NBA.

What is the difference if we use money or %? You can just do the conversation. Bane got a max contract. (Klomp corrected me. We aren't exactly talking about 30M but Bane's max at 25% of the cap and estimated to be 207M over 5 year, avg 41M per year)

Eventually there will be appx 50 max contracts in the NBA. I simply don't feel he is a top 50 player. Ringer had him rank 39 but when I looked at all the players ahead or after him, I feel he is more around 60s. I do prefer him over JMcD. So, for those who feel JMcD is a better player, does that mean JMcD is top 50 too?

By the way, Szczerbiak put up similar number for a year, would he be a max player?