Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[Slim Tubby]

It isn't stupid. They are not trying to win, by the time they would be he will be up for UFA, so they can get a TON for him in the short-term...it isn't complicated.

Chill.

Perpetual rebuild, sounds like a great idea!

The idea of trading a 23 year old NBA star for draft picks in hopes of getting better is very poor management.

Amen, brother.


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[SO_MONEY]

I don't put much stock in these guys because they are on expiring deals. Maybe they provide depth this season, but we need to have a longer term outlook than that.

Beverly specifically isn't going to play "extensive" minutes.

I’ll be stunned if Beverly doesn’t average at least 20 minutes per game, some of which will be next to Russell.


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I don't see it. Load management.

[Slim Tubby]

Beverly specifically isn't going to play "extensive" minutes.

I’ll be stunned if Beverly doesn’t average at least 20 minutes per game, some of which will be next to Russell.


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I don't see it. Load management.

No need debating the topic…we’ll both find out when the season begins…but I’m right.


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[theGreatRC]

I think a trade happens on the 10th involving MIN-PHI-IND with Brogdon & Beasley going to PHI, Naz + Nowell + Prince go to IND and Ben coming to MIN

edit: obviously picks from us would be involved, just don't know if we can split them between PHI & IND so I didn't include it in the trade

[Calinks]

If we are in a position to do it, I think we have to. Adding Simmons could really alter our trajectory. We would have two legit stars with a possible superstar in the making. Team gets a bit older, should absolutely be a playoff team. We look like we are a team o the rise it makes free agents and vets a lot easier to attain.

The stock for KAT will go WAY up if we become a credible playoffs team, all the negative talk about him goes out the window if he is having dominant games in the playoffs and we are winning. Simmons would be EXTREMELY motivated to play well. He has been crapped on by Philadelphia and his name is probably at the lowest point it has been in his entire life.

I could easily see him flourishing here, buying in, doing whatever it takes to be a good player here with his friend KAT (and maybe DLO). On top of that every game against the Sixers will be even hotter. Embiid and KAT pretty much cant stand each other already but this would make things 5 times more intense.

Simmons would go nuts trying to destroy the Sixers and our old guys like Beasley will probably try to torch us too.

I hate to see some pieces go but yea, we probably have to make this move if we can. This sets us up to be good for years. It also helps us push for a new arena when we are a credible team. On top of that, if it does go to crap, Simmons and KAT should raise their value high enough that they would be really good trade pieces. We could blow it up in a year or two get tons of picks, and build around Edwards.

[SO_MONEY]

If we are in a position to do it, I think we have to. Adding Simmons could really alter our trajectory. We would have two legit stars with a possible superstar in the making. Team gets a bit older, should absolutely be a playoff team. We look like we are a team o the rise it makes free agents and vets a lot easier to attain.

The stock for KAT will go WAY up if we become a credible playoffs team, all the negative talk about him goes out the window if he is having dominant games in the playoffs and we are winning. Simmons would be EXTREMELY motivated to play well. He has been crapped on by Philadelphia and his name is probably at the lowest point it has been in his entire life.

I could easily see him flourishing here, buying in, doing whatever it takes to be a good player here with his friend KAT (and maybe DLO). On top of that every game against the Sixers will be even hotter. Embiid and KAT pretty much cant stand each other already but this would make things 5 times more intense.

Simmons would go nuts trying to destroy the Sixers and our old guys like Beasley will probably try to torch us too.

I hate to see some pieces go but yea, we probably have to make this move if we can. This sets us up to be good for years. It also helps us push for a new arena when we are a credible team. On top of that, if it does go to crap, Simmons and KAT should raise their value high enough that they would be really good trade pieces. We could blow it up in a year or two get tons of picks, and build around Edwards.

I think you have a ton of optimism, but half the offers I see from posters run a real risk of making us worse. I don't think the playoffs are a sure thing even if we maintain our starters and add Simmons. It gets us closer and it could happen, but it is not a foregone conclusion. Not year one anyways. Making matters worse draft capital could be affected removing ways to supplement the team and replace quality production that would definitely be outgoing.

[Klomp]

If we are in a position to do it, I think we have to. Adding Simmons could really alter our trajectory. We would have two legit stars with a possible superstar in the making. Team gets a bit older, should absolutely be a playoff team. We look like we are a team o the rise it makes free agents and vets a lot easier to attain.

The stock for KAT will go WAY up if we become a credible playoffs team, all the negative talk about him goes out the window if he is having dominant games in the playoffs and we are winning. Simmons would be EXTREMELY motivated to play well. He has been crapped on by Philadelphia and his name is probably at the lowest point it has been in his entire life.

I could easily see him flourishing here, buying in, doing whatever it takes to be a good player here with his friend KAT (and maybe DLO). On top of that every game against the Sixers will be even hotter. Embiid and KAT pretty much cant stand each other already but this would make things 5 times more intense.

Simmons would go nuts trying to destroy the Sixers and our old guys like Beasley will probably try to torch us too.

I hate to see some pieces go but yea, we probably have to make this move if we can. This sets us up to be good for years. It also helps us push for a new arena when we are a credible team. On top of that, if it does go to crap, Simmons and KAT should raise their value high enough that they would be really good trade pieces. We could blow it up in a year or two get tons of picks, and build around Edwards.

I think you have a ton of optimism, but half the offers I see from posters run a real risk of making us worse. I don't think the playoffs are a sure thing even if we maintain our starters and add Simmons. It gets us closer and it could happen, but it is not a foregone conclusion. Not year one anyways. Making matters worse draft capital could be affected removing ways to supplement the team and replace quality production that would definitely be outgoing.

There's a risk with everything in life.

[Krapinsky]

I think a trade happens on the 10th involving MIN-PHI-IND with Brogdon & Beasley going to PHI, Naz + Nowell + Prince go to IND and Ben coming to MIN

edit: obviously picks from us would be involved, just don't know if we can split them between PHI & IND so I didn't include it in the trade

I think Indy would much rather keep Simmons for themselves. They want to win now and were reported as the first team to make an offer from Simmons.

[jpatrick]

I think it comes down to what you think of Simmons. If you see him as a star, top 20 NBA player when put in the right situation, you give whatever it takes to get him. Those guys don't come to MN normally. Especially not guys at that level that fit perfectly with Towns and are BFFs with Towns.

If you see him as the guy that failed in the playoffs, his confidence completely gone. Essentially a mediocre role player. Then no, these deals look horrible.

Rosas CLEARLY sees him as a star, so he's going all in. I just hope he doesn't give up Russell AND McDaniels. I could live with a:
1) Russell, Beasley, FRP, and a swap type package OR
2) Beverly, Beasley, 2 FRPs, 2 swaps deal.

You can throw in Layman, Okogie, or even Bolmaro into those packages too. Bolmaro and to a lesser extent Okogie aren't really throw-ins, but they are not deal breakers either.

[theGreatRC]

I think a trade happens on the 10th involving MIN-PHI-IND with Brogdon & Beasley going to PHI, Naz + Nowell + Prince go to IND and Ben coming to MIN

edit: obviously picks from us would be involved, just don't know if we can split them between PHI & IND so I didn't include it in the trade

I think Indy would much rather keep Simmons for themselves. They want to win now and we’re reported as the first team to make an offer from Simmons.

I just took a look at the Pacers roster and honestly forgot they have competitive players like TJ Warren & Caris Lavert to go along with Sabonis and Turner..they'd be a real nice team with Ben running point, not that Brogdon wasn't a good show running for them

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I mean…we have almost no idea how good DLo, kat and ant can be together. I think we were above .500 in a season that was already considered over when those 3 played together.


Getting rid of Saunders was huge too.

[theGreatRC]

I mean…we have almost no idea how good DLo, kat and ant can be together. I think we were above .500 in a season that was already considered over when those 3 played together.


Getting rid of Saunders was huge too.

I agree. I think we can be a good team as is. We didn't get to play even just 20 games with a lineup of DLO/Beas/Ant/KAT

[Krapinsky]

If you were building a team and all you had to start with was Ben Simmons, I think the best center pairing to play with him in the entire NBA would be KAT. I feel like these two are destined to play with one another.

Ant might be the best under 25 shooting guard to pair with Simmons.

[Krapinsky]

I mean…we have almost no idea how good DLo, kat and ant can be together. I think we were above .500 in a season that was already considered over when those 3 played together.


Getting rid of Saunders was huge too.

I agree. I think we can be a good team as is. We didn't get to play even just 20 games with a lineup of DLO/Beas/Ant/KAT

I think the defensive limitations would limit the ceiling of that core. Need one of our best players to set the tone on defense.

[NYSixersFan]

Sixers fan here....I've been wanting Simmons traded for several years, so I'm hoping a deal happens asap.

I don't think the Wolves have anything we want, so it would have to involve a 3rd team....Ideally the Blazers and Lillard.
otherwise it would have to involve the Sixers getting a PG from somewhere...We don't want young players and picks as the main compensation.

[KGdaBom]

Sixers fan here....I've been wanting Simmons traded for several years, so I'm hoping a deal happens asap.

I don't think the Wolves have anything we want, so it would have to involve a 3rd team....Ideally the Blazers and Lillard.
otherwise it would have to involve the Sixers getting a PG from somewhere...We don't want young players and picks as the main compensation.

I'm sure you don't want KAT or Anthony Edwards. You just couldn't use them right?
I'm guessing you meant that we don't have any players you think we would give up that you want.
I think that too would be a mistake. Beasley is an amazing shooter and McDaniels might not start, but he would bring quality depth guarding forwards. We might be willing to trade Russell and with Simmons gone I believe you could use him. Also you wouldn't want any FRPs?

[FinnTheHuman]

Sixers fan here....I've been wanting Simmons traded for several years, so I'm hoping a deal happens asap.

I don't think the Wolves have anything we want, so it would have to involve a 3rd team....Ideally the Blazers and Lillard.
otherwise it would have to involve the Sixers getting a PG from somewhere...We don't want young players and picks as the main compensation.

I think you guys won’t get a better offer than DLo + an asset + a 1st rounder that you can flip around trade deadline to further strengthen your roster.

DLo is a guy who can regularly hit 3-4 3’s in a row out of pick n roll with Embiid off the dribble. His 3 of the dribble is elite.

Problem is his defense that looks even worse when the other outside defender is Edwards. If you guys don’t play him much with Seth Curry, I think you’re good, he’d wreck in a lineup with D. Green/Thybulle/Harris/Embiid, you just need to hide him on defense.

I kinda don’t want to have this trade happen because it’s much more fun to me to watch the Wolves being elite offensively, but I understand that we would be better off with such a defensive upgrade.

And you guys won’t find a trade where you get a top 20 player back, I don’t see anybody risking sending such a player for Simmons.

[TwolvesFanRome]

In my opinion, giving up DLO would mean two negative factors: losing a lot of shooting percentage and making KAT unhappy. The best solution would be to force on the fact that PHI no longer has "the knife on the side of the handle" in this negotiation and push to offer secondary players, at the cost of losing some depth on the bench. Already with DLO, KAT and ANT together and with Finch at the helm we are a PO team (7/8 place). If we add Ben we become very interesting...

[Dewey]

Sixers fan here....I've been wanting Simmons traded for several years, so I'm hoping a deal happens asap.

I don't think the Wolves have anything we want, so it would have to involve a 3rd team....Ideally the Blazers and Lillard.
otherwise it would have to involve the Sixers getting a PG from somewhere...We don't want young players and picks as the main compensation.

Lilliard will cost you Ben and several picks, so I agree a third team is needed because Portland don’t really want Ben. whatever team does, is not going to give the insane asking price - Portland will need to pay up to move him in the end

[SO_MONEY]

If we are in a position to do it, I think we have to. Adding Simmons could really alter our trajectory. We would have two legit stars with a possible superstar in the making. Team gets a bit older, should absolutely be a playoff team. We look like we are a team o the rise it makes free agents and vets a lot easier to attain.

The stock for KAT will go WAY up if we become a credible playoffs team, all the negative talk about him goes out the window if he is having dominant games in the playoffs and we are winning. Simmons would be EXTREMELY motivated to play well. He has been crapped on by Philadelphia and his name is probably at the lowest point it has been in his entire life.

I could easily see him flourishing here, buying in, doing whatever it takes to be a good player here with his friend KAT (and maybe DLO). On top of that every game against the Sixers will be even hotter. Embiid and KAT pretty much cant stand each other already but this would make things 5 times more intense.

Simmons would go nuts trying to destroy the Sixers and our old guys like Beasley will probably try to torch us too.

I hate to see some pieces go but yea, we probably have to make this move if we can. This sets us up to be good for years. It also helps us push for a new arena when we are a credible team. On top of that, if it does go to crap, Simmons and KAT should raise their value high enough that they would be really good trade pieces. We could blow it up in a year or two get tons of picks, and build around Edwards.

I think you have a ton of optimism, but half the offers I see from posters run a real risk of making us worse. I don't think the playoffs are a sure thing even if we maintain our starters and add Simmons. It gets us closer and it could happen, but it is not a foregone conclusion. Not year one anyways. Making matters worse draft capital could be affected removing ways to supplement the team and replace quality production that would definitely be outgoing.

There's a risk with everything in life.

Right....

But this could be intentionally subjecting yourself to it.

In other words making a small move that carries risk vs a large move are different. You don't give up a ton without knowing you get better, health withstanding.