Ban Howard Mass: The new draft thread

[deeney0]

Not trying to make it personal, sorry if it came off that way. I just don't understand the recent love for those two prospects in this thread, not just by you. They weren't really talked about until the last couple weeks, and it can't have been anything they have done to make it that way; my theory is that everyone is disappointed with how all the frosh did in the tourny, but I don't really see that as a good reason to elevate others.

[Klomp]

Lopez is the robin to Al's batman.

Am I the only one who finds this statement ironic?

[TheFranchise21]

I just don't understand the recent love for those two prospects in this thread, not just by you.

Now you know how I feel about Rose.

[TheFranchise21]

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Am I the only one who finds this statement ironic?

No. rev certainly didn't mean it, he's not that witty.

[Toxicity]

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=CG--bwsjk2o

http://195.56.77.210/legavideo/6-10818-dsl.wmv

This Gallinari clip is coming from the Milano-Biella game in which McHale attended last sunday.

It's just a highlight but it shows something about his athleticism... i don't know if he can do that even in the NBA but for sure he'll try.

[Worm Guts]

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Now you know how I feel about Rose.

Rose has always been considered a top 2 prospect on this board. Quit pretending you were way ahead of the curve.

[mandurugo]

Is Gallinari going to be better than Jaric - a do everything player on offense who can also play defense...? Obviously Jaric is not an elite talent in the NBA, but I bet his skills would be pretty dominant in Europe. At any rate, Jaric seems a more reasonable comparision than LeBron.

[Toxicity]

Is Gallinari going to be better than Jaric - a do everything player on offense who can also play defense...? Obviously Jaric is not an elite talent in the NBA, but I bet his skills would be pretty dominant in Europe. At any rate, Jaric seems a more reasonable comparision than LeBron.

Jaric was a great talent in Europe (he and Ginobili was in the same great backcourt on Virtus Bologna) but not at Danilo's current age... he had also a inconsistent outside shot compared to Danilo's and was worse offensively... not talking about the height comparison (Gallinari is almost 6-10 while Marko is 6-7)... i think a legit comparison for Gallinari could be Hedo Turkoglu more than "european version of Lebron James".

[collin_k41]

Has anyone ever thought of this senario? Trailblazers get a top 2 pick...obviously draft rose..

PG:Rose
SG:Roy
SF:Outlaw or webster
PF:LMA
C:Oden

That team is soo scary it isn't even funny.

[AQuintus]

Has anyone ever thought of this senario? Trailblazers get a top 2 pick...obviously draft rose..

PG:Rose
SG:Roy
SF:Outlaw or webster
PF:LMA
C:Oden

That team is soo scary it isn't even funny.

If that happens, I will seriously stop watching the NBA.

[mandurugo]

... i think a legit comparison for Gallinari could be Hedo Turkoglu more than "european version of Lebron James".

Hedo is a way better comparision the Jaric - nice! So the question is, Hedo struggles if he doesn't dominate the ball. Would Gallinari have the same problem - and would that be a problem on the wolves? Since Foye is not a pure point guard, having a point forward seems like a natural fit. But Foye and McCants don't seem to move much without the ball, they mostly create their own offense... is it fair to say they both need the ball alot to succeed?

[dunkonu21]

Foye has proved that he doesn't need the ball or a lot of shots to fill up the stat sheet.

[Toxicity]

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Hedo is a way better comparision the Jaric - nice! So the question is, Hedo struggles if he doesn't dominate the ball. Would Gallinari have the same problem - and would that be a problem on the wolves? Since Foye is not a pure point guard, having a point forward seems like a natural fit. But Foye and McCants don't seem to move much without the ball, they mostly create their own offense... is it fair to say they both need the ball alot to succeed?

Every point-forward likes to have the ball in his hands... an so Danilo who is also great at drawing fouls handling the ball... if you pick him you have to give him the ball because, even if he can do it, he's not just a spot-up or coming off screens shooter...

[TheFranchise21]

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Rose has always been considered a top 2 prospect on this board. Quit pretending you were way ahead of the curve.

That's not what I'm talking about. The majority of people tabbed Beasley far and away better than Rose. There were discussions about for example:

1. Beasley
2A. Rose
2B. (insert flavor of the week here)

Everyone was saying Rose wasn't close to Beasley for the top spot. Now there's people putting him as #1 when, IIRC, there were only like 2-3 people who had Rose #1.

As rev likes to say, this argument is probably in vain since we'll probably get a pick somewhere in the 3-5 range.

What is everyone's 3-7? Assume we get the third pick and B&R go 1-2, who is our pick?

I've grown to like Mayo a lot lately. I think DX is underrating his dribble drive skills.

[deeney0]

I don't think there were ever any serious discussions about anyone at 2B, at least not in the last few months.

3 ) Mayo
4 ) Lopez
5 ) Gordon
6 ) Alexander
7 ) Love (I know what I've said about Love. I know.)
8 ) Jordan

[TheFranchise21]

Wow, you have Gordon pretty high, explain your position on him.

He's about the same size as McCants but is probably a better pure shooter. McCants is probably the better post up player and might be better off the dribble.

[deeney0]

Other than Beasley and Mayo, Gordon is the best scorer in this draft. He can hit from long, he can spot up, he can slash. With all of Indiana's troubles this year, I don't think Gordon got a fair shake. Before everything fell apart, he led them to 18-1.

Size is an issue for him. Turnovers are an issue for him. All these guys have issues. After 4, it's a guessing game right now. I think Gordon will be the one to put it together, but considering the recent lack of success for small SGs, it might be an uphill battle.

[Worm Guts]

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That's not what I'm talking about. The majority of people tabbed Beasley far and away better than Rose. There were discussions about for example:

1. Beasley
2A. Rose
2B. (insert flavor of the week here)

Everyone was saying Rose wasn't close to Beasley for the top spot. Now there's people putting him as #1 when, IIRC, there were only like 2-3 people who had Rose #1.

As rev likes to say, this argument is probably in vain since we'll probably get a pick somewhere in the 3-5 range.

What is everyone's 3-7? Assume we get the third pick and B&R go 1-2, who is our pick?

I've grown to like Mayo a lot lately. I think DX is underrating his dribble drive skills.

I don't think we ever had a serious discussion about Rose vs. Beasley. I had Beasley number 1 but I always thought if someone could overtake him it would be Rose. I think alot of other people felt the same way.

[horaceworthy]

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That's not what I'm talking about. The majority of people tabbed Beasley far and away better than Rose. There were discussions about for example:

1. Beasley
2A. Rose
2B. (insert flavor of the week here)

Everyone was saying Rose wasn't close to Beasley for the top spot. Now there's people putting him as #1 when, IIRC, there were only like 2-3 people who had Rose #1.

I don't think that a flavor of the week was ever really considered to be on the same level as Rose. It was more like:

1. Beasley
2. Rose


3. Flavor of the week

As Worm has stated, most people felt like, if anybody could pass up Beasley, it was Rose. Also, going into the season, my guess is that the majority on all these boards (myself included) were proponents of Rose as the #1 pick, given his size, freakish athleticism, and billing as a true PG. Then, when the season started, Beasley was dominant and Rose was looking like more of an athlete than a basketball player.

When you and I had our little falling out, it wasn't about Rose not having the potential to go #1, it was about the reasons people used to try to elevate him over Beasley. Nobody was coming up with any reasons that Rose was a better player, they were either saying that Rose was a better fit, or trying to discredit what Beasley was doing.

Well, now Rose has shown that he's polished up many of his rough edges, is as much a basketball player as an athlete (which is scary given what an incredible athlete he is), and flashed every skill he was billed as having coming into college that he apparently kept under a bushel earlier in the year. He's developed a ridiculously good floater, to boot.

Most people have kept an open mind throughout the whole process, and wanted to wait until they saw how the tournament went before firming up their decisions. At least for me, the improvement that Rose has shown during the tournament has made me put him ahead of Beasley.

[PeeDee]

Can someone try to sell me on Lopez, because I'm just not feeling him.

It's been said that his ceiling is PJ Brown or Andris Biedrins with better offense (but not by much looking at Lopez's FG%, although his FT% is better than Biedrins).

I've watched him play multiple times and have always walked away scratching my head on why people have elevated him so high. His shot selection is horrible, he's not a dominant rebounder, all he seems to do is heave a crappy looking hook shot over MUCH shorter players. However, he does play good defense, which is nice. What's going to happen when he plays against NBA caliber big men? I think he'll be exposed.

Here are his weaknesses according to DX: