ALL RUBIO TALK HERE

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Id do her

[KWSN-Men]

Exactly. Rubio is less marketable because he's foreign and he's white. You can say whatever you want, but the average American NBA fan is racist towards "Euros", white players, foreign players.

I feel kind of bad not ignoring this bull****, but you know about as much about typical Americans as most Americans know about typical Europeans, which is not much. Ignorance is not a crime, but pretending to be an expert is just going to piss everyone off. You make statements which have no basis, and pass them off as fact. Stop it. Just stop it.

Exactly. Like ignorance of how the average NBA fan in the US thinks.

[KWSN-Men]

Exactly. Rubio is less marketable because he's foreign and he's white. You can say whatever you want, but the average American NBA fan is racist towards "Euros", white players, foreign players.

you sir are an idiot and a turd for accusing us of this kind of racism. The average REAL NBA fan appreciates talent, character, and production, nothing more nothing less.

perhaps you've never been to a twins game and seen half the crowd filled with young ovulating females wearing mauer or morneau jerseys or carrying "marry me mauer" signs.
ricky could attract a whole new demographic to wolves (and NBA) basketball, young females, who are the fastest growing group of ticket buyers and apparel purchasers.
put some glasses on him and dude is harry potter, but americans hate that damn euro, don't they,
just like they hate ginobli and rudy f and turkoglu and pau gasol.

Ricky is pure marketing gold, and you are a douche for suggesting otherwise.

yeah, he'll come over and his stats won't blow your mind,
but his passes will be all over sportscenter, and he's gonna draw a ton of fans with his play,
and oh yeah his passing and defense are going to make the team alot better.

Since when does a Minny baseball fan = the average US NBA fan?

[revprodeji]

Is there a reason why I was once again threatened with a ban here when I only posted something that was true? I was the one that notified Minny fans here of the Rubio-Real Madrid situation and I was called out, insulted and threatened with a ban for doing so. What is wrong with this forum?

Here is what I wrote

KSWN--I respect your insight, but I will JW you in a minute if you pull that crap and derail a board for 6 pages again.

Like I said 1.) respect you insight. I have spoke with you numerous times about Rubio and Pekovic and I appreciate what you bring. 2.) JW=board ban, good job reading that. 3.) If you do derail a topic for 6 pages I will have to remove you.

What part did you not understand sir?

[younggunsmn]

Exactly. Rubio is less marketable because he's foreign and he's white. You can say whatever you want, but the average American NBA fan is racist towards "Euros", white players, foreign players.

you sir are an idiot and a turd for accusing us of this kind of racism. The average REAL NBA fan appreciates talent, character, and production, nothing more nothing less.

perhaps you've never been to a twins game and seen half the crowd filled with young ovulating females wearing mauer or morneau jerseys or carrying "marry me mauer" signs.
ricky could attract a whole new demographic to wolves (and NBA) basketball, young females, who are the fastest growing group of ticket buyers and apparel purchasers.
put some glasses on him and dude is harry potter, but americans hate that damn euro, don't they,
just like they hate ginobli and rudy f and turkoglu and pau gasol.

Ricky is pure marketing gold, and you are a douche for suggesting otherwise.

yeah, he'll come over and his stats won't blow your mind,
but his passes will be all over sportscenter, and he's gonna draw a ton of fans with his play,
and oh yeah his passing and defense are going to make the team alot better.

Since when does a Minny baseball fan = the average US NBA fan?

In minnesota for the most part sports fans are sports fans, the sport changes with the season.
and there is no "typical NBA fan", they come from all walks of life.

You know about minnesotans about as much as I know about how often french women shave their armpits, which is absolutely nothing.

americans don't hate europeans or european basketball players, get the f over it.
i'm surprised you're still allowed on this board with all the racist crap you're spewing.
you come off sounding like you don't think white people watch basketball, which is one of the most ignorant things i've ever heard.

ricky is bar-none the #1 player that could generate significant fan interest in this entire draft. get over yourself, he is so coveted by other teams partly BECAUSE of his marketability.

[KWSN-Men]

Is there a reason why I was once again threatened with a ban here when I only posted something that was true? I was the one that notified Minny fans here of the Rubio-Real Madrid situation and I was called out, insulted and threatened with a ban for doing so. What is wrong with this forum?

Here is what I wrote

KSWN--I respect your insight, but I will JW you in a minute if you pull that crap and derail a board for 6 pages again.

Like I said 1.) respect you insight. I have spoke with you numerous times about Rubio and Pekovic and I appreciate what you bring. 2.) JW=board ban, good job reading that. 3.) If you do derail a topic for 6 pages I will have to remove you.

What part did you not understand sir?

That I gave you inside info AHEAD of time before it was released to the news as a courtesy. That I then had some Wolves fans and a certain Spanish fan insult me, etc. and then call me a liar, say I was making things up whatever........that I then explain what I was saying and for that I was threatened with a ban.

I did NOT "derail the thread". The posters that attacked me for doing the board a favor and posting inside info derailed it. I've had this now with Rubio and Pekovic on this forum. I'm done permanently.

[KWSN-Men]

In minnesota for the most part sports fans are sports fans, the sport changes with the season.
and there is no "typical NBA fan", they come from all walks of life.

You know about minnesotans about as much as I know about how often french women shave their armpits, which is absolutely nothing.

americans don't hate europeans or european basketball players, get the f over it.
i'm surprised you're still allowed on this board with all the racist crap you're spewing.
you come off sounding like you don't think white people watch basketball, which is one of the most ignorant things i've ever heard.

ricky is bar-none the #1 player that could generate significant fan interest in this entire draft. get over yourself, he is so coveted by other teams partly BECAUSE of his marketability.

Minny does not equal the United States.

[jjjjjjjj]

No kidding. Here's a list of players I would trade Rubio for straight up:

Lebron
Dwight
Rose
Durant
Paul
D.Williams
Roy
Wade

Rubio probably won't be better than any of them (and maybe not as good as any, either), but he does have that kind of potential. New York doesn't have the assets to get any of these guys, either.

So get to work on some three way trades.

... i hope your sentiments don't reflect the rest of minnesota fanbase. you're mad if you think you can even get those types of players for rubio, nevertheless anyone on the team.

i'm starting to understand minny's position on this rubio situation; many fans believe rubio can be a great player and are willing to wait to have that type of player play for them, considering the Timbs won't be a playoff team anyway (which is a dumb defense btw. if you aren't a playoff team, wouldn't you want a young player to develop under your team?).

What if Rubio states flatly that he will never play in Minny? Minnesota loses a lot of leverage and his trade value becomes nothing to what it is now. Kahn, the FO and fans will be scrambling for a trade. At this point, Kahn still has a lot of leverage, but all it takes is a few private words from Rubio and his agent and his value becomes severely reduced for the Wolves.

If Rubio decides to play for the Wolves, all power to you all, but just as you all might think all trade offers for rubio are crazy, i think its just as "crazy" to think rubio wants to play in minny at all.

[younggunsmn]

No kidding. Here's a list of players I would trade Rubio for straight up:

Lebron
Dwight
Rose
Durant
Paul
D.Williams
Roy
Wade

Rubio probably won't be better than any of them (and maybe not as good as any, either), but he does have that kind of potential. New York doesn't have the assets to get any of these guys, either.

So get to work on some three way trades.

... i hope your sentiments don't reflect the rest of minnesota fanbase. you're mad if you think you can even get those types of players for rubio, nevertheless anyone on the team.

i'm starting to understand minny's position on this rubio situation; many fans believe rubio can be a great player and are willing to wait to have that type of player play for them, considering the Timbs won't be a playoff team anyway (which is a dumb defense btw. if you aren't a playoff team, wouldn't you want a young player to develop under your team?).

What if Rubio states flatly that he will never play in Minny? Minnesota loses a lot of leverage and his trade value becomes nothing to what it is now. Kahn, the FO and fans will be scrambling for a trade. At this point, Kahn still has a lot of leverage, but all it takes is a few private words from Rubio and his agent and his value becomes severely reduced for the Wolves.

If Rubio decides to play for the Wolves, all power to you all, but just as you all might think all trade offers for rubio are crazy, i think its just as "crazy" to think rubio wants to play in minny at all.

Rubio saying he will never play here is a hollow threat. We own his rights until he has gone 1 year without playing professionally, which will never happen. As long as he keeps playing well his value will only go up. If it ever comes to it teams will be falling over each other to land him, as the recent Yao+any 2 other players offer attests to.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... nish_team/

wiretap from june 10.

If his buyout ends up in the hands of the socialist spanish govt it could get pretty ugly,
although my reading is that they would much rather him not play for joventut so they can get their money. he cannot repay 6.6 million, so a compromise would logically follow. but who knows when a greedy govt gets involved.

also on the wiretap, real madrid excercised their 2-yr option on #34 pick sergio llul, making a rubio signing less likely and costlier. would they have done that had they thought they would land rubio? me thinks not.

[Krapinsky]

Is there a reason why I was once again threatened with a ban here when I only posted something that was true? I was the one that notified Minny fans here of the Rubio-Real Madrid situation and I was called out, insulted and threatened with a ban for doing so. What is wrong with this forum?

Here is what I wrote

KSWN--I respect your insight, but I will JW you in a minute if you pull that crap and derail a board for 6 pages again.

Like I said 1.) respect you insight. I have spoke with you numerous times about Rubio and Pekovic and I appreciate what you bring. 2.) JW=board ban, good job reading that. 3.) If you do derail a topic for 6 pages I will have to remove you.

What part did you not understand sir?

That I gave you inside info AHEAD of time before it was released to the news as a courtesy. That I then had some Wolves fans and a certain Spanish fan insult me, etc. and then call me a liar, say I was making things up whatever........that I then explain what I was saying and for that I was threatened with a ban.

I did NOT "derail the thread". The posters that attacked me for doing the board a favor and posting inside info derailed it. I've had this now with Rubio and Pekovic on this forum. I'm done permanently.

Dude, quit being such a drama queen.

[younggunsmn]

In minnesota for the most part sports fans are sports fans, the sport changes with the season.
and there is no "typical NBA fan", they come from all walks of life.

You know about minnesotans about as much as I know about how often french women shave their armpits, which is absolutely nothing.

americans don't hate europeans or european basketball players, get the f over it.
i'm surprised you're still allowed on this board with all the racist crap you're spewing.
you come off sounding like you don't think white people watch basketball, which is one of the most ignorant things i've ever heard.

ricky is bar-none the #1 player that could generate significant fan interest in this entire draft. get over yourself, he is so coveted by other teams partly BECAUSE of his marketability.

Minny does not equal the United States.

Ask Donnie Walsh or Rod Thorn or Daryl Morey or Mark Cuban or half the damn NY media what they think about Ricky's marketablility, but keep on derailing with your utter nonsense.

[jjjjjjjj]

Rubio saying he will never play here is a hollow threat. We own his rights until he has gone 1 year without playing professionally, which will never happen. As long as he keeps playing well his value will only go up. If it ever comes to it teams will be falling over each other to land him, as the recent Yao+any 2 other players offer attests to.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... nish_team/

wiretap from june 10.

If his buyout ends up in the hands of the socialist spanish govt it could get pretty ugly,
although my reading is that they would much rather him not play for joventut so they can get their money. we cannot repay 6.6 million, so a compromise would logically follow. but who knows when a greedy govt gets involved.

also on the wiretap, real madrid excercised their 2-yr option on #34 pick sergio llul, making a rubio signing less likely and costlier. would they have done that had they thought they would land rubio? me thinks not.

Any business would make sure one of their top players is picked up. Its wrong of you to assume on rubio's situation based on llul's situation when you have only 5% of the information. What does his contract look like? Isn't Real Madrid the Yankees of Europe anyway? Is Llul coming to Houston? etc etc etc.

the only flaw in your rubio argument is that you fail to see how much leverage you lose if Rubio does say he'll never play in Minny. If Rubio says he'll never play for the Wolves, the Wolves are left with only two decisions - 1. Fran Vazquez II, 2. Trade

NBA GMs aren't going to overwhelm the Wolves with great offers once Minny is backed into this corner. Either get nothing, or get something. Do fans really want to risk things to go this way? The way things are shaping, Wolves fans need to start hedging their bets on Rubio playing for the Timbs. I mean cmon... Beasley? Gordon/Jordan? Wolves fans are just as delusional as Knicks fans for overrating Gallo/Chandler. But seriously, Beasley?!

If I were a 19 year old trying to shape a legacy, I'd rather piss off the small percentage of NBA fans that twolves fans constitute and make sure I'm in the right place than spend 4 years and pay 4 mil to be in a place I don't want to be in the first place. thats just real talk.

[theGreatRC]

We gave up Randy Foye and Mike Miller for a headache, annoying knick fans, and poetic justice.

[jjjjjjjj]

We gave up Randy Foye and Mike Miller for a headache, annoying knick fans, and poetic justice.

shouldn't have drafted Rubio in the first place.

[andyhop]

Rubio saying he will never play here is a hollow threat. We own his rights until he has gone 1 year without playing professionally, which will never happen. As long as he keeps playing well his value will only go up. If it ever comes to it teams will be falling over each other to land him, as the recent Yao+any 2 other players offer attests to.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... nish_team/

wiretap from june 10.

If his buyout ends up in the hands of the socialist spanish govt it could get pretty ugly,
although my reading is that they would much rather him not play for joventut so they can get their money. we cannot repay 6.6 million, so a compromise would logically follow. but who knows when a greedy govt gets involved.

also on the wiretap, real madrid excercised their 2-yr option on #34 pick sergio llul, making a rubio signing less likely and costlier. would they have done that had they thought they would land rubio? me thinks not.

Any business would make sure one of their top players is picked up. Its wrong of you to assume on rubio's situation based on llul's situation when you have only 5% of the information. What does his contract look like? Isn't Real Madrid the Yankees of Europe anyway? Is Llul coming to Houston? etc etc etc.

the only flaw in your rubio argument is that you fail to see how much leverage you lose if Rubio does say he'll never play in Minny. If Rubio says he'll never play for the Wolves, the Wolves are left with only two decisions - 1. Fran Vazquez II, 2. Trade

NBA GMs aren't going to overwhelm the Wolves with great offers once Minny is backed into this corner. Either get nothing, or get something. Do fans really want to risk things to go this way? The way things are shaping, Wolves fans need to start hedging their bets on Rubio playing for the Timbs.

If I were a 19 year old trying to shape a legacy, I'd rather piss off the small percentage of NBA fans that twolves fans constitute and make sure I'm in the right place than spend 4 years in a place I don't want to be in the first place. thats just real talk.

In the event that happens the Wolves will wait until they get an offer they like or let him stay in Europe IMO.They have no reason to take a crappy offer just to help out Rubio and his prefered destination.

They lose nothing by doing this because the PR hit is the same for him remaining in Europe as for doing a crappy trade ,possibly less if you spin it as .

We have had experience of high draft picks not working out as hoped so one more isn't the end of the world.

[younggunsmn]

Rubio saying he will never play here is a hollow threat. We own his rights until he has gone 1 year without playing professionally, which will never happen. As long as he keeps playing well his value will only go up. If it ever comes to it teams will be falling over each other to land him, as the recent Yao+any 2 other players offer attests to.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... nish_team/

wiretap from june 10.

If his buyout ends up in the hands of the socialist spanish govt it could get pretty ugly,
although my reading is that they would much rather him not play for joventut so they can get their money. we cannot repay 6.6 million, so a compromise would logically follow. but who knows when a greedy govt gets involved.

also on the wiretap, real madrid excercised their 2-yr option on #34 pick sergio llul, making a rubio signing less likely and costlier. would they have done that had they thought they would land rubio? me thinks not.

Any business would make sure one of their top players is picked up. Its wrong of you to assume on rubio's situation based on llul's situation when you have only 5% of the information. What does his contract look like? Isn't Real Madrid the Yankees of Europe anyway? Is Llul coming to Houston? etc etc etc.

the only flaw in your rubio argument is that you fail to see how much leverage you lose if Rubio does say he'll never play in Minny. If Rubio says he'll never play for the Wolves, the Wolves are left with only two decisions - 1. Fran Vazquez II, 2. Trade

NBA GMs aren't going to overwhelm the Wolves with great offers once Minny is backed into this corner. Either get nothing, or get something. Do fans really want to risk things to go this way? The way things are shaping, Wolves fans need to start hedging their bets on Rubio playing for the Timbs.

If I were a 19 year old trying to shape a legacy, I'd rather piss off the small percentage of NBA fans that twolves fans constitute and make sure I'm in the right place than spend 4 years in a place I don't want to be in the first place. thats just real talk.

did fran vasquez ever WANT to play in the NBA?
You forget ricky's stated desire to play in the NBA and his adoration for the NBA.
Also every year ricky stays away will potentially cost him 13 mil+ because he hits his max deal a year later. You can't honestly believe he plays another 2 years for 100k a year in a spanish JV league?
If you checked the facts Real Madrid isn't even willing to pay half his buyout. They may be rich, but they're not backing the truck up. Soccer is where they make their big bucks, not basketball.

Yi got nowhere trying the same crap. and he was traded because he sucked, and he still sucks.

[jjjjjjjj]

andyhop -

as much as you are saying you want equal value for Rubio, I think its more likely you get nothing for Rubio in that case. Does a rebuilding team really want the #5 pick to be used for nothing? Even your busts had a chance to play. Rubio won't see the hardwood in the Twin Cities.

minnesota loses plenty by 1. never having rubio play, 2. never getting anything for 5 pick.

I'm not sure how basketball fans will view this situation as it unfolds... but I can imagine more bad publicity for David Kahn than good. Kahn will seem like a goat for trying to hold an asset that will never play for him.

thanks for the opinions from wolves fans. i wanted to get a better feel how some realgm posters felt about this situation and see it just as hopeless as i first viewed it. hopefully the knicks get their man, and minny comes out satisfied with their consolation prize, via knicks or whatever.

[BrooklynBulls]

In the event Rubio pulls a Francis and decides, I'm outtie, he'll still have pretty significant value in this league. Even if the value inherent in the threat that they may simply keep Rubio is gone- there's still the external pressure of the rest of the league. Even knowing he's got to go- the question remains where, and the answer is certainly, "the highest bidder." It would be best to get the situation resolved much more quickly though, so as to maintain Rubio's highest possible value, or to move Flynn at his.

I'm a little bit critical of Kahn here...he should have moved Flynn on draft night, avoid a lot of this stuff in the first place. Maybe he tried, and found the market lacking. I dunno, but I sort of doubt that. Flynn's good.

[andyhop]

andyhop -

as much as you are saying you want equal value for Rubio, I think its more likely you get nothing for Rubio in that case. Does a rebuilding team really want the #5 pick to be used for nothing? Even your busts had a chance to play. Rubio won't see the hardwood in the Twin Cities.

minnesota loses plenty by 1. never having rubio play, 2. never getting anything for 5 pick.

I'm not sure how basketball fans will view this situation as it unfolds... but I can imagine more bad publicity for David Kahn than good. Kahn will seem like a goat for trying to hold an asset that will never play for him.

Go look up the publicity on Yi last year to see how people supported the Bucks over him then come back.

Getting nothing for Rubio if he stays in Europe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting crap for him and having to see him on another team.

If he is traded it will be for a good deal for the Wolves.

[jjjjjjjj]

Go look up the publicity on Yi last year to see how people supported the Bucks over him then come back.

Getting nothing for Rubio if he stays in Europe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting crap for him and having to see him on another team.

If he is traded it will be for a good deal for the Wolves.

that's a great moral victory, but it isn't the smartest business decision. brooklyn gives another great point. waiting out for rubio might be (probably isn't) the best decision for the wolves, but for the league, it's a loss of a marketable athlete that'll bring in the league money. If the NBA has shown us anything, its that they run a great business.

trade him sooner before the situation becomes worse. be real, after saying he'll play in europe for 1-2 years, do wolves fans think he'll say, i'll play for the team now? Flynn's still on the team and that's an immediate problem.

i'm curious to see how much other teams are interested in Rubio and how much they'll give up for him. As far as I can see, I haven't heard much buzz from other teams besides the Knicks.

i'll also take your word that fans supported the bucks over yi. I think the difference here is that Rubio has created the hype and interest from fans all over, something Yi didn't have coming in to the NBA. Rubio's agent made some key mistakes in handling Yi as well. Rubio's not making the same mistakes again. Some fans might feel apathetic and not care that Rubio isn't in the NBA, but I think a sizable amount will not appreciate the fact the Wolves are being so stubborn in this situation, especially since they drafted Flynn.