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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#501 » by Krapinsky » Thu May 17, 2012 10:15 pm

D-Will for Gallinari is something a lot of people would consider, but I think we're overpaying by adding Luke and #18.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#502 » by SO_MONEY » Thu May 17, 2012 10:16 pm

youngthegiant wrote:Would you guys do this.

Denver Trades: Danilo Gallinari, #50

Minnesota Trades: Derrick Williams, Luke Ridnour, #18

Did you guys pick up the option on wesley johnson?


No, this is not even close.

Gallo, is being paid, Williams is not, both are not spectacular at the moment with a slight talent edge to Gallo and value edge to Williams due to potential. With this said it is clear Ridnour and 18 is not worth dropping down to 50.

Perhaps you think Gallo holds more value than Williams (I do not), but still what is being asked for far outweighs any benefit for Minnesota when you go beyond a Gallo Williams swap.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#503 » by Grits n Gravy » Thu May 17, 2012 10:20 pm

Krapinsky wrote:It would be pretty sweet if we could sign Batum and then trade Williams and Darko for Evans and Hayes. That team would have lots of upside, a lot of different skill sets, and a good mix of offense and defense.

the value would be good imo but i think if you want batum to earn that big pay check you can't stick him on the court with 2 other point guards who need the ball in their hands imo. one of turner, ricky or batums' effectiveness will suffer as all 3 need the ball in their hands(in batums' case simply the $ says so). batum could easily play that off the ball role he played in portland but if we're gonna be paying him big money, is that enough? he would probably be something like iggy in philly - with a low usage %.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#504 » by Krapinsky » Thu May 17, 2012 10:47 pm

Well right now we don't have enough ballhandlers for Rick's liking and Batum hasb't shown to be much of a ball handler in the NBA. Evans could also come off the bench in sort of a 6th man role.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#505 » by eyeteeth » Thu May 17, 2012 11:07 pm

Re: Evans, I would prefer a 2 guard with a good jump shot, particularly from the outside. Evans shot 20% from behind the arc last year, not exactly intimidating. His motor and attitude are also pretty inconsistent. I think we can do better.

As a 6th man OTOH, maybe interesting. Hayes for Darko certainly makes sense. We would still certainly need a better starting 2 guard.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#506 » by guille_4 » Thu May 17, 2012 11:21 pm

I would definitely trade Derrick Williams, Jose Barea for Danilo Gallinari. I'm not sure I'd include the 18th pick though. I think Derrick Williams will become a starter in the NBA, but I don't think he'll do it in the Twolves. I think there's no way he will adapt to the SG spot; he's a PF. I think trading him for Danilo Gallinari would be a good trade both for the Twolves and DWill.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#507 » by The J Rocka » Thu May 17, 2012 11:47 pm

eyeteeth wrote:Re: Evans, I would prefer a 2 guard with a good jump shot, particularly from the outside. Evans shot 20% from behind the arc last year, not exactly intimidating. His motor and attitude are also pretty inconsistent. I think we can do better.

As a 6th man OTOH, maybe interesting. Hayes for Darko certainly makes sense. We would still certainly need a better starting 2 guard.

Another option would be to sign a shooter like Brandon Rush to play SG/SF alongside Evans or slide Evans to SF and get a SG like Marco Belinelli.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#508 » by Krapinsky » Fri May 18, 2012 1:01 am

At some point you have to realize we can't get a player that does everything well. With Evans you'd be buying low and hoping a new atmosphere can turn him around and that he'll eventually fix his jump shot.
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Post#509 » by Klomp » Fri May 18, 2012 2:54 am

Krapinsky wrote:At some point you have to realize we can't get a player that does everything well. With Evans you'd be buying low and hoping a new atmosphere can turn him around and that he'll eventually fix his jump shot.

I wouldn't consider trading Williams for Evans as buying low.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#510 » by moss_is_1 » Fri May 18, 2012 3:26 am

If we traded for Evans I would be worrying about paying pek, then evans and then rubio too. Plus if we signed someone this offseason to a big deal.

If we signed batum and traded for evans then id be fine with the fit. Batum and love are great 3 point shooters, rubio is solid so the spacing wouldn't be bad. We would need a player that could slash and get into the paint.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#511 » by Krapinsky » Fri May 18, 2012 6:41 am

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Krapinsky wrote:At some point you have to realize we can't get a player that does everything well. With Evans you'd be buying low and hoping a new atmosphere can turn him around and that he'll eventually fix his jump shot.

I wouldn't consider trading Williams for Evans as buying low.


Two years ago could Williams have gotten you Evans?
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#512 » by Calinks » Fri May 18, 2012 6:52 am

Lets say everything goes to hell for the Heat and the Pacers easily dispose of them. Management thinks Wade is on the decline and looks to move him. Any interest on the wolves part?
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#513 » by Grits n Gravy » Fri May 18, 2012 9:29 am

Calinks wrote:Lets say everything goes to hell for the Heat and the Pacers easily dispose of them. Management thinks Wade is on the decline and looks to move him. Any interest on the wolves part?

definitely not for me, wades the kind of guy who will fall off very quickly once his athleticism goes as he is so reliant on it. i don't think he'll have too many years left in that top tier he's currently at and the asking price will be far too high.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#514 » by Worm Guts » Fri May 18, 2012 12:16 pm

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Krapinsky wrote:It would be pretty sweet if we could sign Batum and then trade Williams and Darko for Evans and Hayes. That team would have lots of upside, a lot of different skill sets, and a good mix of offense and defense.

the value would be good imo but i think if you want batum to earn that big pay check you can't stick him on the court with 2 other point guards who need the ball in their hands imo. one of turner, ricky or batums' effectiveness will suffer as all 3 need the ball in their hands(in batums' case simply the $ says so). batum could easily play that off the ball role he played in portland but if we're gonna be paying him big money, is that enough? he would probably be something like iggy in philly - with a low usage %.


I would never think that way. I wouldn't sign Batum because I expect to him to play up to the contract. I would sign him because it's the best way to use our cap space to get a quality player. If we can sign Batum and improve the team in other ways, you have to do it.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#515 » by Grits n Gravy » Fri May 18, 2012 1:00 pm

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Krapinsky wrote:It would be pretty sweet if we could sign Batum and then trade Williams and Darko for Evans and Hayes. That team would have lots of upside, a lot of different skill sets, and a good mix of offense and defense.

the value would be good imo but i think if you want batum to earn that big pay check you can't stick him on the court with 2 other point guards who need the ball in their hands imo. one of turner, ricky or batums' effectiveness will suffer as all 3 need the ball in their hands(in batums' case simply the $ says so). batum could easily play that off the ball role he played in portland but if we're gonna be paying him big money, is that enough? he would probably be something like iggy in philly - with a low usage %.


I would never think that way. I wouldn't sign Batum because I expect to him to play up to the contract. I would sign him because it's the best way to use our cap space to get a quality player. If we can sign Batum and improve the team in other ways, you have to do it.

i can understand that...my ideal team is much more about fit and guys finding roles rather than throwing raw talent on the floor that doesn't fit together which imo the suggested team doesn't. i'd be absolutely overjoyed to get batum i just think another shooting guard would fit much better with him and ricky.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#516 » by the_bruce » Fri May 18, 2012 1:57 pm

I'd trade Dwill + Barea for Evans or some variation (+garcia?). Evans has always been a prototypical 2 guard in my eyes. He can also play 3 positions and handle the rock. We do need a guy who can make his way to the rim and finish and adelman wants more ball handling. He'd be a great pairing with luke & Beas (i'd like to resign him) too. Plus Wes finished shooting strong the last 2 months of the season so Im not as harsh about his play.

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We could pickup a decent value piece at 18. Rivers could possibly fall there. I like wroten a lot but with evans here instead I'm not certain he'd be my guy. I think we'd still need a shot blocking big 4/5 or maybe just an athletic 4/5 guy with a motor Maybe Moultrie? Wouldn't mind picking up a later first and grabbing a guy like jenkins or d lamb for some more shooting and guys that have decent ball handling.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#517 » by Basti » Fri May 18, 2012 2:51 pm

1) No to Wade. He's too old, somewhat injury-prone and once his athleticism is gone he won't be as effective as he's been. Although his outside shot, particularly from mid-range, has been much better as of late. Couldn't stand all the complaining to the refs, either. It already pisses me off whenever Love does it.

2) No Gallo + x for Williams, #18 + x. Take out the pick or add Darko's contract I'd do it. Amnesty Luke's contract (if it's still necessary to clear space for another move, that is). And give me a detailed injury report for Gallo. He's had a number of injuries already and I'm sure some of them were not caused by freak accidents.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#518 » by Klomp » Fri May 18, 2012 4:52 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Two years ago could Williams have gotten you Evans?

Two years ago, Derrick was a college freshman, so probably not.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#519 » by black bart » Fri May 18, 2012 7:19 pm

Why would anyone want tyreke evans. His stats are pretty clear that he is always and will never be an efficient shooter. His peak is 54 ts%. I wouldn't even give give him a cent.. He is a high usage rate player and an extremely inefficient player. He can't shoot and can't shoot threes. Derrick Williams has twice the value of Tyreke Evans. Having Tyreke as your 2nd or third best player is a lottery team.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#520 » by youngthegiant » Fri May 18, 2012 8:58 pm

Would you guys do #18 for wilson chandler.

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