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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#501 » by SO_MONEY » Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:20 pm

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minimus wrote:McDaniels has grown to legit 6'10". His standing reach is the same as KATs, Reid's which given his mobility and instincts make him a unique player. I really hope we keep him as he might end up a special player.

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1. It’s great to see KAT goofing around and laughing. Find some joy, young fella.
2. I wish Okogie had even one once of offense in him because he’s so easy to cheer for (check out his Minnetonka boat day on IG)
3. Don’t trade McDaniels - ever.
4. Wolves baby!

If McDaniels is the price for Simmons I'm packing his bags and driving him to the airport.


I only trade for Simmons if we walk away with a starting lineup of DLo, ANT, McDaniels, Simmons and KAT. Otherwise I look elsewhere and probably preserve assets. I think it is too important to be able to pivot and build around ANT and McDaniels if needed, not bring in a guy that is obviously hard to move and get value for.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#502 » by Neeva » Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:34 pm

Plus hard to build around with his toxic contract and total lack of shooting.

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1. It’s great to see KAT goofing around and laughing. Find some joy, young fella.
2. I wish Okogie had even one once of offense in him because he’s so easy to cheer for (check out his Minnetonka boat day on IG)
3. Don’t trade McDaniels - ever.
4. Wolves baby!

If McDaniels is the price for Simmons I'm packing his bags and driving him to the airport.


Plus hard to build around with his total lack of shooting.

I only trade for Simmons if we walk away with a starting lineup of DLo, ANT, McDaniels, Simmons and KAT. Otherwise I look elsewhere and probably preserve assets. I think it is too important to be able to pivot and build around ANT and McDaniels if needed, not bring in a guy that is obviously hard to move and get value for.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#503 » by Slim Tubby » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:04 am

KGdaBom wrote:
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minimus wrote:McDaniels has grown to legit 6'10". His standing reach is the same as KATs, Reid's which given his mobility and instincts make him a unique player. I really hope we keep him as he might end up a special player.

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1. It’s great to see KAT goofing around and laughing. Find some joy, young fella.
2. I wish Okogie had even one once of offense in him because he’s so easy to cheer for (check out his Minnetonka boat day on IG)
3. Don’t trade McDaniels - ever.
4. Wolves baby!

If McDaniels is the price for Simmons I'm packing his bags and driving him to the airport.

At the end of day, you probably have to do it but it sure would be painful.


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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#504 » by minimus » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:13 am

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I saw that vid from a straight on angle and KAT was an inch taller than Jaden which would mean he is legitimately 6'10" barefoot.

His standing reach cannot be the same as KATs. KAT had 6" on him by pre-draft measurements so that would mean Jaden's arms grew 5 inches in the last year since he only gained an inch in height.


I cant find the source it was probably someone on twitter. It also might be an error in measurements, but my eye test that Jaden is tall enough to play PF full time

Tall enough has never been the problem. He's not big enough or strong enough to do it.


We have multiple issues in defense (in order of priority):

1) transition defense. Right now McDaniels is the best option at PF to stop opponent in transtition. His mobility combined with size/wingspan is a weapon. Simply playing a traditional big wont solve this issue

2) defensive rebounding. Here, I agree we could use someone like Larry Nance Jr., however because of more perimeter oriented modern NBA, defensive rebounding must be a collective effort from all positions. Also last year this issues was aggrevitated without Towns who is our best rebounder.

3) giving up open corner 3s. Again McDaniels is our best choice if we need someone able to rotate to stop rolling man and then recover and contest corner 3s.

I agree that MCD needs to put 10-15lbs to be effective against traditional PFs. I just think that MCD+Vando+Reid might be a decent workaround this year to solve our problems at PF
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#505 » by shrink » Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:42 am

Simmons now says he wants to be the #1 option on offense surrounded by shooters.

I have to think that the Wolves front office want KAT (efficiency and match up nightmare) and Edwards (future superstar?) to be the top two offensive options. Russell may want Russell to have that role, but he and Beasley are going to expects their FGA’s because they are mainly on the court for offense, and continuing to be 20 PPG scorers get them paid.

We aren’t the team that keeps Simmons happy. And that’s scary, because we’ve seen he is willing to sacrifice the salary and not honor his contract if he is unhappy.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#506 » by FinnTheHuman » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:10 pm

shrink wrote:Simmons now says he wants to be the #1 option on offense surrounded by shooters.

I have to think that the Wolves front office want KAT (efficiency and match up nightmare) and Edwards (future superstar?) to be the top two offensive options. Russell may want Russell to have that role, but he and Beasley are going to expects their FGA’s because they are mainly on the court for offense, and continuing to be 20 PPG scorers get them paid.

We aren’t the team that keeps Simmons happy. And that’s scary, because we’ve seen he is willing to sacrifice the salary and not honor his contract if he is unhappy.


Source? I can't find where Simmons said that he wanted to be the 1st option, he just doesn't want to play with Embiid who's not a good transition player but a half court player, constantly playing in the post and is unwilling to be the roll man in the pick n roll. Simmons is right to want to play on-ball, he averaged 8 assists 2 seasons ago, that is hard on a starting lineup with iso guys like Embiid and Tobias.

Embiid's not like KAT, he can shoot the 3, but probably shouldn't shoot more than a couple per game because he's a beast inside. Meanwhile, KAT can spam pick n pop, DLo can spot up, Edwards's been a passable 3pt shooter last season already and is probably even better now. The 5th guy, be it McDaniels or Prince, can also shoot.

Simmons isn't stupid, he knows that there's no chance he fits on some other team if he doesn't manage to fit on the Wolves who can always have 4 shooters on the court with him, because there's no 3pt shooting center on KAT's level in the entire league. Does that lead to Simmons being the top scorer on the team? Highly unlikely, but it makes him involved on most offensive possessions instead of forcing him to play off-ball at the dunker spot or smth. KAT and Edwards would probably be in the low 20's when it comes to PPG, DLo around 20, Simmons like 17-18 with potentially double digit assists, which would probably satisfy his ego as he'd get the 'one of the league leaders in assists' and the 'offensive hub of the team' labels.

And if Simmons is unhappy, which I find highly unlikely, it is most likely because we're a lottery team that's supposed to go into another rebuild anyway, so trading him, KAT and the rest of the vets who won't be in future plans will be done regardless of Simmons' hypothetical unhappiness.

In that sense, all this isn't scary, the scary thing is not taking this risk, we need to shoot our shot with this trade, because without it, I see us most likely going into another rebuild in 1-3 years because KAT wants out to be on a playoff team.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#507 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:15 pm

Yea bens a 4th option in our starting line up, lol.

I mean he could become a first option if the defense is focused on dlo ant and kat making penetration drives that much easier where he could do dunks and lay ups all day
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#508 » by Merc_Porto » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:23 pm

The offense is not all about shooting the ball at all. lol
Ben would be automatically our best playmaker and probably our best finisher on the rim. How that translates to be the 4th option?

Seriously...
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#509 » by jpatrick » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:55 pm

Merc_Porto wrote:The offense is not all about shooting the ball at all. lol
Ben would be automatically our best playmaker and probably our best finisher on the rim. How that translates to be the 4th option?

Seriously...


This is what I don’t get. Ben is the ideal guy to work between our scorers and make them better. I’m still not sure KAT, DLo, and Towns make each other better. There was a little bit of okay, it’s my turn to do something now, instead of cohesive unit. Although they only played together a few games (The Nets stars played the same way but just more talent).

Simmons, on the other hand, was the #2 guy on a team with not great talent after the top three and they finished with the best record in the East.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#510 » by SO_MONEY » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:59 pm

Merc_Porto wrote:The offense is not all about shooting the ball at all. lol
Ben would be automatically our best playmaker and probably our best finisher on the rim. How that translates to be the 4th option?

Seriously...


He would be our 4th option. He would be behind, KAT, DLo and ANT. I am surprised this is actually questioned... Those three would be your first offensive options and each of them would be responsible for carrying the load. It might even be true that he ends up as the 5th option, depending on McDaniels. But just because he would be a low end offensive opinion, doesn't mean the is frozen out of the offense or will have a usage rate below 20%, it means he won't be responsible for scoring. You wouldn't look to him to get you buckets, that he should shoot very little.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#511 » by IceManBK1 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:32 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264225/Spurs-76ers-Havent-Gotten-Far-With-Trade-Talks-On-Ben-Simmons

So who is our competition for Simmons lol.. Nuggets not gonna trade porter Jr for him. Doubt they will trade Aaron Gordon neither.

Is it me there's no Patrick Beverly sighting during media day or training camp? I suspect he's involved in the trade? Maybe it's only Beverly, Beasley and few 1st rders. Even if we trade McDaniels. We'll still have Prince to play SF. And Okogie can be the guard stopper.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#512 » by Merc_Porto » Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:34 pm

SO_MONEY wrote:
Merc_Porto wrote:The offense is not all about shooting the ball at all. lol
Ben would be automatically our best playmaker and probably our best finisher on the rim. How that translates to be the 4th option?

Seriously...


He would be our 4th option. He would be behind, KAT, DLo and ANT. I am surprised this is actually questioned... Those three would be your first offensive options and each of them would be responsible for carrying the load. It might even be true that he ends up as the 5th option, depending on McDaniels. But just because he would be a low end offensive opinion, doesn't mean the is frozen out of the offense or will have a usage rate below 20%, it means he won't be responsible for scoring. You wouldn't look to him to get you buckets, that he should shoot very little.


AGAIN, the offense is not only about scoring. Is also about how to score. You have to do a lot of other things you know.
You are surprised that this is questioned?

Do you want some numbers? The "true" PG DLO in his six years in the NBA never averaged more assists than Ben on his 4 seasons.
That's only, to begin with, your worries about creating a hole in the PG position if DLO was somehow traded.

I'm the one that is surprised to see that there are people like you (with all respect ofc) that thinks the game of basketball, on the offense side of the court, is only about being able to shoot the ball.

Ben is automatically our first or second guy because you obviously would want the ball in his hands, more than DLO, more than Ant, and more than KAT. What is the part that is so difficult to understand about this?
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#513 » by SO_MONEY » Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:37 pm

IceManBK1 wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264225/Spurs-76ers-Havent-Gotten-Far-With-Trade-Talks-On-Ben-Simmons

So who is our competition for Simmons lol.. Nuggets not gonna trade porter Jr for him. Doubt they will trade Aaron Gordon neither.

Is it me there's no Patrick Beverly sighting during media day or training camp? I suspect he's involved in the trade? Maybe it's only Beverly, Beasley and few 1st rders. Even if we trade McDaniels. We'll still have Prince to play SF. And Okogie can be the guard stopper.


Beverly is dealing with Covid protocols. No story there.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#514 » by moonpie » Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:40 pm



[Shelburne] Ben Simmons is willing to sit as long as it takes to. When you talk to people close to Ben, I say ,”Okay, worst-case scenario it takes all year. Would he sit all year?” And the answer right now is: “Yes.”
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Post#515 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:40 pm

Merc_Porto wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Merc_Porto wrote:The offense is not all about shooting the ball at all. lol
Ben would be automatically our best playmaker and probably our best finisher on the rim. How that translates to be the 4th option?

Seriously...


He would be our 4th option. He would be behind, KAT, DLo and ANT. I am surprised this is actually questioned... Those three would be your first offensive options and each of them would be responsible for carrying the load. It might even be true that he ends up as the 5th option, depending on McDaniels. But just because he would be a low end offensive opinion, doesn't mean the is frozen out of the offense or will have a usage rate below 20%, it means he won't be responsible for scoring. You wouldn't look to him to get you buckets, that he should shoot very little.


AGAIN, the offense is not only about scoring. Is also about how to score. You have to do a lot of other things you know.
You are surprised that this is questioned?

Do you want some numbers? The "true" PG DLO in his six years in the NBA never averaged more assists than Ben on his 4 seasons.
That's only, to begin with, your worries about creating a hole in the PG position if DLO was somehow traded.

I'm the one that is surprised to see that there are people like you (with all respect ofc) that thinks the game of basketball, on the offense side of the court, is only about being able to shoot the ball.

Ben is automatically our first or second guy because you obviously would want the ball in his hands, more than DLO, more than Ant, and more than KAT. What is the part that is so difficult to understand about this?

If you line up kat/ant/dlo/BS/SF where does BS rank in preferred shooting the ball? To me he’s the 4th best option.


But you’re right in the sense he’s the best playmaker…and having 3 better scorers than he is on the court with him could move him to the second best option considering all of the attention the others get. That’s what I’m getting at

So yea by default it’d be the best or second best option considering the high percentage shots near the rim he’d be able to generate due to spacing
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Post#516 » by SO_MONEY » Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:40 pm

Merc_Porto wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Merc_Porto wrote:The offense is not all about shooting the ball at all. lol
Ben would be automatically our best playmaker and probably our best finisher on the rim. How that translates to be the 4th option?

Seriously...


He would be our 4th option. He would be behind, KAT, DLo and ANT. I am surprised this is actually questioned... Those three would be your first offensive options and each of them would be responsible for carrying the load. It might even be true that he ends up as the 5th option, depending on McDaniels. But just because he would be a low end offensive opinion, doesn't mean the is frozen out of the offense or will have a usage rate below 20%, it means he won't be responsible for scoring. You wouldn't look to him to get you buckets, that he should shoot very little.


AGAIN, the offense is not only about scoring. Is also about how to score. You have to do a lot of other things you know.
You are surprised that this is questioned?

Do you want some numbers? The "true" PG DLO in his six years in the NBA never averaged more assists than Ben on his 4 seasons.
That's only, to begin with, your worries about creating a hole in the PG position if DLO was somehow traded.

I'm the one that is surprised to see that there are people like you (with all respect ofc) that thinks the game of basketball, on the offense side of the court, is only about being able to shoot the ball.

Ben is automatically our first or second guy because you obviously would want the ball in his hands, more than DLO, more than Ant, and more than KAT. What is the part that is so difficult to understand about this?


There is no response to what I said, it is 100% accurate, so I didn't bother reading your post because it would only be to argue something that has been covered, correctly.

The proper response is...

"True".

Then we move on.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#517 » by Baseline81 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:42 pm

jpatrick wrote:This is what I don’t get. Ben is the ideal guy to work between our scorers and make them better. I’m still not sure KAT, DLo, and Towns make each other better. There was a little bit of okay, it’s my turn to do something now, instead of cohesive unit. Although they only played together a few games (The Nets stars played the same way but just more talent).

Simmons, on the other hand, was the #2 guy on a team with not great talent after the top three and they finished with the best record in the East.

A KAT and a Towns you say...
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#518 » by Merc_Porto » Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:47 pm

SO_MONEY wrote:
Merc_Porto wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
He would be our 4th option. He would be behind, KAT, DLo and ANT. I am surprised this is actually questioned... Those three would be your first offensive options and each of them would be responsible for carrying the load. It might even be true that he ends up as the 5th option, depending on McDaniels. But just because he would be a low end offensive opinion, doesn't mean the is frozen out of the offense or will have a usage rate below 20%, it means he won't be responsible for scoring. You wouldn't look to him to get you buckets, that he should shoot very little.


AGAIN, the offense is not only about scoring. Is also about how to score. You have to do a lot of other things you know.
You are surprised that this is questioned?

Do you want some numbers? The "true" PG DLO in his six years in the NBA never averaged more assists than Ben on his 4 seasons.
That's only, to begin with, your worries about creating a hole in the PG position if DLO was somehow traded.

I'm the one that is surprised to see that there are people like you (with all respect ofc) that thinks the game of basketball, on the offense side of the court, is only about being able to shoot the ball.

Ben is automatically our first or second guy because you obviously would want the ball in his hands, more than DLO, more than Ant, and more than KAT. What is the part that is so difficult to understand about this?


There is no response to what I said, it is 100% accurate, so I didn't bother reading your post because it would only be to argue something that has been covered, correctly.

The proper response is...

"True".

Then we move on.


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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#519 » by Merc_Porto » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:00 pm

D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:
Merc_Porto wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
He would be our 4th option. He would be behind, KAT, DLo and ANT. I am surprised this is actually questioned... Those three would be your first offensive options and each of them would be responsible for carrying the load. It might even be true that he ends up as the 5th option, depending on McDaniels. But just because he would be a low end offensive opinion, doesn't mean the is frozen out of the offense or will have a usage rate below 20%, it means he won't be responsible for scoring. You wouldn't look to him to get you buckets, that he should shoot very little.


AGAIN, the offense is not only about scoring. Is also about how to score. You have to do a lot of other things you know.
You are surprised that this is questioned?

Do you want some numbers? The "true" PG DLO in his six years in the NBA never averaged more assists than Ben on his 4 seasons.
That's only, to begin with, your worries about creating a hole in the PG position if DLO was somehow traded.

I'm the one that is surprised to see that there are people like you (with all respect ofc) that thinks the game of basketball, on the offense side of the court, is only about being able to shoot the ball.

Ben is automatically our first or second guy because you obviously would want the ball in his hands, more than DLO, more than Ant, and more than KAT. What is the part that is so difficult to understand about this?

If you line up kat/ant/dlo/BS/SF where does BS rank in preferred shooting the ball? To me he’s the 4th best option.


But you’re right in the sense he’s the best playmaker…and having 3 better scorers than he is on the court with him could move him to the second best option considering all of the attention the others get. That’s what I’m getting at

So yea by default it’d be the best or second best option considering the high percentage shots near the rim he’d be able to generate due to spacing


I already gave my opinion about putting together DLO and Simmons on the same team, I don't think that would work at all.

We just need to take a look at the massive USAGE of Dlo during his career, he's not a guy to stand in a corner unfortunately, neither would be Ben for obvious reasons, that would be a problem.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#520 » by SO_MONEY » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:00 pm

Merc_Porto wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Merc_Porto wrote:
AGAIN, the offense is not only about scoring. Is also about how to score. You have to do a lot of other things you know.
You are surprised that this is questioned?

Do you want some numbers? The "true" PG DLO in his six years in the NBA never averaged more assists than Ben on his 4 seasons.
That's only, to begin with, your worries about creating a hole in the PG position if DLO was somehow traded.

I'm the one that is surprised to see that there are people like you (with all respect ofc) that thinks the game of basketball, on the offense side of the court, is only about being able to shoot the ball.

Ben is automatically our first or second guy because you obviously would want the ball in his hands, more than DLO, more than Ant, and more than KAT. What is the part that is so difficult to understand about this?


There is no response to what I said, it is 100% accurate, so I didn't bother reading your post because it would only be to argue something that has been covered, correctly.

The proper response is...

"True".

Then we move on.


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The problem is you want to conflate usage and offensive opinion which I covered...so there is nothing more to say...

Your opinion was either wrong or incomplete.

People on here are smart enough to understand your point even though it isn't articulated the best. Move on and save your sarcastic emojis.

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