2016 draft thread: Part 2

[ace625214]

I'm not sure if you realize how good JJ Redick is and how important he is to the Clippers. He led the league in 3pt% by over 2%. Having someone with his shooting ability on this team would basically transform our offense.

[Klomp]

Hield is 6'3" barefoot but doesn't have the handle to run an offense. He's basically Ben Gordon

He's almost three inches taller than Gordon. 6'1" vs. 6'3.75"

[wablty]

Hield is 6'3" barefoot but doesn't have the handle to run an offense. He's basically Ben Gordon

He's almost three inches taller than Gordon. 6'1" vs. 6'3.75"

I thought Gordon was a little taller than that. I could have found a better example. Hield is still a point sized shooting guard that's probably going to need to be covered up on defense. If it looked like he could also back up Rubio, I'd be much higher on him.

[Teen_Wolf]

Watching JR Smith on the Cavs I don't see why Hield couldn't do that for us. Just stand on the perimeter, allowing Andrew to slash and drilling a 3 whenever he gets the ball. We've already got our first 3 scoring options sorted, for me it's not a massive downside to drafting Buddy. I struggle to see where we'd fit Murray, Dunn and Brown in with what we have without trading away major pieces.

[Klomp]

There may not be a massive downside to Buddy, but I don't see a massive upside either. It's the safe pick. Do we want to be safe or do we want to take a chance at a home run?

Is this the Gary Harris vs. Zach LaVine debate all over again?

[ace625214]

There may not be a massive downside to Buddy, but I don't see a massive upside either. It's the safe pick. Do we want to be safe or do we want to take a chance at a home run?

Is this the Gary Harris vs. Zach LaVine debate all over again?

I don't think so. Harris wasn't viewed as an elite shooter the same way Hield is. He was a "do it all" finished product that could help us make the playoffs(and keep Love) immediately and LaVine was an off-the-chart athlete that needed refinement. I don't think there are good comparisons for either of them in this draft.

[southern wolf]

Our biggest need is shooting by far and Buddy brings that. I think you go with him if he's still available at #5

[jpatrick]

I think Murray is much more Reddick-like than Hield. Most of Hield's threes were going one-on-one our kick outs while he was spotting up. He rarely ran off screens like Reddick does constantly.

After being taken off the ball, Murray was constantly running off screens for threes. He also spotted up and went one-on-one some. Given what he did for Team Canada and at Kentucky at his age, I think he's easily a top four pick.

The problem is that my guess the top four could very well go Simmons, Ingram, Murray, Bender. That leaves us with Dunn, Hield, or reach for a big. I just don't love the options. Dunn is a freak type athlete, but I don't know if he makes us a better team now or in the future than Rubio.

[Takingbaconback]

I'm not sure if you realize how good JJ Redick is and how important he is to the Clippers. He led the league in 3pt% by over 2%. Having someone with his shooting ability on this team would basically transform our offense.

I don't think you understand how good LaVine is and how good he is going to be. How would JJ Redick transform the offense? He would replace the one guy who was actually a good perimeter shooter for the wolves, not to mention his athleticism and speed and handle with the ball which JJ does not have.

This is the problem with Ricky supporters. You can't have your cake and eat it too. LaVine is and will be an even better shooter, he is not the problem when you talk about the lack of shooting on the team. Rubio is the primary problem, look to draft a guy like Murray if you really want to solve wolves shooting woes who can backup Rubio and eventually take over in a year or two.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I'm not sure if you realize how good JJ Redick is and how important he is to the Clippers. He led the league in 3pt% by over 2%. Having someone with his shooting ability on this team would basically transform our offense.

I don't think you understand how good LaVine is and how good he is going to be. How would JJ Redick transform the offense? He would replace the one guy who was actually a good perimeter shooter for the wolves, not to mention his athleticism and speed and handle with the ball which JJ does not have.

This is the problem with Ricky supporters. You can't have your cake and eat it too. LaVine is and will be an even better shooter, he is not the problem when you talk about the lack of shooting on the team. Rubio is the primary problem, look to draft a guy like Murray if you really want to solve wolves shooting woes who can backup Rubio and eventually take over in a year or two.

You cant compare Rubio and Lavine.

You are right that Lavine is NOT a problem when you talk about a lack of shooting on this team; however, he is a problem when you think about winning basketball games. For me, Rubio is like a Draymond Green. He isnt going to carry your team, but he is the guy that can hold everything together; a superstar role player type.

You are failing to see the good that Rubio brings while ignoring all the bad that Lavine brings when trying to compare the 2.

[andyhop]

LaVine is basically unplayable at the moment if you put him on the court without Rubio, his offense drops off a cliff to become as bad as his defense.

[Klomp]

LaVine is basically unplayable at the moment if you put him on the court without Rubio, his offense drops off a cliff to become as bad as his defense.

No, he is unplayable when you put him at PG. He was just fine playing next to either Jones or Miller.

[Klomp]

Rubio should not be a factor in this conversation. What would playing Zach LaVine and Buddy Hield (JJ Redick in this situation) solve? Not having Rubio wouldn't improve the situation, because it has nothing to do with him. This is about the SG spot and Rubio's backup.

[andyhop]

LaVine is basically unplayable at the moment if you put him on the court without Rubio, his offense drops off a cliff to become as bad as his defense.

No, he is unplayable when you put him at PG. He was just fine playing next to either Jones or Miller.

With Miller TS% 48.9 PPP 1.01
With Tyus TS% 53.2 PPP 1.02
With Rubio TS% 58.8 PPP 1.21

So OK unplayable is a little exaggerated but he isn't good

[Saltine]

Dunn is 6'3" without shoes, is worse than Ricky at everything, and Tyus at playing the point, shoots %69.5 on Free Throws, and %37.2 on threes with 3.4 attempts per game. Maybe can play good D. Quick, explosive, crap shooting mechanics. Good at creating turnovers, for both teams.

Murray is Canadian, and 6'3 without shoes. Crappy point guard, Tyus would laugh at him. Shot %78.3 on Free Throws, %40.8 on threes with 7.7 attempts per game. Is a decent traffic cone on D, might get better. Nice shot, can't drink.

Buddy is 6'3.75" without shoes, can't play the point, which is nice, shoots 88% on Free Throws, and %45.7 on 8.7 three point attempts per game. Maybe can play OK D. Excellent, quick shot. Always looks really happy.

Furkan Korkmaz has an excellent name, is 18 years old, stands 203 cm, 6'8" without shoes. Shoots 44% on threes... very impressive eyebrows, and his videos have awesome 80's style Jan Hammer music. Obviously born to ball. ;
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWhTCg6nQdw[/youtube]

Maybe we should trade down for Furkan and Domantas Sabonis???

[Klomp]

A trade-down isn't happening. I just don't see it.

[drone3]

Take Murray and sign Ezeli

Rubio / Jones
Murray / Lavine
Wiggins / Baz
KAT / Bjelica
Ezeli / Dieng

[LaViggins]

I see our worst possible outcomes being Buddy (Huge Kmart upgrade) or Dunn (Tyus upgrade) which is great. If Buddy gets picked top 3/4 then things will get interesting. Boston and Phoenix arent the strongest at SF either, definitely have to think they will take a look at Jaylen.

[wolves_89]

It seems pretty clear that Bender is going to go at 3 or 4 and the other pick will be one out of Murray/Dunn/Hield/Brown, leaving the other three as the best options for the Wolves. I don't think Brown really fits, so the choice should come down to the best player out of those left (Murray/Dunn/Hield).

At this point I honestly don't have a strong preference out of Murray, Dunn, or Hield. Murray makes sense because he's 3 years younger, is a very good shooter, and has a lot of upside. Dunn has all-star upside and could be the team's PG through the core's prime years, but he doesn't fill a current need with Rubio/Jones already on the team. Hield has the elite shooting the team needs and is more NBA ready than Murray, but he doesn't have as high a ceiling. So, I really hope the individual workouts provide more clarity on who is the best fit because at the moment I can't convince myself that one of the options stands out.

[Teen_Wolf]

It'll be interesting to see what happens if Boston draft Bender, I don't think Phoenix need yet another backcourt guy so they could end up taking Brown. I'd still take Buddy myself but I do like Murray a bit as well.