ALL RUBIO TALK HERE

[big3_8_19_21]

FLYNN'S AGENT LEON ROSE TELLS HIM ONE OF HIM OR RUBIO WOULD PROBABLY BE DEALT:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jon ... t-Six-3290

Start watching about the 5:35 mark. Flynn says his agent told him during the draft that the Wolves were going to take Rubio at 5 and him at 6 and then probably try to trade one of them.

[Worm Guts]

It would be a lot easier to trade Flynn if he wins ROY as a PG. On the other hand, it would be a lot harder to move him to SG after he won ROY. If Rubio stays in Europe for another year, Flynn will surely be traded. Not exactly the outcome we were hoping for with two lottery picks.

I wouldn't say that's not the outcome we were hoping for. We're hoping to build a contender, not draft players that play for our team. If Flynn ups his value then is traded and Rubio comes over and plays like a stud, I'd say that's best case scenario.

[Krapinsky]

Rubio's hometown just outside of Barcelona.

HE'S GOING TO LOVE IT HERE!!!

[revprodeji]

FLYNN'S AGENT LEON ROSE TELLS HIM ONE OF HIM OR RUBIO WOULD PROBABLY BE DEALT:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jon ... t-Six-3290

Start watching about the 5:35 mark. Flynn says his agent told him during the draft that the Wolves were going to take Rubio at 5 and him at 6 and then probably try to trade one of them.

Key part is "probably", meaning it is an agent assuming.

I am cool with dealing one of them if the value is there. But not as a fire sale.

Fran V cannot come over because he is bound to the rookie salary slot for a mid-round pick and that is pennies for what he makes in europe. Very, very different situation than Rubio.

[Krapinsky]

Wiretap.

Leaning towards Spain. He's very confused....

[avempace]

Wiretap.

Leaning towards Spain. He's very confused....

His team can not afford to lose the buyout. It is a poker game now, the "GM" of his current team wish he doesn't go back, they need the money, but they are a bit greedy. I am sure the size of the buy out will not hold in court, is an abusive contract

[john2jer]

Wiretap.

Leaning towards Spain. He's very confused....

His team can not afford to lose the buyout. It is a poker game now, the "GM" of his current team wish he doesn't go back, they need the money, but they are a bit greedy. I am sure the size of the buy out will not hold in court, is an abusive contract

That's mostly right, except the Spanish IRS owns the rights to his contract due to a transfer covering Juventut's debt. Maybe Obama needs to step in.

[BrooklynBulls]

In terms of preventing stuff like this from ever happening, my idea is to allow the team to pay the full buyout amount- the caveat is that the player must be drafted in the 1st round. The 500,000 dollar limit was put in place to prevent rich NBA teams from buying all the Euro talent by paying all their buyouts, but now this is impossible as it would require a 1st round draft pick first. It basically solves the Rubio problem, and could have solved the Splitter, Scola dilemmas as well. Thoughts on this?

[MattyP]

In terms of preventing stuff like this from ever happening, my idea is to allow the team to pay the full buyout amount- the caveat is that the player must be drafted in the 1st round. The 500,000 dollar limit was put in place to prevent rich NBA teams from buying all the Euro talent by paying all their buyouts, but now this is impossible as it would require a 1st round draft pick first. It basically solves the Rubio problem, and could have solved the Splitter, Scola dilemmas as well. Thoughts on this?

There should probably be a limit of one or two players per draft though on top of the "1st round pick" rule... otherwise you'd get teams like Portland buying late picks and buying out contracts, etc. But I like that idea in principle.

[BrooklynBulls]

In terms of preventing stuff like this from ever happening, my idea is to allow the team to pay the full buyout amount- the caveat is that the player must be drafted in the 1st round. The 500,000 dollar limit was put in place to prevent rich NBA teams from buying all the Euro talent by paying all their buyouts, but now this is impossible as it would require a 1st round draft pick first. It basically solves the Rubio problem, and could have solved the Splitter, Scola dilemmas as well. Thoughts on this?

There should probably be a limit of one or two players per draft though on top of the "1st round pick" rule... otherwise you'd get teams like Portland buying late picks and buying out contracts, etc. But I like that idea in principle.

That's a really good idea: you can only use your OWN draft pick for this exception. I term it "The Rubio Exception."

[avempace]

Wiretap.

Leaning towards Spain. He's very confused....

His team can not afford to lose the buyout. It is a poker game now, the "GM" of his current team wish he doesn't go back, they need the money, but they are a bit greedy. I am sure the size of the buy out will not hold in court, is an abusive contract

That's mostly right, except the Spanish IRS owns the rights to his contract due to a transfer covering Juventut's debt. Maybe Obama needs to step in.

Spanish IRS doesn't own anything. The team has used Rubio's buyout as guarantee of the debt, but if Rubio goes back no money.

[Esohny]

In terms of preventing stuff like this from ever happening, my idea is to allow the team to pay the full buyout amount- the caveat is that the player must be drafted in the 1st round. The 500,000 dollar limit was put in place to prevent rich NBA teams from buying all the Euro talent by paying all their buyouts, but now this is impossible as it would require a 1st round draft pick first. It basically solves the Rubio problem, and could have solved the Splitter, Scola dilemmas as well. Thoughts on this?

There should probably be a limit of one or two players per draft though on top of the "1st round pick" rule... otherwise you'd get teams like Portland buying late picks and buying out contracts, etc. But I like that idea in principle.

That's a really good idea: you can only use your OWN draft pick for this exception. I term it "The Rubio Exception."

You're on fire lately.

[Calinks]

Whatever man. Dealing with this guy could be frustrating. I see what Kahn is thinking, just let this kid figure out what the hell he wants to do and wait on him. He's obviously confused and torn. Give him time to mull it over. He's 18, I'm pretty sure his parents have a lot more influence on what he is doing right now than anybody else. Maybe it will take him a year or so to make up his own mind. I'm just tired of dealing with the flip flopping.

[big3_8_19_21]

#5 wasn't our draft pick, so we'd still be screwed.

[BrooklynBulls]

#5 wasn't our draft pick, so we'd still be screwed.

You'd have drafted him at 6.

[Calinks]

In terms of preventing stuff like this from ever happening, my idea is to allow the team to pay the full buyout amount- the caveat is that the player must be drafted in the 1st round. The 500,000 dollar limit was put in place to prevent rich NBA teams from buying all the Euro talent by paying all their buyouts, but now this is impossible as it would require a 1st round draft pick first. It basically solves the Rubio problem, and could have solved the Splitter, Scola dilemmas as well. Thoughts on this?

There should probably be a limit of one or two players per draft though on top of the "1st round pick" rule... otherwise you'd get teams like Portland buying late picks and buying out contracts, etc. But I like that idea in principle.

That's a really good idea: you can only use your OWN draft pick for this exception. I term it "The Rubio Exception."

I like it. Or perhaps the exception only works for lottery picks. That way teams would have to acquire lottery picks which is harder than just buying late first rounders and this still limits teams from taking all the European talent because it may be a big leap to take a European in the lottery just to pay the buyout when they are actually probably late first talent.

[john2jer]

That's mostly right, except the Spanish IRS owns the rights to his contract due to a transfer covering Juventut's debt. Maybe Obama needs to step in.

Spanish IRS doesn't own anything. The team has used Rubio's buyout as guarantee of the debt, but if Rubio goes back no money.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4246467

On Tuesday, according to the Spanish news agency EFE, Rubio sued the team after learning that it had transferred the rights to his buyout to Hacienda, the Spanish version of the Internal Revenue Service. The rights were sold to satisfy a debt Joventut had with Hacienda.

[avempace]

That's mostly right, except the Spanish IRS owns the rights to his contract due to a transfer covering Juventut's debt. Maybe Obama needs to step in.

Spanish IRS doesn't own anything. The team has used Rubio's buyout as guarantee of the debt, but if Rubio goes back no money.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4246467

On Tuesday, according to the Spanish news agency EFE, Rubio sued the team after learning that it had transferred the rights to his buyout to Hacienda, the Spanish version of the Internal Revenue Service. The rights were sold to satisfy a debt Joventut had with Hacienda.

http://www.europapress.es/deportes/balo ... 83625.html

Sorry is in spanish, but basically says that it is false that spanish IRS holds those rights

El DKV Joventut ha comunicado hoy que es "absolutamente falso" que la entidad verdinegra haya realizado una cesión del jugador Ricky Rubio a Hacienda, como indicó el abogado del joven base, en lo que es un nuevo episodio de la polémica por la posible marcha del jugador a la NBA.

En un comunicado oficial del club, además de negar dicha cesión, el Joventut quiso dejar claro su posicionamiento y todo lo ocurrido. La 'Penya' sí que ha ofrecido como garantía para un aplazamiento tributario la cláusula de rescisión del jugador como medida cautelar.

Anyway it doesn't make sense. The IRS dont play with players rights, they just want the cash or confirmation that they will get it.

[C.lupus]

Whatever man. Dealing with this guy could be frustrating. I see what Kahn is thinking, just let this kid figure out what the hell he wants to do and wait on him. He's obviously confused and torn. Give him time to mull it over. He's 18, I'm pretty sure his parents have a lot more influence on what he is doing right now than anybody else. Maybe it will take him a year or so to make up his own mind. I'm just tired of dealing with the flip flopping.

Someone needs to isolate him and his family from all the vultures, douchebag agents, and media and let them decide what is best.

[El_Lobo_3]

Someone needs to isolate him and his family from all the vultures, douchebag agents, and media and let them decide what is best.

AMEN