Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Post #541 » by **The J Rocka** » Sun May 20, 2012 6:13 pm

sisibilio wrote:If Gasol is available this summer as it's looking, and you can get him for somtething like DWill-Darko-Beasley (S&T) you get him and run.

I'd rather have raw capspace, so I'll run regardless and disconnect my phone.

Mattya · Post #542 » by **Mattya** » Sun May 20, 2012 6:19 pm

The J Rocka wrote:
sisibilio wrote:If Gasol is available this summer as it's looking, and you can get him for somtething like DWill-Darko-Beasley (S&T) you get him and run.

I'd rather have raw capspace, so I'll run regardless and disconnect my phone.

Krapinsky · Post #543 » by **Krapinsky** » Sun May 20, 2012 7:03 pm

The J Rocka wrote:
sisibilio wrote:If Gasol is available this summer as it's looking, and you can get him for somtething like DWill-Darko-Beasley (S&T) you get him and run.

I'd rather have raw capspace, so I'll run regardless and disconnect my phone.

I think this team needs toughness, a defensive presences, and playmakers on the wing. Gasol brings non of the above. No longer interested in him.

PistolP · Post #544 » by **PistolP** » Mon May 21, 2012 7:00 pm

Thoughts on this trade:

Deng & #29 for DWilliams, #18 & expiring filler

theGreatRC · Post #545 » by **theGreatRC** » Mon May 21, 2012 7:10 pm

PistolP wrote:Thoughts on this trade:

Deng & #29 for DWilliams, #18 & expiring filler

Depends how long Deng is going to be out after surgery. I like Deng a lot.

PistolP · Post #546 » by **PistolP** » Mon May 21, 2012 7:14 pm

theGreatRC wrote:
PistolP wrote:Thoughts on this trade:

Deng & #29 for DWilliams, #18 & expiring filler

Depends how long Deng is going to be out after surgery. I like Deng a lot.

ESPN reports have said IF he has surgery, the recovery time is 3 to 4 months. Olympics basketball ends by Mid-August, so if he does get surgery, he'll probably miss 2-6 weeks of the regular season.

Esohny · Post #547 » by **Esohny** » Mon May 21, 2012 7:27 pm

That's pretty expensive for Deng, all things considered.

black bart · Post #548 » by **black bart** » Mon May 21, 2012 7:39 pm

PistolP wrote:Thoughts on this trade:

Deng & #29 for DWilliams, #18 & expiring filler

Do it in a heartbeat

Swimmer · Post #549 » by **Swimmer** » Mon May 21, 2012 8:34 pm

Too much to pay for Deng, even without the injury.

jpatrick · Post #550 » by **jpatrick** » Mon May 21, 2012 10:09 pm

This may have been discussed in this thread...37 pages is a lot to flip through.

Which wing of Batum, Iggy and Gay would we "prefer" to have given their contracts (assume Batum signs for 4yr/50m)?

Which, if any, would we be willing to flip D-Will (or more) for? Again assuming Batum is a S/T for the 4/50 contract?

I don't know if any of the three will actually be available. Batum is a FA but Portland could decide to match absolutely any offer.

zauchary · Post #551 » by **zauchary** » Mon May 21, 2012 10:27 pm

I like Batum and would definitely do an S and T that included DWill. I also like Iggy a lot but Batum brings better shooting.

The only thing about taking on a Batum is that we have to make sure that we preserve enough cash to keep the core of Rubio/Love and Pek, assumig that Pek is in the plans long term.

Foye · Post #552 » by **Foye** » Mon May 21, 2012 11:13 pm

The J Rocka wrote:
sisibilio wrote:If Gasol is available this summer as it's looking, and you can get him for somtething like DWill-Darko-Beasley (S&T) you get him and run.

I'd rather have raw capspace, so I'll run regardless and disconnect my phone.

You better do run because this raw capspace crap never leads to anything. Our raw capspace has brought in JJ Barea, Ramon Sessions, Luke Ridnour and Anthony Tolliver in recent years. Thus we've handed a big contract to Darko freakin Milicic.

Trade DWill while he still has value either for a SG/SF stud in this years draft, a young SG (think Evan Turner) or an immediate upgrade at a position of need (think Andre Iguodala)

Post #553 » by **Klomp** » Mon May 21, 2012 11:23 pm

Foye wrote:
The J Rocka wrote:
sisibilio wrote:If Gasol is available this summer as it's looking, and you can get him for somtething like DWill-Darko-Beasley (S&T) you get him and run.

I'd rather have raw capspace, so I'll run regardless and disconnect my phone.

You better do run because this raw capspace crap never leads to anything. Our raw capspace has brought in JJ Barea, Ramon Sessions, Luke Ridnour and Anthony Tolliver in recent years. Thus we've handed a big contract to Darko freakin Milicic.

It has also brought in Michael Beasley and Nikola Pekovic, who you conveniently left off.

Foye · Post #554 » by **Foye** » Mon May 21, 2012 11:31 pm

Klomp wrote:It has also brought in Michael Beasley and Nikola Pekovic, who you conveniently left off.

So has Michael Beasley worked out? I don't think so.

Pek has obviously worked out but he was hardly a raw cap space signing. We could've added him somehow without using our cap space by using parts of the mle considering we already had his rights.

Raw cap space isn't of any use if you're not willing to take on a risk and get a player for it. What we're doing is using our raw cap space each year and get back up players for it. We haven't a single time taken a risk and used our cap space in combination with other assets for a legit player.

I blame David Kahn who has been stuck in evaluating crap players and coaches too much in recent years and hasn't taken a risk to get a good player when they were available.

I'm probably a bit harsh here considering I have a flu and am in a very bad mood right now but you get the idea.

Post #555 » by **Klomp** » Mon May 21, 2012 11:55 pm

Foye wrote:I blame David Kahn who has been stuck in evaluating crap players and coaches too much in recent years and hasn't taken a risk to get a good player when they were available.

Guys like Randolph, Darko, and Beasley were risks. Obviously they didn't pan out, but they were still risks.

Esohny · Post #556 » by **Esohny** » Mon May 21, 2012 11:59 pm

Klomp wrote:
Foye wrote:I blame David Kahn who has been stuck in evaluating crap players and coaches too much in recent years and hasn't taken a risk to get a good player when they were available.

Guys like Randolph, Darko, and Beasley were risks. Obviously they didn't pan out, but they were still risks.

They weren't good players.

Post #557 » by **The J Rocka** » Tue May 22, 2012 12:12 am

Esohny wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Foye wrote:I blame David Kahn who has been stuck in evaluating crap players and coaches too much in recent years and hasn't taken a risk to get a good player when they were available.

Guys like Randolph, Darko, and Beasley were risks. Obviously they didn't pan out, but they were still risks.

They weren't good players.

Darko was pretty much fools gold. That last half of the 09-10 before he got paid was playing the best basketball of his career. Too bad he had to go out the way he did.

Beasley & AR were guys with "red flags" but had a high level of potential. We knew from the beginning if they didn't workout it was still worth it to give them an opportunity. We had nothing to lose.

Now, we have a new identity. With a star big & point guard who loves to pass, bringing talent here shouldn't be as hard as it was in years past.

Esohny · Post #558 » by **Esohny** » Tue May 22, 2012 12:23 am

The J Rocka wrote:Darko was pretty much fools gold. That last half of the 09-10 before he got paid was playing the best basketball of his career. Too bad he had to go out the way he did.

Beasley & AR were guys with "red flags" but had a high level of potential. We knew from the beginning if they didn't workout it was still worth it to give them an opportunity. We had nothing to lose.

Now, we have a new identity. With a star big & point guard who loves to pass, bringing talent here shouldn't be as hard as it was in years past.

So they weren't good players. Two of them were players who might become good later.

Post #559 » by **The J Rocka** » Tue May 22, 2012 12:25 am

Foye wrote:
The J Rocka wrote:
sisibilio wrote:If Gasol is available this summer as it's looking, and you can get him for somtething like DWill-Darko-Beasley (S&T) you get him and run.

I'd rather have raw capspace, so I'll run regardless and disconnect my phone.

You better do run because this raw capspace crap never leads to anything. Our raw capspace has brought in JJ Barea, Ramon Sessions, Luke Ridnour and Anthony Tolliver in recent years. Thus we've handed a big contract to Darko freakin Milicic.

Trade DWill while he still has value either for a SG/SF stud in this years draft, a young SG (think Evan Turner) or an immediate upgrade at a position of need (think Andre Iguodala)

I would like it if Kahn did use our capspace towards a better cause by not handing out 4 year deals to role players. Signing Pekovic & bringing Beasley here were good moves no matter how Beasley turned out. With RA having a say in FA/trades, I trust he'll help bring in the right pieces to help us win.

Post #560 » by **The J Rocka** » Tue May 22, 2012 12:38 am

Esohny wrote:
The J Rocka wrote:Darko was pretty much fools gold. That last half of the 09-10 before he got paid was playing the best basketball of his career. Too bad he had to go out the way he did.

Beasley & AR were guys with "red flags" but had a high level of potential. We knew from the beginning if they didn't workout it was still worth it to give them an opportunity. We had nothing to lose.

Now, we have a new identity. With a star big & point guard who loves to pass, bringing talent here shouldn't be as hard as it was in years past.

So they weren't good players. Two of them were players who might become good later.

AR and Beasley were viewed as good players but had their flaws that turned off some. Yes, both AR & Beasley were players that might become better later. I'd say Beasley in 2010 was viewed as a potential all-star in the making in a different environment away from Miami. Before AR was here, it was Don Nelson who "stopped his development" and in NY he wasn't given an opportunity.

Pretty much hindsight now but at the time of those moves, I'd say two of the three were viewed as good moves with good players. We can laugh now but I think a lot of us felt they were good players at the time we got them.