Trade Talk (Part Thirteen): 2023 Offseason Edition

[Klomp]

I doubt Indiana is a team we'll deal with, unless it's a three-way deal.

I still wonder if eventually things will end up with the Knicks back in the middle of the discussions. Not for Randle, don't worry. Just spitballing here...send Barrett to Indiana for their primary return. We get Haliburton in the deal. I personally wouldn't hate getting back the 25-year old Mitchell Robinson if we had to...Fournier is a large expiring and could cook French cuisine with Rudy.

I just can't see Barrett being the piece that gets Indy to move on from Hali.

On his own, probably not. Probably a bunch of picks involved.

[younggunsmn]

Indiana feels the same way about Haliburton that we do about Ant. Franchise player. He isn't going anywhere.
If you are formulating a Haliburton trade, you should ask yourself if you would accept that return for Ant, because that is what it would take.

One interesting scenario to keep an eye on is that Giannis can be a free agent next summer.
What if Ant turns in an MVP level season? Would that make us attractive at all to Giannis as a potential destination?
We don't have any cap space, but if the alternative is losing him for nothing, would the Bucks entertain a sign and trade based around a KAT/Giannis swap? Both teams being deep in the luxury tax next year might complicate that a lot.
But a guy can dream. The shooting would be highly suspect, but we'd set a record for paint points every night.
And the defense might set records with ant/jaden/giannis/gobert.

Best scenario for us is a healthy KAT doing some regular season feasting and rehabilitating that trade value.
If we can get enough teams to see him as even a neutral contract, all of a sudden you have a very marketable asset.

IMHO with his age and contract Gobert will never return to having positive trade value.
No one wants a 40 mil+ defense only player, no matter how good.

[shangrila]

Haliburton is their Ant. You're insane if you think we can get him for Towns, let alone any other garbage offer.

[BlacJacMac]

Haliburton is their Ant. You're insane if you think we can get him for Towns, let alone any other garbage offer.

Exactly.

That's why the only potential window was if SAC would've been interested in Towns over Sabonis.

[minimus]

Horrible idea. Any trade sending KAT to Indi better include Hali or many FRPs. Screw the SRPs. You're way overrating Nembhard. and having us take garbage. One of the most one sided trade proposals going against the Wolves I have ever seen.

Yeah, and I have tried to do my best! If you saw my other trade proposals

[TimberKat]

Haliburton is their Ant. You're insane if you think we can get him for Towns, let alone any other garbage offer.

Exactly.

That's why the only potential window was if SAC would've been interested in Towns over Sabonis.

At the same time, Haliburton is not an alpha and they are paying him max. He is like a prime Conley to me. Maybe we tank this year so we get a top 10 pick. Trade JMcD + Pick + future swap for him. Tanking also keep Ant from landing on All NBA third team so we don't have to paid him supermax I think Heli would be the guy that could make the Twin Towers work also, so like to keep Towns and Gobert.

[shrink]

First, I’ll say that I’ve loved watching Halliburton, and would love him on this team. I doubt we have the assets to pry him from Indiana - he would have to choose to come here as a free agent, many years down the road.

That said, even if another team values their best player highly, he isn’t their Ant. Halliburton is a good example for me, of a guy that has been very smart and maximized his game despite his limitations. Ant’s physicality means he has a ceiling that Halliburton can’t even see. Best case Hali is a regular All Star, unlikely All-NBA. Best case for Ant is best player in the NBA.

[BlacJacMac]

Haliburton is their Ant. You're insane if you think we can get him for Towns, let alone any other garbage offer.

Exactly.

That's why the only potential window was if SAC would've been interested in Towns over Sabonis.

At the same time, Haliburton is not an alpha and they are paying him max. He is like a prime Conley to me. Maybe we tank this year so we get a top 10 pick. Trade JMcD + Pick + future swap for him. Tanking also keep Ant from landing on All NBA third team so we don't have to paid him supermax I think Heli would be the guy that could make the Twin Towers work also, so like to keep Towns and Gobert.

3 worst case scenarios...

[Klomp]

Any Haliburton talk centers around the idea that's been floated around that Team USA breeds "superfriends" that decide to team up down the road in the future. Ant is an infectious personality to be around, and many people expect that he's at the center of these "superfriends" conversations, which is why people bring up someone like Haliburton coming here. It's probably not happening, but it's fun to think about especially with a gaping hole at PG.

Don't forget, Haliburton is born and raised in Wisconsin and attended college in Iowa. The upper midwest is home to him, so it's not like convincing a lifelong Californian or Floridian.

[shangrila]

Any Haliburton talk centers around the idea that's been floated around that Team USA breeds "superfriends" that decide to team up down the road in the future. Ant is an infectious personality to be around, and many people expect that he's at the center of these "superfriends" conversations, which is why people bring up someone like Haliburton coming here. It's probably not happening, but it's fun to think about especially with a gaping hole at PG.

Don't forget, Haliburton is born and raised in Wisconsin and attended college in Iowa. The upper midwest is home to him, so it's not like convincing a lifelong Californian or Floridian.

So, two problems.

1. The last time "superfriends" teamed up it was in Miami. And the best player and most magnetic personality left his small market team to go there. So...maybe not such a positive thing for fans of the team.

2. Offering crap for young stars because "reasons" (especially asinine ones like the above) is the same kind of crap we've had to put up with for decades. Now you want to turn around and do the same to Indiana. It's not cool.

[shangrila]

First, I’ll say that I’ve loved watching Halliburton, and would love him on this team. I doubt we have the assets to pry him from Indiana - he would have to choose to come here as a free agent, many years down the road.

That said, even if another team values their best player highly, he isn’t their Ant. Halliburton is a good example for me, of a guy that has been very smart and maximized his game despite his limitations. Ant’s physicality means he has a ceiling that Halliburton can’t even see. Best case Hali is a regular All Star, unlikely All-NBA. Best case for Ant is best player in the NBA.

He's the face and future of their franchise. Whether you think he's the same calibre of player as Ant is irrelevant, he's their absolute untouchable (same as Ant).

[Note30]

First, I’ll say that I’ve loved watching Halliburton, and would love him on this team. I doubt we have the assets to pry him from Indiana - he would have to choose to come here as a free agent, many years down the road.

That said, even if another team values their best player highly, he isn’t their Ant. Halliburton is a good example for me, of a guy that has been very smart and maximized his game despite his limitations. Ant’s physicality means he has a ceiling that Halliburton can’t even see. Best case Hali is a regular All Star, unlikely All-NBA. Best case for Ant is best player in the NBA.

He's the face and future of their franchise. Whether you think he's the same calibre of player as Ant is irrelevant, he's their absolute untouchable (same as Ant).

Ant isn't untouchable. Give me Shai, Giddey, and every pick OKC can trade and I'm down.

[Domejandro]

Yeah, there is absolutely no world in which Minnesota trades for Tyrese Haliburton within the next four seasons. Indiana absolutely love him, and for good reason.

[Klomp]

Yeah, there is absolutely no world in which Minnesota trades for Tyrese Haliburton within the next four seasons. Indiana absolutely love him, and for good reason.

I agree that it is unlikely, but Indiana also has traded its last two "faces of the franchise." Sabonis was 25. George was 26.

[KGdaBom]

Haliburton is their Ant. You're insane if you think we can get him for Towns, let alone any other garbage offer.

KAT is just about right for Hali.

[KGdaBom]

First, I’ll say that I’ve loved watching Halliburton, and would love him on this team. I doubt we have the assets to pry him from Indiana - he would have to choose to come here as a free agent, many years down the road.

That said, even if another team values their best player highly, he isn’t their Ant. Halliburton is a good example for me, of a guy that has been very smart and maximized his game despite his limitations. Ant’s physicality means he has a ceiling that Halliburton can’t even see. Best case Hali is a regular All Star, unlikely All-NBA. Best case for Ant is best player in the NBA.

He's the face and future of their franchise. Whether you think he's the same calibre of player as Ant is irrelevant, he's their absolute untouchable (same as Ant).

Ant isn't untouchable. Give me Shai, Giddey, and every pick OKC can trade and I'm down.

About right, but I'm not sure I would do it.

[shangrila]

Haliburton is their Ant. You're insane if you think we can get him for Towns, let alone any other garbage offer.

KAT is just about right for Hali.

No he isn't. Halliburton has far more value than Towns.

[shrink]

I think we’re talking about the wrong Pacer guard. I think signing Bruce Brown, and using their #26 pick on SG Ben Sheppard may cut down on some of their extra guard minutes. They already have Halliburton, Mathurin and Hield. Does TJ McConnell fall out of the rotation? Who does Nembhard bump for minutes?

I think if we’re worrying about Mike Conley’s health after December 15th when our free agent signings become trade eligible, Indiana might make a good place to look for a trade partner.

[KGdaBom]

Haliburton is their Ant. You're insane if you think we can get him for Towns, let alone any other garbage offer.

KAT is just about right for Hali.

No he isn't. Halliburton has far more value than Towns.

Your opinion he does. My opinion he doesn't.

[KGdaBom]

I think we’re talking about the wrong Pacer guard. I think signing Bruce Brown, and using their #26 pick on SG Ben Sheppard may cut down on some of their extra guard minutes. They already have Halliburton, Mathurin and Hield. Does TJ McConnell fall out of the rotation? Who does Nembhard bump for minutes?

I think if we’re worrying about Mike Conley’s health after December 15th when our free agent signings become trade eligible, Indiana might make a good place to look for a trade partner.

Minimus had us trading KAT for Nembhard and garbage. I'm OK with giving up a 2nd round pick and one of our bench guards.