Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Trading dlo would be so stupid. If Kat or ant go down, we have 1 guy who can get 30 a night

What kind of argument is that? If one of the top 2 players/scorers on almost any team go down, you just shouldn't hope to achieve much that season, you should just wait for the next one lol. We have nothing to hope for if KAT or Ant go down for a long time.

It means you have DLO and Ant to carry the scoring load.

2>1

We know Simmons can’t. And if dlo and Beas are gone to Philly….

[FinnTheHuman]

Trading dlo would be so stupid. If Kat or ant go down, we have 1 guy who can get 30 a night

What kind of argument is that? If one of the top 2 players/scorers on almost any team go down, you just shouldn't hope to achieve much that season, you should just wait for the next one lol. We have nothing to hope for if KAT or Ant go down for a long time.

It means you have DLO and Ant to carry the scoring load.

2>1

We know Simmons can’t. And if dlo and Beas are gone to Philly….

Yeah but what hope do we have to reach the playoffs if KAT gets injured? Ride Naz Reid 30+ minutes a night and hope DLo and Ant can win you games like that? No way, if KAT goes down, Wolves go down unfortunately.

[KGdaBom]

What kind of argument is that? If one of the top 2 players/scorers on almost any team go down, you just shouldn't hope to achieve much that season, you should just wait for the next one lol. We have nothing to hope for if KAT or Ant go down for a long time.

It means you have DLO and Ant to carry the scoring load.

2>1

We know Simmons can’t. And if dlo and Beas are gone to Philly….

Yeah but what hope do we have to reach the playoffs if KAT gets injured? Ride Naz Reid 30+ minutes a night and hope DLo and Ant can win you games like that? No way, if KAT goes down, Wolves go down unfortunately.

I'm going to side with Finn. We should not be fearing what if somebody gets injured as a consideration in whether to trade or not. Unless the player we are trading for has a proven track record of getting injured a lot.

[moonpie]

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I'm not sure I don't have a subscription, just saw the tweet

EDIT: Found this quote from Reddit:

[Jon Krawczynski] Some combination of players including Malik Beasley, Jaden McDaniels, Patrick Beverley or Taurean Prince (for salary matching) with draft picks isn’t as bad as some may think. Aldridge later says Beasley/McDaniels/picks for Simmons wouldn’t be ridiculous.

[KGdaBom]

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Any interesting quotes or info?

I'm not sure I don't have a subscription, just saw the tweet

EDIT: Found this quote from Reddit:

[Jon Krawczynski] Some combination of players including Malik Beasley, Jaden McDaniels, Patrick Beverley or Taurean Prince (for salary matching) with draft picks isn’t as bad as some may think. Aldridge later says Beasley/McDaniels/picks for Simmons wouldn’t be ridiculous.

Sounds about right.

[moonpie]

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[Baseline81]

FWIW, here's the latest from NBASupes (Hawksquawk):

Just got an update this morning.

Philly is calling Klutch's bluff on Maxey. That said, Philly does realize they will likely have to trade Simmons and that he likely won't play another game with Philly. They come to that agreement. It seems like they are willing to hold out and want to see how things shake out. If they are getting picks, they want a lack of chemistry to get the best possible picks. He says the four teams that have the best shot at Simmons are POR, MIN, CLE, and DAL. Teams outside of the mix are TOR, SAC, and Utah. As of right now, the best players available are McCollum, Sexton, Porzingis, Hield, Ingles, Clarkson, and FVV. What would intrigue PHI is Fox, Haliburton, Siakam, Okoro, Mobley, Barnes, Lillard, Covington, Russell, and O.G. A.

He basically said, right now, the current market seems a tad underwhelming compared to around the draft. This could be a massive miscalculation from PHI. They really didn't think Simmons would sit out and not report even if they knew it could happen.

Based on what he is saying, he thinks PHI will wait till DEC to make a trade no matter what just to see what the best offer is at that time. Maybe someone is desperate and the picks have more meaning then. PHI is playing with fire because Maxey is someone they value a lot and this is really screwing up any potential moves for Simmons.

I did not hear any details of Miami or San Antonio in the mix for Simmons. I've already said LAL and ATL are out on Simmons but both were in during draft season. Most of the teams who were in on Simmons still are in. DAL is a new addition, they are in as well and willing to trade KP and picks for Simmons.

Almost forgot, Houston is a team that's also outside the mix but their limited in what they are willing to offer. I heard it's not much value.

Yep, they been getting draft picks offered as well. The biggest issue is three things

1. Simmons contract

2. His fit in the modern NBA playoffs

3. His willingness to improve



It's really limiting his market. Honestly, PHI wouldn't trade Simmons if he wasn't completely done with Philadelphia. The market just ain't what they want it to be. Its loaded with non playoff teams offering B tier players and protected 1sts. MIN is the only teams willing to offer lightly protected 1sts but the value really isn't that intriguing for now. Maybe it will be in December.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

What kind of argument is that? If one of the top 2 players/scorers on almost any team go down, you just shouldn't hope to achieve much that season, you should just wait for the next one lol. We have nothing to hope for if KAT or Ant go down for a long time.

It means you have DLO and Ant to carry the scoring load.

2>1

We know Simmons can’t. And if dlo and Beas are gone to Philly….

Yeah but what hope do we have to reach the playoffs if KAT gets injured? Ride Naz Reid 30+ minutes a night and hope DLo and Ant can win you games like that? No way, if KAT goes down, Wolves go down unfortunately.

Our bench is depleted of anything if we trade for Simmons. Especially if Beverley goes. If kat hurts his wrist, it’s nice having 2 players who can get you 30. Dlo carried Brooklyn to the playoffs. We can Steal some games you wouldn’t normally win. Yea we’re doing zero playoff damage if kat is out. I agree you can’t base every move on what if but as a life long wolves fan, it’s grown accustomed to me that whatever could go wrong…will.

[jpatrick]

NBASupes. I love just random insider that I don’t believe at all. I really do eat that stuff up. But Dal and Cleveland may be two of the worst fits in the NBA. Luka is the most ball dominant dude around. I just don’t see a fit there. And Cleveland already has space issues with Mobley/Allen. Simmons would be awful in that situation.

[moonpie]

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Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report on the Ben Simmons situation on the Halftime App: "It's still-water right now. Sacramento and Golden State have gotten off the phones. Minnesota's package hasn't moved the needle. Toronto has been out on Simmons since drafting Scottie Barnes."

Looks like all the teams that were listed as suitors have gotten off for now. Fischer also said that it's incredibly possible that this drama drags on until the trade deadline.

https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-ben-simmons-trade-lillard-mccollum-blazers-20210902.html

Aaron Fentress is a Trailblazers reporter for The Oregonian and OregonLive.com. Gina Mizell is a (recently new) Sixers beat writer for The Philadelphia Inquirer.

Fentress: Should the Blazers struggle and things aren’t working out, I could see a scenario where Lillard backs the Blazers into a corner and wants out before the trade deadline. However, I’m more inclined to believe that any potential Lillard deal wouldn’t take place until next summer should Portland fail once again to make a major deal to acquire another star...However, one major problem here is that Simmons has reportedly said he does not want to play in Portland. That would be a huge turn off for the Blazers. The last thing they’d want to do is trade Lillard for a potential headache.

Mizell: OK, let’s close the Lillard door and open the McCollum one, since that seems far more realistic heading into training camp and the season. McCollum’s name has swirled in trade rumors for years. Would a swap for Simmons be an ideal scenario for the Blazers to break up their longtime backcourt?

Fentress: Yes! I wrote 2,000 words on why I would trade McCollum for Simmons in a heartbeat. I love the fit for both teams. However, I’ve been told by some within the Blazers organization that they are not sure how well Simmons and Lillard would fit together. Simmons wants to play the Magic Johnson role, which requires having the ball in his hands. Well, that’s Lillard’s job. I could see Lillard playing off the ball more often but in the end, it’s his team and he will want the ball the majority of the time. That would force Simmons to play a role he isn’t used to.

[SCTwins]

29 pages, guys.

[KGdaBom]

29 pages, guys.

It's a big deal. Trading for Simmons or not has huge implications for our franchise.

[_AIJ_]

29 pages, guys.

Why not? Ben will and can help this team significantly

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Portland’s tied in with 2 of the highest paid salaries in the league. Outside of those 2 players, really just one, the roster is pretty meh lol.
CJ and Dame are making 80 combined. Any combo with Simmons is up near 80 with less scoring.

I see it as a sideways move for Portland, you’re just locked in with another high paying contract.


Glad the wolves offer isn’t moving the needle. Let Philly squirm.

[Dewey]

Might be good if it gets put on ice a while … teams get a chance to see what works and what don’t, but Simmons sits without pay and Philly in the meantime will be +\- ??

Interesting

[shrink]

I doubt that Simmons is still on the roster by media day. Right now, PHI fans blame Morey. If this fiasco reaches Media Day, every damn player is going to be asked repeatedly about Simmons. Simmons is going to be the focus of every conversation, just like now, but magnified. The players don’t deserve that, and it would certainly hurt the team.

And can you even imagine Morey’s false threat of starting the season with Simmons on the roster? As Pelton pointed out, the very first time Simmons makes a bad play, the fans are going to boo him like crazy. Maybe even before. How do we think Simmons play will respond? Is he going to have even less confidence or desire to improve for Philly? Philly fans don’t like the offers now, but I think they would seriously take a nose dive later, if his performance continues to decline, and the majority start looking differently at his long, expensive deal.

For lurking PHI fans, I don’t say this as someone who wants Simmons here.

[KGdaBom]

I doubt that Simmons is still on the roster by media day. Right now, PHI fans blame Morey. If this fiasco reaches Media Day, every damn player is going to be asked repeatedly about Simmons. Simmons is going to be the focus of every conversation, just like now, but magnified. The players don’t deserve that, and it would certainly hurt the team.

And can you even imagine Morey’s false threat of starting the season with Simmons on the roster? As Pelton pointed out, the very first time Simmons makes a bad play, the fans are going to boo him like crazy. Maybe even before. How do we think Simmons play will respond? Is he going to have even less confidence or desire to improve for Philly? Philly fans don’t like the offers now, but I think they would seriously take a nose dive later, if his performance continues to decline, and the majority start looking differently at his long, expensive deal.

For lurking PHI fans, I don’t say this as someone who wants Simmons here.

No. You say it in a very condescending way to the Wolves fans who do want Simmons here.

[Nick K]

PErsonally, I think Dlo, Beasley, and McDaniels would be greatly beneficial to Philly right now. Maybe not what they are looking for in a return but all three of those guys would be a big help.

Jaden can play good defense and be an everyman type right now. Probably low stats but he can make an impact. Beasley's shooting would be fantastic for them, knock down three's, willingness to take shots, and he plays with energy. I think a good defensive team like Philly, he could be a positive on defense when he has a lot of competence around him.

Dlo is a lot of what Simmons isn't. Dlo is not a good defender but he can create and get shots at any time. He won't hesitate to take big shots and I just don't know how you would stop Philly if they Dlo+Beasley and their other guys on the floor. Clogging the pain would be a nightmare as the shooting would be way too good from the perimeter. They would be a hard team to stop.

Let me get thhis straight. You want to give up 20 pts a night with Dlo, 15 pts a night with Beasley and 10 pts or more from McD. That's 45 pts and we get back 14. I don't see us as a stronger team. Look at the depth we lose for a guy who can't shoot. Shooting is the most important skill in the game today. How great would Steph and Durant be if they couldn't shoot?

We get back a very good defender and a guy who can drive to the basket. It just doesn't seem fair to me.

At this point nobody is going to change anyones mind. i almost wish it were over so we could talk about something else.

Wouldn't it be great if there was a strong consensus to get the guy? When half the people here argue against that should be telling.

I've always said I'd like the guy without giving up the core of Dlo, McD, Ant or Kat. Philly is in a very bad negotiating position and it's getting worse. They know it and so does Rosas. I trust him to make the right call. I can walk from this deal very easily.

[TheProdigy]

I doubt that Simmons is still on the roster by media day. Right now, PHI fans blame Morey. If this fiasco reaches Media Day, every damn player is going to be asked repeatedly about Simmons. Simmons is going to be the focus of every conversation, just like now, but magnified. The players don’t deserve that, and it would certainly hurt the team.

And can you even imagine Morey’s false threat of starting the season with Simmons on the roster? As Pelton pointed out, the very first time Simmons makes a bad play, the fans are going to boo him like crazy. Maybe even before. How do we think Simmons play will respond? Is he going to have even less confidence or desire to improve for Philly? Philly fans don’t like the offers now, but I think they would seriously take a nose dive later, if his performance continues to decline, and the majority start looking differently at his long, expensive deal.

For lurking PHI fans, I don’t say this as someone who wants Simmons here.

No. You say it in a very condescending way to the Wolves fans who do want Simmons here.

Shrink makes many good points here. What exactly did he say that you perceive as condescending?

[shrink]

I doubt that Simmons is still on the roster by media day. Right now, PHI fans blame Morey. If this fiasco reaches Media Day, every damn player is going to be asked repeatedly about Simmons. Simmons is going to be the focus of every conversation, just like now, but magnified. The players don’t deserve that, and it would certainly hurt the team.

And can you even imagine Morey’s false threat of starting the season with Simmons on the roster? As Pelton pointed out, the very first time Simmons makes a bad play, the fans are going to boo him like crazy. Maybe even before. How do we think Simmons play will respond? Is he going to have even less confidence or desire to improve for Philly? Philly fans don’t like the offers now, but I think they would seriously take a nose dive later, if his performance continues to decline, and the majority start looking differently at his long, expensive deal.

For lurking PHI fans, I don’t say this as someone who wants Simmons here.

No. You say it in a very condescending way to the Wolves fans who do want Simmons here.

What? There is nothing in this post that talks about Minnesota at all, or really even Simmons - just Simmons if he stays in PHI. This post was about the limited options Philly has now, which will likely lead to a trade soon.

If you feel “very condescended to” in this post, that’s something inside of you - not anything I wrote here.