urinesane wrote:Nick K wrote:shrink wrote:This is an excellent way to make your case, so bravo. It’s especially important with someone like Randle, that even with two All NBA nods now, is going to be someone who we are resistant to.
Personally, I’d prefer KAT. I like the team loyalty, and I hope we will see Towns providing eight three pointers a game. I worry more about Randle being bothered that he isn’t the #1, than Towns, even here. I’m also concerned how Randle will act if he doesn’t get a super-max like Towns, now that he qualifies.
Randle for Towns would be a disaster. Towns is the much better player. Randle is a head case. I don't understand why people are so down on Towns? His injury this year was a fluke.
OK, he had a couple of subpar playoff games. Everybody does. Look at Harden and Embiid. They both had stinker games especially when it mattered.
The same people making a stink about KAT are probably the same ones that now worship KG as a demi-god, but were probably the same ones complaining because he wasn't the clutch time scorer they wanted him to be in MN. He did EVERYTHING... but he didn't take over games late consistently enough for them offensively (because he was the man and the only one capable of doing it).
Then he goes to a team that has clutch scorers and in basically everyone's eyes becomes an all-time great... he was the same guy in MN, he just wasn't a one man team. Fans won't let players be who they are and instead always focus on what they "should be" or weigh heavily on weaknesses in their game while completely ignoring the positives.
I always respected KG so let's see your next attempt to discredit my opinion with a strawman.
KAT is an incredible basketball player, but that doesn't mean he will be what the fans think he should be. If KAT ended up going to a team where he didn't have to be THE GUY, he would probably win multiple championships.
You can nearly count on one hand the number of active players that have won multiple championships so this is far from a given.
Then we'd need to talk about what not being THE GUY means. Is he the 2nd best player winning multiple championships? The 3rd? And can the team afford to pay the 2nd or 3rd best player 40-50% of the cap?
We finally have a situation IN MN where he doesn't have to be the top dog, and rather than enjoying the fact that KAT can just be himself, people make up false narratives that somehow there's now a power struggle between Ant and KAT. KAT did what and said what he was supposed to when the franchise put everything on his shoulders... does that mean it's what he wanted or that it's what is best for him to be successful on the court? Absolutely not.
I'll assume this is directed at me even though it indicates you either can't read or are being willfully ignorant in order to create another strawman.
I've never stated that there's conflict between them, I've only ever stated that there may be moving forward. Which is true, there very well might. There might not. Neither of us knows how it will play out. But given we saw an incredibly similar situation play out in the way I've described in recent history (Lillard-Aldridge in Portland) it's worth discussing, even if you don't like it.
I think KAT is more excited for this to be "Ant's team" than anyone, including the fans... but that doesn't mean he wants to leave in order for that to be the case. He wants to benefit from it and get a payoff for all the years of futility and disfunction he had to endure up until this point. Luckily for us, he hasn't demanded to leave what has been a dumpster fire of a franchise and is committed to making this franchise a success (rather than demanding a trade and going to a better franchise with a better roster around him). He has weathered the storm and now that the sun is shining, people are acting like KAT is a vampire.
Oh, you think he's all cool with it? Lovely. I guess we can put any debate to the contrary to rest.
Let's be brutally honest here; KAT stayed for the money. He stayed because if he stays for long enough he would get one of the largest contracts in league history. This idea of "loyalty" is so overblown in sports. As you say, we've largely been a dumpster fire and the state as a whole doesn't compare to other marquee markets (especially for a young rich man). So all things being equal, do you really think he wouldn't have peaced out for Brooklyn (close to where he grew up)?
That's not a shot at him on a personal level either, I expect this from most if not all players. Damian Lillard, the poster child for "loyalty", has never taken a dime less than he could. Beal in Washington did the same. I expect Ant will be here for many, many years even if our franchise continues to be terrible so long as we pay him the most he could get.
The delusional thinking would be offensive if it weren't so sad.
I still remember you trying to debate James Wiseman had "it" because you saw it in his eyes, so maybe slow down on calling others' opinions sad or delusional?
) moments for the upcoming year. So I think you and I agree more than disagree here.
