Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

[winforlose]

Speaking of trade assets, we should still have Matteo Spagnolo’s rights. Might be a good sweetener.

[Domejandro]

Speaking of trade assets, we should still have Matteo Spagnolo’s rights. Might be a good sweetener.

Being honest, I don't think that he has any value around the NBA, to the extent that pretty much every team would prefer a lightly protected second over him.

I don't want to say "no value" (you never know, maybe a team likes him), but functionally pretty close, for what it is worth.

[wolves_89]

If we came away from the trade deadline swapping Kyle Anderson for Monte Morris, how would people feel?

It depends on what Morris looks like when he eventually gets back (the last I report I saw indicated he wasn't going to return until January at the earliest). If he can prove he's healthy and playing at a level similar to his recent seasons, it would be worth considering. Overall I'd say it would be a bit of a downgrade, but the move would help shore up our weakest area.

[TimberKat]

I think GSW is looking for a big right now and likely willing to trade anyone not name Curry. Is there any trade with GSW that makes sense for one of our 3 bigs or maybe even KA? Maybe a Towns for Wiggins swap ? It just seems like yesterday when GSW has a lot of young asset to trade. Now, I don't know if I want any of their players? Not even Thompson.

[winforlose]

I think GSW is looking for a big right now and likely willing to trade anyone not name Curry. Is there any trade with GSW that makes sense for one of our 3 bigs or maybe even KA? Maybe a Towns for Wiggins swap ? It just seems like yesterday when GSW has a lot of young asset to trade. Now, I don't know if I want any of their players? Not even Thompson.

GSW has some decent names, but non they want to move. Is Podz, Moody, and Kuminga enough to get Naz? I don’t think so, but that is a judgement call. Why in the world would we want Standrew Wiggins? He was supposed to be Maple Jordan, instead he an overpaid, lazy, and overhyped fraud. He needed to be the fourth or fifth option to get any kind of success, and fourth or fifth option players don’t usually make north of 20 million dollars.

[Neeva]

I’d do an Anderson, Moore Jr and Minott for Kuminga, Podz or Moody, and Joseph , that’s about it.

[KGdaBom]

I’d do an Anderson, Moore Jr and Minott for Kuminga, Podz or Moody, and Joseph , that’s about it.

I would like to get Pod. I don't give a rat's ass about Kuminga or Joseph. I might give a rat's ass about Moody.

[winforlose]

I’d do an Anderson, Moore Jr and Minott for Kuminga, Podz or Moody, and Joseph , that’s about it.

Don’t need Minotts money in the deal. Would move Shake separately to get under the cap. I don’t see this making us better, and I know they wouldn’t do it. They are benching Klay and Standrew for Moody and Kuminga. Podz is their sharpshooter of the future. Meanwhile we need a PG, and none of them is it. Podz 3 point shooting would be nice, but with a rookie wall coming and a small sample size I wouldn’t trust him in the playoffs. It’s a sign of how good and deep we are that we wouldn’t replace our bench rotation with GSW soon to be starters.

[Neeva]

Well it’s not like we are giving up anything for our playoffs rotation, I fully expect Kyle to be useless this playoff like the last playoffs..

[winforlose]

Well it’s not like we are giving up anything for our playoffs rotation, I fully expect Kyle to be useless this playoff like the last playoffs..

It is more about opportunity cost. Minott might develop into a good player, and Kyle is our only asset with real money toward a backup PG. None of the above 3 can really run the offense if Mike gets hurt.

[Klomp]

OK, I want to go back to the thought about Immanuel Quickley for a moment.

Cleveland looks like it might need to blow up the current roster construction, and Donovan Mitchell is at the center of it. Quickley would probably be the core piece of any return package from New York (where many assume he'll eventually land), but is IQ in any better of a situation in Cleveland? What would interest them from a third team for just Quickley?

[TimberKat]

OK, I want to go back to the thought about Immanuel Quickley for a moment.

Cleveland looks like it might need to blow up the current roster construction, and Donovan Mitchell is at the center of it. Quickley would probably be the core piece of any return package from New York (where many assume he'll eventually land), but is IQ in any better of a situation in Cleveland? What would interest them from a third team for just Quickley?

Cavs is one team I follow very closely. Given what they gave up on the Mitchell trade, they are sticking to plan. They just had a lot of injuries this year. Their core is mostly intact but needs another big that could shoot. Mobley is special at SF but just good at PF. Allen is playing like a poor man's Gobert (not at the all star level he once was). They really missed Markkanen's shooting. DWade should just stay retired and is not effective at PF at all. I think they will figure it out eventually and make a run in the playoffs.

[winforlose]

I watched Dane Moore and I am just confused. He seems to think Finch doesn’t value PGs. How do you go from “Really god damn important,” to we need Kyle’s defense more than a playoff ready backup PG. Finch talks about the value of a PG in crunch time, well is JMAC that guy in a WCF or NBA finals? Is Kyle even playoff worthy. I mean when he is on the floor they defend the paint and dare him to shoot. If Kyle is one of the 7-8 playoff rotation then who are you taking out, TBJ? If Kyle isn’t in the rotation then why not trade him? What if Kyle breaks his hand in game 78? Or worse game 4 of a playoff series?

As for value, Shake has a 5 million non guaranteed second year, that itself has value. Shake has a history of success in Philly that will make teams want a look. Kyle is expiring and plays solid defense. Maybe some other team thinks they can get him going on offense. Throw in a 2nd and now you have a package to get a playoff capable rotation PG.

[KGdaBom]

I watched Dane Moore and I am just confused. He seems to think Finch doesn’t value PGs. How do you go from “Really god damn important,” to we need Kyle’s defense more than a playoff ready backup PG. Finch talks about the value of a PG in crunch time, well is JMAC that guy in a WCF or NBA finals? Is Kyle even playoff worthy. I mean when he is on the floor they defend the paint and dare him to shoot. If Kyle is one of the 7-8 playoff rotation then who are you taking out, TBJ? If Kyle isn’t in the rotation then why not trade him? What if Kyle breaks his hand in game 78? Or worse game 4 of a playoff series?

As for value, Shake has a 5 million non guaranteed second year, that itself has value. Shake has a history of success in Philly that will make teams want a look. Kyle is expiring and plays solid defense. Maybe some other team thinks they can get him going on offense. Throw in a 2nd and now you have a package to get a playoff capable rotation PG.

I personally expect Kyle and Shake's offense to come around. Not worried. Isn't it amazing how we're talking about if our players are good enough for WCF or NBA finals. Those are good problems to have.

[winforlose]

I watched Dane Moore and I am just confused. He seems to think Finch doesn’t value PGs. How do you go from “Really god damn important,” to we need Kyle’s defense more than a playoff ready backup PG. Finch talks about the value of a PG in crunch time, well is JMAC that guy in a WCF or NBA finals? Is Kyle even playoff worthy. I mean when he is on the floor they defend the paint and dare him to shoot. If Kyle is one of the 7-8 playoff rotation then who are you taking out, TBJ? If Kyle isn’t in the rotation then why not trade him? What if Kyle breaks his hand in game 78? Or worse game 4 of a playoff series?

As for value, Shake has a 5 million non guaranteed second year, that itself has value. Shake has a history of success in Philly that will make teams want a look. Kyle is expiring and plays solid defense. Maybe some other team thinks they can get him going on offense. Throw in a 2nd and now you have a package to get a playoff capable rotation PG.

I personally expect Kyle and Shake's offense to come around. Not worried. Isn't it amazing how we're talking about if our players are good enough for WCF or NBA finals. Those are good problems to have.

You didn’t answer my questions. Are they gonna be in a playoff rotation? Also what happens if Mike breaks his hand late in the season or early in the playoffs and is not available for the later rounds? They are our only tradable assets unless you want to add TBJ or NAW to the mix. Far as I am concerned big 6 plus Minott and Miller are very unlikely to be moved.

[KGdaBom]

I watched Dane Moore and I am just confused. He seems to think Finch doesn’t value PGs. How do you go from “Really god damn important,” to we need Kyle’s defense more than a playoff ready backup PG. Finch talks about the value of a PG in crunch time, well is JMAC that guy in a WCF or NBA finals? Is Kyle even playoff worthy. I mean when he is on the floor they defend the paint and dare him to shoot. If Kyle is one of the 7-8 playoff rotation then who are you taking out, TBJ? If Kyle isn’t in the rotation then why not trade him? What if Kyle breaks his hand in game 78? Or worse game 4 of a playoff series?

As for value, Shake has a 5 million non guaranteed second year, that itself has value. Shake has a history of success in Philly that will make teams want a look. Kyle is expiring and plays solid defense. Maybe some other team thinks they can get him going on offense. Throw in a 2nd and now you have a package to get a playoff capable rotation PG.

I personally expect Kyle and Shake's offense to come around. Not worried. Isn't it amazing how we're talking about if our players are good enough for WCF or NBA finals. Those are good problems to have.

You didn’t answer my questions. Are they gonna be in a playoff rotation? Also what happens if Mike breaks his hand late in the season or early in the playoffs and is not available for the later rounds? They are our only tradable assets unless you want to add TBJ or NAW to the mix. Far as I am concerned big 6 plus Minott and Miller are very unlikely to be moved.

You're correct. I didn't answer your question. I didn't know I was required to. As of now J Mc and Shake are the backup PGs as far as I can tell. If we had to rely on them to start it would be less than ideal. Hopefully Conley stays healthy. No broken hand.

[Neeva]

Lakers barely play Vando now, and they gave him 48 million 4 year contract with a player option in final year , yikes.
I would gladly have taken him back if he made about half of that.

[Domejandro]

OK, I want to go back to the thought about Immanuel Quickley for a moment.

Cleveland looks like it might need to blow up the current roster construction, and Donovan Mitchell is at the center of it. Quickley would probably be the core piece of any return package from New York (where many assume he'll eventually land), but is IQ in any better of a situation in Cleveland? What would interest them from a third team for just Quickley?

My presumption is that New York would probably kick in an extra first to keep Immanuel Quickley, but if not, I am comfortable doing 2024/2026/2028 swaps (maybe integrate it into improving the picks that New York offers by making the swaps tied to NYK picks (Minnesota getting the worse of, with Cleveland being routed the better one) and seconds to turn Shake Milton into Immanuel Quickley. Not convinced that Minnesota will be able to afford him after this season, but that is an "all-in" move I would endorse. I think another team would offer more tangible assets (Minnesota is broke), but it's still something that I would explore.

Managing minutes and shot distribution would be a nightmare, but if Coach Finch feels that he can manage it, that would be worth doing to give Minnesota a more consistent shot-creation option off of the bench. Bump down Mike Conley's playing time by 3-4 minutes, give Immanuel Quickley the Troy Brown Jr./Shake Milton minutes, and maybe a few of Kyle Anderson/Nickeil Alexander-Walker/Naz Reid's minutes, when possible.

[Klomp]

I watched Dane Moore and I am just confused. He seems to think Finch doesn’t value PGs. How do you go from “Really god damn important,” to we need Kyle’s defense more than a playoff ready backup PG. Finch talks about the value of a PG in crunch time, well is JMAC that guy in a WCF or NBA finals? Is Kyle even playoff worthy. I mean when he is on the floor they defend the paint and dare him to shoot. If Kyle is one of the 7-8 playoff rotation then who are you taking out, TBJ? If Kyle isn’t in the rotation then why not trade him? What if Kyle breaks his hand in game 78? Or worse game 4 of a playoff series?

As for value, Shake has a 5 million non guaranteed second year, that itself has value. Shake has a history of success in Philly that will make teams want a look. Kyle is expiring and plays solid defense. Maybe some other team thinks they can get him going on offense. Throw in a 2nd and now you have a package to get a playoff capable rotation PG.

Mike's leadership is important. Kyle's leadership is important. A "PG" dominating the ball and doing all of the facilitating...not so important.

[Klomp]

Another idea that just came to me. Not a PG of the future, but can help this year and next...

Dennis Schroder?