Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[Nick K]

Any interesting quotes or info?

I'm not sure I don't have a subscription, just saw the tweet

EDIT: Found this quote from Reddit:

[Jon Krawczynski] Some combination of players including Malik Beasley, Jaden McDaniels, Patrick Beverley or Taurean Prince (for salary matching) with draft picks isn’t as bad as some may think. Aldridge later says Beasley/McDaniels/picks for Simmons wouldn’t be ridiculous.

Sounds about right.

I would hate to lose McD but I would do that trade.

[Calinks]

PErsonally, I think Dlo, Beasley, and McDaniels would be greatly beneficial to Philly right now. Maybe not what they are looking for in a return but all three of those guys would be a big help.

Jaden can play good defense and be an everyman type right now. Probably low stats but he can make an impact. Beasley's shooting would be fantastic for them, knock down three's, willingness to take shots, and he plays with energy. I think a good defensive team like Philly, he could be a positive on defense when he has a lot of competence around him.

Dlo is a lot of what Simmons isn't. Dlo is not a good defender but he can create and get shots at any time. He won't hesitate to take big shots and I just don't know how you would stop Philly if they Dlo+Beasley and their other guys on the floor. Clogging the pain would be a nightmare as the shooting would be way too good from the perimeter. They would be a hard team to stop.

Let me get thhis straight. You want to give up 20 pts a night with Dlo, 15 pts a night with Beasley and 10 pts or more from McD. That's 45 pts and we get back 14. I don't see us as a stronger team. Look at the depth we lose for a guy who can't shoot. Shooting is the most important skill in the game today. How great would Steph and Durant be if they couldn't shoot?

We get back a very good defender and a guy who can drive to the basket. It just doesn't seem fair to me.

At this point nobody is going to change anyones mind. i almost wish it were over so we could talk about something else.

Wouldn't it be great if there was a strong consensus to get the guy? When half the people here argue against that should be telling.

I've always said I'd like the guy without giving up the core of Dlo, McD, Ant or Kat. Philly is in a very bad negotiating position and it's getting worse. They know it and so does Rosas. I trust him to make the right call. I can walk from this deal very easily.

I'm not sure I do the trade but I would lean towards it. I do think we need to make big moves if we ever want to a contending team, I don't know if that will happen just keeping this core together. Simmons is a superstar-caliber player, he has some huge flaws but he brings a lot to the table. Its something I have to give strong consideration to.

[Nick K]

Might be good if it gets put on ice a while … teams get a chance to see what works and what don’t, but Simmons sits without pay and Philly in the meantime will be +\- ??

Interesting

When you're a multi, multi millionaire, you can afford to sit out.

[Calinks]

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[Nick K]

I doubt that Simmons is still on the roster by media day. Right now, PHI fans blame Morey. If this fiasco reaches Media Day, every damn player is going to be asked repeatedly about Simmons. Simmons is going to be the focus of every conversation, just like now, but magnified. The players don’t deserve that, and it would certainly hurt the team.

And can you even imagine Morey’s false threat of starting the season with Simmons on the roster? As Pelton pointed out, the very first time Simmons makes a bad play, the fans are going to boo him like crazy. Maybe even before. How do we think Simmons play will respond? Is he going to have even less confidence or desire to improve for Philly? Philly fans don’t like the offers now, but I think they would seriously take a nose dive later, if his performance continues to decline, and the majority start looking differently at his long, expensive deal.

For lurking PHI fans, I don’t say this as someone who wants Simmons here.

No. You say it in a very condescending way to the Wolves fans who do want Simmons here.

Shrink makes many good points here. What exactly did he say that you perceive as condescending?

I agree wth shrink. He makes very good points and I see nothing condescending whatsoever.

[KGdaBom]

I doubt that Simmons is still on the roster by media day. Right now, PHI fans blame Morey. If this fiasco reaches Media Day, every damn player is going to be asked repeatedly about Simmons. Simmons is going to be the focus of every conversation, just like now, but magnified. The players don’t deserve that, and it would certainly hurt the team.

And can you even imagine Morey’s false threat of starting the season with Simmons on the roster? As Pelton pointed out, the very first time Simmons makes a bad play, the fans are going to boo him like crazy. Maybe even before. How do we think Simmons play will respond? Is he going to have even less confidence or desire to improve for Philly? Philly fans don’t like the offers now, but I think they would seriously take a nose dive later, if his performance continues to decline, and the majority start looking differently at his long, expensive deal.

For lurking PHI fans, I don’t say this as someone who wants Simmons here.

No. You say it in a very condescending way to the Wolves fans who do want Simmons here.

Shrink makes many good points here. What exactly did he say that you perceive as condescending?

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IMO as one of those who would like Simmons here he is making no point at all. He's going with speculation about him making a bad play and getting booed and losing confidence. To me that is a bunch of malarkey. His long expensive deal is a deserved maximum contract.

[KGdaBom]

I doubt that Simmons is still on the roster by media day. Right now, PHI fans blame Morey. If this fiasco reaches Media Day, every damn player is going to be asked repeatedly about Simmons. Simmons is going to be the focus of every conversation, just like now, but magnified. The players don’t deserve that, and it would certainly hurt the team.

And can you even imagine Morey’s false threat of starting the season with Simmons on the roster? As Pelton pointed out, the very first time Simmons makes a bad play, the fans are going to boo him like crazy. Maybe even before. How do we think Simmons play will respond? Is he going to have even less confidence or desire to improve for Philly? Philly fans don’t like the offers now, but I think they would seriously take a nose dive later, if his performance continues to decline, and the majority start looking differently at his long, expensive deal.

For lurking PHI fans, I don’t say this as someone who wants Simmons here.

No. You say it in a very condescending way to the Wolves fans who do want Simmons here.

What? There is nothing in this post that talks about Minnesota at all, or really even Simmons - just Simmons if he stays in PHI. This post was about the limited options Philly has now, which will likely lead to a trade soon.

If you feel “very condescended to” in this post, that’s something inside of you - not anything I wrote here.

You don't get the implications in what you wrote. First of all tou made no point at all in this post. You just do your speculating about what's going on inside his brain and you declare his quite reasonable max contract to be a long, expensive deal. You also obviously don't want Simmons here and don't think much of the people who do.

[Nick K]

PErsonally, I think Dlo, Beasley, and McDaniels would be greatly beneficial to Philly right now. Maybe not what they are looking for in a return but all three of those guys would be a big help.

Jaden can play good defense and be an everyman type right now. Probably low stats but he can make an impact. Beasley's shooting would be fantastic for them, knock down three's, willingness to take shots, and he plays with energy. I think a good defensive team like Philly, he could be a positive on defense when he has a lot of competence around him.

Dlo is a lot of what Simmons isn't. Dlo is not a good defender but he can create and get shots at any time. He won't hesitate to take big shots and I just don't know how you would stop Philly if they Dlo+Beasley and their other guys on the floor. Clogging the pain would be a nightmare as the shooting would be way too good from the perimeter. They would be a hard team to stop.

Let me get thhis straight. You want to give up 20 pts a night with Dlo, 15 pts a night with Beasley and 10 pts or more from McD. That's 45 pts and we get back 14. I don't see us as a stronger team. Look at the depth we lose for a guy who can't shoot. Shooting is the most important skill in the game today. How great would Steph and Durant be if they couldn't shoot?

We get back a very good defender and a guy who can drive to the basket. It just doesn't seem fair to me.

At this point nobody is going to change anyones mind. i almost wish it were over so we could talk about something else.

Wouldn't it be great if there was a strong consensus to get the guy? When half the people here argue against that should be telling.

I've always said I'd like the guy without giving up the core of Dlo, McD, Ant or Kat. Philly is in a very bad negotiating position and it's getting worse. They know it and so does Rosas. I trust him to make the right call. I can walk from this deal very easily.

I'm not sure I do the trade but I would lean towards it. I do think we need to make big moves if we ever want to a contending team, I don't know if that will happen just keeping this core together. Simmons is a superstar-caliber player, he has some huge flaws but he brings a lot to the table. Its something I have to give strong consideration to.

Patience my friend. We have the trade deadline and 30 plus million in expirings coming off the books to get a guy we want. We are sitting pretty.

[KGdaBom]

No. You say it in a very condescending way to the Wolves fans who do want Simmons here.

Shrink makes many good points here. What exactly did he say that you perceive as condescending?

I agree wth shrink. He makes very good points and I see nothing condescending whatsoever.

Since you are anti Simmons of course you agree with Shrink. He didn't make any point in that post whatsoever. When he says I'm not a person who wants Simmons here to me that was condescending to those who do.

[KGdaBom]

PErsonally, I think Dlo, Beasley, and McDaniels would be greatly beneficial to Philly right now. Maybe not what they are looking for in a return but all three of those guys would be a big help.

Jaden can play good defense and be an everyman type right now. Probably low stats but he can make an impact. Beasley's shooting would be fantastic for them, knock down three's, willingness to take shots, and he plays with energy. I think a good defensive team like Philly, he could be a positive on defense when he has a lot of competence around him.

Dlo is a lot of what Simmons isn't. Dlo is not a good defender but he can create and get shots at any time. He won't hesitate to take big shots and I just don't know how you would stop Philly if they Dlo+Beasley and their other guys on the floor. Clogging the pain would be a nightmare as the shooting would be way too good from the perimeter. They would be a hard team to stop.

Let me get thhis straight. You want to give up 20 pts a night with Dlo, 15 pts a night with Beasley and 10 pts or more from McD. That's 45 pts and we get back 14. I don't see us as a stronger team. Look at the depth we lose for a guy who can't shoot. Shooting is the most important skill in the game today. How great would Steph and Durant be if they couldn't shoot?

We get back a very good defender and a guy who can drive to the basket. It just doesn't seem fair to me.

At this point nobody is going to change anyones mind. i almost wish it were over so we could talk about something else.

Wouldn't it be great if there was a strong consensus to get the guy? When half the people here argue against that should be telling.

I've always said I'd like the guy without giving up the core of Dlo, McD, Ant or Kat. Philly is in a very bad negotiating position and it's getting worse. They know it and so does Rosas. I trust him to make the right call. I can walk from this deal very easily.

Nick do you really believe since we are sending out 3 players who scored 45 or more points and since Simmons only scored 14 we are going to lose 31 points a game? It doesn't work like that. KAT, Edwards, and Simmons will all get more shots and more shots will go to others. I also think we could work out something without trading Russell. A more likely scenario is we score the same while opposing scoring goes down by 10. That would be HUGE.

[SO_MONEY]

No. You say it in a very condescending way to the Wolves fans who do want Simmons here.

Shrink makes many good points here. What exactly did he say that you perceive as condescending?

I agree wth shrink. He makes very good points and I see nothing condescending whatsoever.

Agree. Shrink wasn't being condescending, but if he were...what of it? Is it important? Does it invalidate his arguments? No, no it does not.

[shrink]

No. You say it in a very condescending way to the Wolves fans who do want Simmons here.

What? There is nothing in this post that talks about Minnesota at all, or really even Simmons - just Simmons if he stays in PHI. This post was about the limited options Philly has now, which will likely lead to a trade soon.

If you feel “very condescended to” in this post, that’s something inside of you - not anything I wrote here.

You don't get the implications in what you wrote. First of all tou made no point at all in this post. You just do your speculating about what's going on inside his brain and you declare his quite reasonable max contract to be a long, expensive deal. You also obviously don't want Simmons here and don't think much of the people who do.

This part is all in your own brain.

I’ve never said that, and in fact, many of my the posters here I respect the most, like Klomp, don’t agree with me on all issues - including Simmons. But I respect his opinion, even though I don’t agree with it. Heck, today I And1’d a post he made that pointed out how good DLo is in the clutch! I didn’t know that!

We may have different ideas on what’s the best path for MIN, but in the end, we are all fans of the Wolves.

[NYSixersFan]

Would you do....

Simmons for Beasley, Beverly or Prince plus 3 1st round pick...unprotected

[shrink]

Would you do....

Simmons for Beasley, Beverly or Prince plus 3 1st round pick...unprotected

Three unprotected picks? I don’t think Simmons was worth this even last year.

3 unprotected picks plus Beasley is a Harden-level return, when even Morey didn’t think Ben Simmons was enough to get Harden. He offered Simmons, Thybulle and two 1sts. HOU declined, and traded him to BRK.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-the-ben-simmons-james-harden-trade-that-almost-happened/

Simmons value certainly has not risen since Morey tried to trade him.

[NYSixersFan]

Would you do....

Simmons for Beasley, Beverly or Prince plus 3 1st round pick...unprotected

Three unprotected picks? I don’t think Simmons was worth this even last year.

3 unprotected picks plus Beasley is a Harden-level return, when even Morey didn’t think Ben Simmons was enough to get Harden. He offered Simmons, Thybulle and two 1sts. HOU declined, and traded him to BRK.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-the-ben-simmons-james-harden-trade-that-almost-happened/

Simmons value certainly has not risen since Morey tried to trade him.

We can negotiate on the picks...maybe top 5 protected? maybe one unprotected, one lottery protected and a pick swap?

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

PErsonally, I think Dlo, Beasley, and McDaniels would be greatly beneficial to Philly right now. Maybe not what they are looking for in a return but all three of those guys would be a big help.

Jaden can play good defense and be an everyman type right now. Probably low stats but he can make an impact. Beasley's shooting would be fantastic for them, knock down three's, willingness to take shots, and he plays with energy. I think a good defensive team like Philly, he could be a positive on defense when he has a lot of competence around him.

Dlo is a lot of what Simmons isn't. Dlo is not a good defender but he can create and get shots at any time. He won't hesitate to take big shots and I just don't know how you would stop Philly if they Dlo+Beasley and their other guys on the floor. Clogging the pain would be a nightmare as the shooting would be way too good from the perimeter. They would be a hard team to stop.

Let me get thhis straight. You want to give up 20 pts a night with Dlo, 15 pts a night with Beasley and 10 pts or more from McD. That's 45 pts and we get back 14. I don't see us as a stronger team. Look at the depth we lose for a guy who can't shoot. Shooting is the most important skill in the game today. How great would Steph and Durant be if they couldn't shoot?

We get back a very good defender and a guy who can drive to the basket. It just doesn't seem fair to me.

At this point nobody is going to change anyones mind. i almost wish it were over so we could talk about something else.

Wouldn't it be great if there was a strong consensus to get the guy? When half the people here argue against that should be telling.

I've always said I'd like the guy without giving up the core of Dlo, McD, Ant or Kat. Philly is in a very bad negotiating position and it's getting worse. They know it and so does Rosas. I trust him to make the right call. I can walk from this deal very easily.

This is the point I was trying to make earlier and agree wholeheartedly. Good post. Also Simmons can hurt you if the opposing team hacks a Ben during the 4th quarter. Giving up DLo would be stupid as hell.

[Wolves21]

The best offer I would give them is Beasley/McDaniels/Prince and 2 1st round picks.That's it,and yes I would rather keep Beverly then trade him in any deal with the 76ers.

Russell
Edwards
Simmons
Towns

Those 4 together should be more then enough to be a playoff team out WEST and if healthy should be a top 4 seed in the WEST as well.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Would you do....

Simmons for Beasley, Beverly or Prince plus 3 1st round pick...unprotected

Id keep Beverly. Beas prince and picks? Ah yea.

[SO_MONEY]

Would you do....

Simmons for Beasley, Beverly or Prince plus 3 1st round pick...unprotected

Three unprotected picks? I don’t think Simmons was worth this even last year.

3 unprotected picks plus Beasley is a Harden-level return, when even Morey didn’t think Ben Simmons was enough to get Harden. He offered Simmons, Thybulle and two 1sts. HOU declined, and traded him to BRK.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-the-ben-simmons-james-harden-trade-that-almost-happened/

Simmons value certainly has not risen since Morey tried to trade him.

We can negotiate on the picks...maybe top 5 protected? maybe one unprotected, one lottery protected and a pick swap?

Too rich for my blood.

[shrink]

We can negotiate on the picks...maybe top 5 protected? maybe one unprotected, one lottery protected and a pick swap?

You will find a wide variety of opinions here on what different fans would give up to bring in Simmons. But the truth is, we’re all just fans. I think we can talk about what a final deal would look like realistically though, by the chatter we are hearing on best offers.

I will just say that completely unprotected picks are extremely valuable, particularly if they come from a franchise like Minnesota. Finding a truly elite player outside of the top five is very difficult. They exist, but figuring out who it will be, and hoping you have a pick there, is always going to be a long shot. Moreover, I would imagine the right now, Rosas is very adverse to trading multiple 1st round picks because of the drama we just went through with the DLo trade, and the handcuffs that Stepian Rule put on him. Moreover, we don’t know with new ownership on the way, how much decision-making he gets for future picks, when ARod might want a new GM calling the shots.

I think three unprotected picks is much higher than the offers I am hearing from other teams, and with reports of hardly anyone at the table any more for Simmons, this seems like a bigger offer than I think we will likely see. I think the likely offers would be

Russell and a top 5 protected 1st

Beasley, Prince and two 1sts, both top 5 protected.

I suspect both McDaniels and Russell are players Rosas prefers to keep, and are most likely, “more valuable to us than you.” I think those two trades are reasonable, but not ones I personally would like to see happen.