Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III

[jbk1234]

Well Minny fans, Embiid may have broken his foot. It looks like you guys might end up with the No. 1 pick for Love after all. Assuming Flip doesn't go the established players route.

[robbie84]

So the Wolves 2015 pick is owned by the Suns, but the pick is top 12 protected.

So out of all these supposed trade packages for Love....
Out of GSW, Denver,Celtics, Bulls etc..

The only package that gives back that pick(or basically guarantees it) is the Celtics deal.
If Minny were to take a deal like golden state or Chicago, you'd assume that the goal is to make the playoffs- and if they don't make the playoffs (which I don't think they would anyway with basically all role players replacing Love)...it would be considered a fail right?

Considering how weak the Eastern conference is, it's safe to say that the Wolves could easily finish outside the bottom 12 teams without making the playoffs.

So this essentially means that Flip will be looking at the Celtics deal as having the Wolves pick returned from the Suns. This is a huge factor isn't it?
If Flip is considering a draft rebuild, that pick's value after a 'player development' season in 2014-15 is priceless.
It's easily in contention for a top 3 pick after a rebuilding season.
If Flip moves Pekovic for a pick and goes young with:

Rubio
Stauskas(13th pick)
Aaron Gordon (6th pick)
Olynyk
Dieng

With the 17th pick, budinger,barea, shved and the other veterans, the Wolves would be in serious contention for a top 3 pick while this young unit develops....

Just food for thought...

[minimus]

What a terrible trade is the Denver one. Flip is going to trade Love for a truly terrible package. Oh god. Terrible. Terrible.

Agree. I think Afflalo will opt out.

Afflalo's player option is for the 15/16 season, not 14/15.

Correct, that's what I meant. Afflalo is one year rental.

[phonzadellika]

So the Wolves 2015 pick is owned by the Suns, but the pick is top 12 protected.

So out of all these supposed trade packages for Love....
Out of GSW, Denver,Celtics, Bulls etc..

The only package that gives back that pick(or basically guarantees it) is the Celtics deal.
If Minny were to take a deal like golden state or Chicago, you'd assume that the goal is to make the playoffs- and if they don't make the playoffs (which I don't think they would anyway with basically all role players replacing Love)...it would be considered a fail right?

Considering how weak the Eastern conference is, it's safe to say that the Wolves could easily finish outside the bottom 12 teams without making the playoffs.

So this essentially means that Flip will be looking at the Celtics deal as having the Wolves pick returned from the Suns. This is a huge factor isn't it?
If Flip is considering a draft rebuild, that pick's value after a 'player development' season in 2014-15 is priceless.
It's easily in contention for a top 3 pick after a rebuilding season.
If Flip moves Pekovic for a pick and goes young with:

Rubio
Stauskas(13th pick)
Aaron Gordon (6th pick)
Olynyk
Dieng

With the 17th pick, budinger,barea, shved and the other veterans, the Wolves would be in serious contention for a top 3 pick while this young unit develops....

Just food for thought...

I think I'd rather have the pick convey at this point if it means the Wolves make the playoffs and Ricky Rubio develops a somewhat consistent jump shot.

[robbie84]

So the Wolves 2015 pick is owned by the Suns, but the pick is top 12 protected.

So out of all these supposed trade packages for Love....
Out of GSW, Denver,Celtics, Bulls etc..

The only package that gives back that pick(or basically guarantees it) is the Celtics deal.
If Minny were to take a deal like golden state or Chicago, you'd assume that the goal is to make the playoffs- and if they don't make the playoffs (which I don't think they would anyway with basically all role players replacing Love)...it would be considered a fail right?

Considering how weak the Eastern conference is, it's safe to say that the Wolves could easily finish outside the bottom 12 teams without making the playoffs.

So this essentially means that Flip will be looking at the Celtics deal as having the Wolves pick returned from the Suns. This is a huge factor isn't it?
If Flip is considering a draft rebuild, that pick's value after a 'player development' season in 2014-15 is priceless.
It's easily in contention for a top 3 pick after a rebuilding season.
If Flip moves Pekovic for a pick and goes young with:

Rubio
Stauskas(13th pick)
Aaron Gordon (6th pick)
Olynyk
Dieng

With the 17th pick, budinger,barea, shved and the other veterans, the Wolves would be in serious contention for a top 3 pick while this young unit develops....

Just food for thought...

I think I'd rather have the pick convey at this point if it means the Wolves make the playoffs and Ricky Rubio develops a somewhat consistent jump shot.

Well they also quite possibly don't make the playoffs in a brutal West, and are stuck with role players and another mid first rounder lol. Or they fight for the 8th seed for the next 2 years. Poor fans.

[Merc_Porto]

To me the best possible deal is :
Butler + Gibson + 16# + 19# + Mirotic rights.

If Mirotic doesnt want to play here, wich i doubt, but il be fine with that.

We try to trade him to the Lakers
Mirotic + 13# for the 7# Pick

If he wants to to play here (Mirotic)
Gibson + 13th To Sacramento for the 8# Pick

Give us a lot of options.

And better yet is if we could flip the 16# + 19# for 11# (Denver) (Was a rumor)
That is so much better. That Give us picks and good players.

If Cleveland is out.

If that trade is on the table.
Is a Easy choice for me, reaaly easy !!!

[HitmanCapone]

Embiid just injured his foot he could slide to the 6 spot. Would Embiid make the package more enticing even with his injury issues?

Makes me wonder if Cleveland would be more willing to part with #1 now

[jbk1234]

Embiid just injured his foot he could slide to the 6 spot. Would Embiid make the package more enticing even with his injury issues?

Makes me wonder if Cleveland would be more willing to part with #1 now

Assuming this isn't just an ankle sprain, I would say yes as a Cavs fan. I would need No. 13 or Dieng back, but we have TT and future pick we could offer in addition to No. 1 to make it work.

[robbie84]

To me the best possible deal is :
Butler + Gibson + 16# + 19# + Mirotic rights.

If Mirotic doesnt want to play here, wich i doubt, but il be fine with that.

We try to trade him to the Lakers
Mirotic + 13# for the 7# Pick

If he wants to to play here (Mirotic)
Gibson + 13th To Sacramento for the 8# Pick

Give us a lot of options.

And better yet is if we could flip the 16# + 19# for 11# (Denver) (Was a rumor)
That is so much better. That Give us picks and good players.

If Cleveland is out.

If that trade is on the table.
Is a Easy choice for me, reaaly easy !!!

Chicago deal is role players and mid first rounders. Doubt Minny makes playoffs with Gibson+ Butler in the West instead of Love.
The idea that Mirotic +13 could get pick 7 or 8 is a stretch. The kings or lakers would have to LOVE him.
Remember that Bulls fans see Mirotic as a 6th man coming in for Gibson next year.

[MinneOOPalis]

Faried sucks.

Matter of fact, that whole denver package sucks. Not trading a future hall of famer for a reload package that doesn't even make us a playoff team.


Its either GSW (If they offer Klay) or Boston at this point imo.

Agreed. As a desperate Boston fan, i'll be so pissed if this is the deal. Look when Atlanta was a treadmill team, they were a 2nd round team at least. Every year they'd get bounced, but loosing in the 2nd round isn't always a failure.

You guys aren't in the playoffs. You're about to be a treadmilling 10th seed. That's the worst thing possible. & face it, a lot of ppl on Minny's board likes the offense ran through Rubio, so even if you guys are even after this deal, still got Sas, okc, lac, hou, gsw, por, dal, phx will all be better. NOP will be trying hard as Minny. Only bad teams I see are Utah, Lal. Sac will be prob better too.

Why not tank a year & go young? You collect ASSETS. So then you can strike for a stud (like Bos's trying with Love). Get Okafor next year w/ Dieng, Sully, Rubio, 6th, 13, etc. & It's attracting.

Nope. Minny wanna mess around & fight to be an 9th seed every year. SMH!

Yes. The only legit reloading deal is GSW. If we do that I think we fight for a playoff spot and have a good foundation for the future. Bulls gives us the ultimate treadmill package unless we can flip Gibson and a pick for one of the 3 PF's in the draft.


Cleveland's pick along with taking on Bennett and/or Dion would be my best case scenario..But that is the least likely. Even after Embiids foot injury.



Boston is the most likely deal simply because its the best one on the table. I think Flip knows Boston has the best offer but would much rather prefer GSW or Cleveland.



One thing I can say about Flip, is that he won't make a deal just to make it. He will hold on to Love as long as it takes to get the best possible return. No matter how awkward it could get. And thats what worries me as a fan.

[Krapinsky]

I think the Denver deal is somewhat enticing if you can get Gallinari in place of Chandler and Gallinari is approved my medical. I'm not a huge fan of any of the players in that deal, but all of them combined fit together pretty nicely. With the depth on the wings, maybe you could package Bazz and #13 for one of the PF's. Our starting 5 would be better than average and we'd probably have one of the best bench's in the league.

Rubio/Barea/Shved
Afflalo/Martin
Gallinari/Brewer/
Faried/Gordon or Randle or Vonleh
Pekovic/Dieng

[killacalijatt]

You are missing the point, K.Thomspon is the center piece of that deal, i dont even mind if we throw Affalo to the bench and start with Bazz.

You know...I know I am a broken record about the GSW trade, but do you guys really think Klay Thompson is anymore than a younger version of Kevin Martin? His defense is terrible, and they are virtually replicas of each other on the offensive end. Klay is just younger and healthier.

I'd actually say Kevin Martin is better because he can actually draw fouls. That's why I've been harping on the GSW trade as terrible. Do you really want a Kevin Martin replacement to be the center of a Kevin Love deal? I don't get it. His per minute production has been the same for all three years in the league also.

Chicago deal I understand. I even like Denver's potential three way over GSW (though I think Denver's deal is much worse than Chicago's and Boston's). GSW as a top candidate will forever confuse me. Especially if it actually happens.

Klay is an excellent defender my friend. Curry got the night off on most nights because Klay is the one guarding the CP3s/Parkers/Westbrooks every night.

[DarkAzcura]

Klay is an excellent defender my friend. Curry got the night off on most nights because Klay is the one guarding the CP3s/Parkers/Westbrooks every night.

Hey if that's the case, and Klay ends up being an absolute huge piece off of GSW, I'll own up to it.

[Wolves21]

I feel that the Warriors still have the best offer if Thompson is apart of it.Of all the rumored players in picks he's the biggest star and player with the most upside,he's already a boardline all-star.You team him up with Rubio in the back court and you got something special.

Now with the rumors of the Nuggets I am a big fan of the trade idea of Faried,Chandler and Afflalo.You add those three to the team and your in the playoff hunt.I like this deal sense its a win now move and we still have young players in Rubio,Deing,Muhammad and then now Faried that we can build around a grow with.I hate the idea of going full on rebuilding mode again.Its been a decade sense we've made the playoffs at somepoint you have to start making the playoffs and show that your a winning club even if your a first round exit to start.

So I would rank the rumored deals as

1.Warriors
2.Nuggest
3.Bulls
4.Celtics

[theGreatRC]

I think I changed my mind on having Denver as the best deal. I forgot how great Klay was, especially in the playoffs this year. Him and Draymond were the two highlights of their postseason and Klay was assigned Chris Paul defensive duties and he held his own. Having Rubio who is also a great defender means we would have a young defensive backcourt with Klay's shooting ability and Rubio's playmaking.

[Krapinsky]

I think I changed my mind on having Denver as the best deal. I forgot how great Klay was, especially in the playoffs this year. Him and Draymond were the two highlights of their postseason and Klay was assigned Chris Paul defensive duties and he held his own. Having Rubio who is also a great defender means we would have a young defensive backcourt with Klay's shooting ability and Rubio's playmaking.

The GSW deal is good, I think, if you can shed a contract - be it Martin or Budinger - and come up with a way to get a PF of the future.

Does Barnes + #13 get you Randle or Gordon who can back up Lee for 2 years? That way we're winning now, but also grooming for the future. When Lee's contract is up maybe he could be resigned at the price of a back up.

Rubio/
Thompson/Martin
Muhammad/Brewer
Lee/Gordon or Vonleh
Pekovic/Dieng

[MinneOOPalis]

I think I changed my mind on having Denver as the best deal. I forgot how great Klay was, especially in the playoffs this year. Him and Draymond were the two highlights of their postseason and Klay was assigned Chris Paul defensive duties and he held his own. Having Rubio who is also a great defender means we would have a young defensive backcourt with Klay's shooting ability and Rubio's playmaking.

The GSW deal is good, I think, if you can shed a contract - be it Martin or Budinger - and come up with a way to get a PF of the future.

Does Barnes + #13 get you Randle or Gordon who can back up Lee for 2 years? That way we're winning now, but also grooming for the future. When Lee's contract is up maybe he could be resigned at the price of a back up.

Rubio/
Thompson/Martin
Muhammad/Brewer
Lee/Gordon or Vonleh
Pekovic/Dieng

I think trading Lee would be a better option.


And yes the Warriors would need a starting wing player. So we would give them Martin or Brewer in the deal. Another reason why its so appealing.

[Krapinsky]

I think I changed my mind on having Denver as the best deal. I forgot how great Klay was, especially in the playoffs this year. Him and Draymond were the two highlights of their postseason and Klay was assigned Chris Paul defensive duties and he held his own. Having Rubio who is also a great defender means we would have a young defensive backcourt with Klay's shooting ability and Rubio's playmaking.

The GSW deal is good, I think, if you can shed a contract - be it Martin or Budinger - and come up with a way to get a PF of the future.

Does Barnes + #13 get you Randle or Gordon who can back up Lee for 2 years? That way we're winning now, but also grooming for the future. When Lee's contract is up maybe he could be resigned at the price of a back up.

Rubio/
Thompson/Martin
Muhammad/Brewer
Lee/Gordon or Vonleh
Pekovic/Dieng

I think trading Lee would be a better option.


And yes the Warriors would need a starting wing player. So we would give them Martin or Brewer in the deal. Another reason why its so appealing.

I view Lee like Pek. I don't think you're going to get anything of value for him and trading him is just going to create a greater need.

[theGreatRC]

My friend just texted me that Mychal Thompson ( Klay's dad who works for the lakers) said Klay, Lee and future first for Love is happening or close to it.

No Barnes in the deal. Wonder if they go Iggy at the 2 and Barnes at the 3?

My friend usually never texts me this stuff, but he's a diehard laker fan and keeps up with their stuff all the time and he said Klay's dad said that today.

Take it for what it's worth.

[Calinks]

I think a lot of wolves fans don't get too excited about draft picks because quite frankly, we have been getting top ten draft picks for nearly a decade and they have done very little for us.