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Flip Saunders passes away (pg 5)

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Re: Flip Saunders diagnosed with hodgkin's lymphoma, undergoing chemo 

Post#61 » by Sothron » Fri Oct 2, 2015 5:57 pm

horaceworthy wrote:Been going through my own cancer scare this year, no fun (not as serious as Flip's, had successful surgery a month ago, margins are negative around the tumor site, start radiation to axe any microscopic stragglers in a couple weeks). My heart goes out to Flip, even though the nurses/aides in hospitals tend to be pretty great, it's pretty frustrating being cooped up in a room/hallway. He's been a visible part of the MN hoops scene since I was old enough to start following it, really hope he pulls through and knows he's got a lot of people in his corner. Hoping that sooner rather than later his biggest hassle will be remembering everybody to write thank you notes to.


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Re: Flip Saunders diagnosed with hodgkin's lymphoma, undergoing chemo 

Post#62 » by Calinks » Fri Oct 2, 2015 9:00 pm

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horaceworthy wrote:Been going through my own cancer scare this year, no fun (not as serious as Flip's, had successful surgery a month ago, margins are negative around the tumor site, start radiation to axe any microscopic stragglers in a couple weeks). My heart goes out to Flip, even though the nurses/aides in hospitals tend to be pretty great, it's pretty frustrating being cooped up in a room/hallway. He's been a visible part of the MN hoops scene since I was old enough to start following it, really hope he pulls through and knows he's got a lot of people in his corner. Hoping that sooner rather than later his biggest hassle will be remembering everybody to write thank you notes to.

Damn. Good luck with your battle, man.

Thank you sir. Most of its over, now it's just healing and showing up to get zapped for a couple months. It's weird, the lottery was actually when I decided I'd be okay. It was early enough in the process I wasn't sure how serious things were, but when the Wolves got the #1 pick I figured that God isn't cruel enough to take me just when there's legitimate reason for optimism with the team after sticking through all the doldrums of this franchise. Sports are such a strange thing.


Man, its crazy how many users here in out small forum have been affected by cancer. Best of luck yo everyone, keep kicking cancers ass.
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Re: Flip Saunders diagnosed with hodgkin's lymphoma, undergoing chemo 

Post#63 » by Grits n Gravy » Sat Oct 3, 2015 12:38 am

horaceworthy wrote:Been going through my own cancer scare this year, no fun (not as serious as Flip's, had successful surgery a month ago, margins are negative around the tumor site, start radiation to axe any microscopic stragglers in a couple weeks). My heart goes out to Flip, even though the nurses/aides in hospitals tend to be pretty great, it's pretty frustrating being cooped up in a room/hallway. He's been a visible part of the MN hoops scene since I was old enough to start following it, really hope he pulls through and knows he's got a lot of people in his corner. Hoping that sooner rather than later his biggest hassle will be remembering everybody to write thank you notes to.

Best of luck to you chief. Really hope Flip is gonna be OK.
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Post#64 » by PharmD » Sat Oct 3, 2015 3:48 am

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C.lupus wrote:Damn. Good luck with your battle, man.

Thank you sir. Most of its over, now it's just healing and showing up to get zapped for a couple months. It's weird, the lottery was actually when I decided I'd be okay. It was early enough in the process I wasn't sure how serious things were, but when the Wolves got the #1 pick I figured that God isn't cruel enough to take me just when there's legitimate reason for optimism with the team after sticking through all the doldrums of this franchise. Sports are such a strange thing.


Man, its crazy how many users here in out small forum have been affected by cancer. Best of luck yo everyone, keep kicking cancers ass.


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Re: Flip Saunders diagnosed with hodgkin's lymphoma, undergoing chemo 

Post#65 » by C.lupus » Sat Oct 3, 2015 2:25 pm

FWIW, my wife chastised Zgoda on Twitter last night for speculating and for disrespecting the family's request for privacy. Zgoda insists it isn't speculation. Either he's unclear on what speculation is or somebody leaked/floated information to him (or he's just lying).

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Re: Flip Saunders diagnosed with hodgkin's lymphoma, undergoing chemo 

Post#66 » by eyeteeth » Sat Oct 3, 2015 2:52 pm

horaceworthy wrote:
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horaceworthy wrote:Been going through my own cancer scare this year, no fun (not as serious as Flip's, had successful surgery a month ago, margins are negative around the tumor site, start radiation to axe any microscopic stragglers in a couple weeks). My heart goes out to Flip, even though the nurses/aides in hospitals tend to be pretty great, it's pretty frustrating being cooped up in a room/hallway. He's been a visible part of the MN hoops scene since I was old enough to start following it, really hope he pulls through and knows he's got a lot of people in his corner. Hoping that sooner rather than later his biggest hassle will be remembering everybody to write thank you notes to.

Damn. Good luck with your battle, man.

Thank you sir. Most of its over, now it's just healing and showing up to get zapped for a couple months. It's weird, the lottery was actually when I decided I'd be okay. It was early enough in the process I wasn't sure how serious things were, but when the Wolves got the #1 pick I figured that God isn't cruel enough to take me just when there's legitimate reason for optimism with the team after sticking through all the doldrums of this franchise. Sports are such a strange thing.


Still, that's scary stuff. A good reminder to cherish every day. Glad you're on the upswing. Best wishes to you and yours.
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Post#67 » by Feilong » Sat Oct 3, 2015 2:58 pm

My sense is that things are serious and bits of info have also reporters like Doogie and Jon.
The difference is Doogie and Jon are showing respect to family's request. Zgoda on the other hand just wants his name written on all sites.
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Post#68 » by Domejandro » Sat Oct 3, 2015 7:37 pm

Feilong wrote:My sense is that things are serious and bits of info have also reporters like Doogie and Jon.
The difference is Doogie and Jon are showing respect to family's request. Zgoda on the other hand just wants his name written on all sites.

I feel this is an unfair take, I am not seeing what is wrong with Jerry Zgoda expressing that Flip Saunders will not be returning to coaching this season.
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Post#69 » by C.lupus » Sat Oct 3, 2015 7:45 pm

Domejandro wrote:
Feilong wrote:My sense is that things are serious and bits of info have also reporters like Doogie and Jon.
The difference is Doogie and Jon are showing respect to family's request. Zgoda on the other hand just wants his name written on all sites.

I feel this is an unfair take, I am not seeing what is wrong with Jerry Zgoda expressing that Flip Saunders will not be returning to coaching this season.

The fact that it is mostly speculation due to the "radio silence" and the fact that the family and franchise have expressly requested this private matter be left private and he ignored that. That is what is wrong.
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Post#70 » by Worm Guts » Sat Oct 3, 2015 8:02 pm

Family's request or not, it's a story. I might have a problem if he was being overly invasive, but I don't have a problem with him reporting on information that comes to him.
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Post#71 » by C.lupus » Sat Oct 3, 2015 8:20 pm

What information has actually come to him, though. He specifically says it's his opinion and it's based in part on the lack of information being shared.

There’s no question things have changed dramatically since the team announced his diagnosis in August, back when it quoted his doctors saying the cancer was very treatable and curable. Since then there have been changes to the way his body handled the chemotherapy (and maybe how much cancer they’ve found) that have made it life threatening. Everyone involved has gone radio silent because of the family’s request for privacy and federal patient-privacy laws, etc., but between the complete silence, the lack of people visiting as far as I can tell apart from his immediate family and very inner circle while he remains hospitalized here in Minneapolis and the things I’m hearing second-hand, well, none of it is good. I’ll just say this, and this is just my own opinion, if he pulls through this: I doubt very much he’s back this year, it’s probably unlikely he coaches again just because of the stress inherent doing both those jobs and I think there’s a pretty good chance he doesn’t return full time to either job. As far as the franchise goes, that will put them in a holding pattern for some time. I can’t see Glen Taylor allowing Milt Newton and Sam to make a major decision until they know more about Flip’s future and Glen decides who will run his team for the long term. I wouldn’t assume it’ll be Milt and Sam going forward, that’s just for the short term until things become clearer.
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Post#72 » by Worm Guts » Sat Oct 3, 2015 8:33 pm

He's giving an opinion based on the information he has and he's laid out that information. If you don't think his opinion is a reasonable interpretation of the information he's laid out, that's fine, but I think it could be.
He's just saying what a lot of us were thinking though.
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Post#73 » by C.lupus » Sat Oct 3, 2015 10:01 pm

IMO, he crossed the line with the whole second half of his post, speculating on whether or not Flip will ever return in full capacity. That is very, very premature and irresponsible. If he had just said "from what I've seen and heard second hand, it sounds serious and we probably shouldn't expect him back coaching anytime soon" I wouldn't have a problem with it. That conveys the same relevant information.
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Post#74 » by eyeteeth » Sat Oct 3, 2015 11:28 pm

There's no doubt it's shoddy journalism, but Zgoda is a shoddy journalist. The key thing here is that he reported the way people are acting and talking, despite their repeated requests that this not be something that plays out in the media, and did so in an interpretive way that was sure to drive page views. It's a bunch of egotistical BS.
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Post#75 » by Mattya » Sun Oct 4, 2015 1:44 am

its the speculating that he wouldn't be able to return to either job that bugs me. What has it been like a month and a half since he had to step down? I think we should give him at least until ASB or until we get an official update from the Saunders family about his treatment before we speculate on his ability to return to his job ever. We knew from the day they announced this that he would be out at the very least going into the regular season. That is still a month away. Just very premature.
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Post#76 » by PharmD » Sun Oct 4, 2015 3:36 am

Zgoda didn't do anything wrong. He didn't give us any protected details, just let us know that the situation is extremely serious. The world-wide response has been people finally beginning to acknowledge that it's an extremely serious situation.

Speculating on if/when Flip will be back is fine too imo. If Pek had done the radio silent/respect my family's privacy thing with his achilles last spring, would it be wrong for a reporter in the know to tell us that it's a serious injury and he doubts Pek will be back before Xmas? Of course not. Giving us info about what's happening and likely to happen with the team he covers is the man's job.
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Post#77 » by Mattya » Sun Oct 4, 2015 4:21 am

PharmD wrote:Zgoda didn't do anything wrong. He didn't give us any protected details, just let us know that the situation is extremely serious. The world-wide response has been people finally beginning to acknowledge that it's an extremely serious situation.

Speculating on if/when Flip will be back is fine too imo. If Pek had done the radio silent/respect my family's privacy thing with his achilles last spring, would it be wrong for a reporter in the know to tell us that it's a serious injury and he doubts Pek will be back before Xmas? Of course not. Giving us info about what's happening and likely to happen with the team he covers is the man's job.


There is a pretty significant difference between and Achilles injury and recovering from Cancer/chemotherapy treatments.

You can inform people if a person's condition is serious without speculating on his ability to even return to the team. The Wolves already did that. Jerry speculating like this is either giving out sensitive details, that if they were meant for the public would have been a statement from Saunders family, or just way too premature.
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Post#78 » by PharmD » Sun Oct 4, 2015 5:09 am

The "How Flip's condition affects the team" part is the only reason it's relevant as news at all tho.
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Post#79 » by LesGrossman » Tue Oct 6, 2015 12:43 pm

Its tasteless. Maybe next tweet Zgoda will start to discuss who may take over after Flip died. Sure, its "of interest to fans of the Wolves", but lets not forget this is Basketball, nothing really important. Our demand to be fed with news has certainly less relevance than Flips right to be treated in a civilized manner after all he gave for this franchise.
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Post#80 » by Basti » Wed Oct 7, 2015 10:07 am

LesGrossman wrote:Its tasteless. Maybe next tweet Zgoda will start to discuss who may take over after Flip died. Sure, its "of interest to fans of the Wolves", but lets not forget this is Basketball, nothing really important. Our demand to be fed with news has certainly less relevance than Flips right to be treated in a civilized manner after all he gave for this franchise.


This. So much this.

There's a reason why Flip and his family ordered radio silence.

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