2016 draft thread: Part 2

[gopher wolf]

He can't shoot and his defense is horrible, his main strength at this point is his ability to play as a point forward, something we don't need currently with Rubio on this team. That's why I see him as a poor fit. I'd prefer the skills/upsides that Ingram offers if I had the #1 pick.

I think calling him horrible defensively is a little bit of hyperbole. There are definite questions but he's a good rebounder and gets a ton of steals. He does have a lack of length and doesn't always give great effort, but he has great instincts.

It probably is, and don't get me wrong, if we picked him at #1 I wouldn't have nightmares about it, I just think Ingram's a better fit with the current core we have.

Once Ingram gains 20 pounds, he'll be be a perfect fit for this team. However, by the time he does, Simmons may have developed a jump shot anyways and be able to space the court.

[Worm Guts]

I'd probably go with Ingram just because I think his question marks are less significant.

[urinesane]

I think calling him horrible defensively is a little bit of hyperbole. There are definite questions but he's a good rebounder and gets a ton of steals. He does have a lack of length and doesn't always give great effort, but he has great instincts.

It probably is, and don't get me wrong, if we picked him at #1 I wouldn't have nightmares about it, I just think Ingram's a better fit with the current core we have.

Once Ingram gains 20 pounds, he'll be be a perfect fit for this team. However, by the time he does, Simmons may have developed a jump shot anyways and be able to space the court.

That's what people tried to say with Okafor last year to make an argument for him over Towns...

[Note30]

I don't understand the confusion here. Neither of the top2 are good fits. Trade them both if we end up there. Or draft Bender.

[theGreatRC]

Actually, nvm

[ace625214]

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If Dragan pans out, him and Towns could be a monstrous duo imo.

If we don't get a top 3 pick and stay at 5, I'll be really hoping the Lakers can fall out of the top 3 and Philly ends up with picks 3 and 4 with the Celtics Suns at one and two in the lottery. That way those two teams can get their PF's with Simmons and Ingram and Philly would hopefully draft two of Murray, Hield, Dunn and Brown. That seems like the best case scenario if the Wolves don't move up and stay at 5. Would give us the best shot for Bender at #5 as i'd like to think Philly wouldn't take him at 3 and 4 with Noel, Okafor and Embiid.

Ingram a PF? He would break in half the first week of the season. I agree with the rest, though. Two Philly picks increases our odds of Bender falling, especially now that Hinkie is gone. They also have Saric coming over, so that's four PF/C prospects on their roster already.

[Klomp]

Ingram a PF? He would break in half the first week of the season.

Is that really any different from playing Wiggins at PF for stretches like we did last year? They're roughly the same weight.

[ace625214]

Ingram a PF? He would break in half the first week of the season.

Is that really any different from playing Wiggins at PF for stretches like we did last year? They're roughly the same weight.

I think Wiggins is shorter and heavier, so he's a bit thicker than Ingram. Would you want Andrew starting at PF and guarding guys like Lamar Aldridge, Chris Bosh, and Zach Randolph? He would get eaten alive. You can run small ball for a few minutes with the guy there, but not the whole game. If you're drafting Ingram at 1 or 2 you want him to start and play a lot, not for a few minutes in a novelty lineup.

[Klomp]

I think Wiggins is shorter and heavier, so he's a bit thicker than Ingram. Would you want Andrew starting at PF and guarding guys like Lamar Aldridge, Chris Bosh, and Zach Randolph? He would get eaten alive. You can run small ball for a few minutes with the guy there, but not the whole game. If you're drafting Ingram at 1 or 2 you want him to start and play a lot, not for a few minutes in a novelty lineup.

I don't think Ingram would be a full-time PF right away, but I wouldn't rule it out down the road. I see a lanky frame that's very similar to Antetokounmpo and should fill out over time.

[Piecake]

Ingram a PF? He would break in half the first week of the season.

Is that really any different from playing Wiggins at PF for stretches like we did last year? They're roughly the same weight.

I think Wiggins is shorter and heavier, so he's a bit thicker than Ingram. Would you want Andrew starting at PF and guarding guys like Lamar Aldridge, Chris Bosh, and Zach Randolph? He would get eaten alive. You can run small ball for a few minutes with the guy there, but not the whole game. If you're drafting Ingram at 1 or 2 you want him to start and play a lot, not for a few minutes in a novelty lineup.

You want the best player who will help your team win games. That does not necessarily means that he will start. Thibs doesn't strike me as the guy to put optics in front of winning games, and now that he is his own boss he doesnt have to worry about that nearly as much.

If we get the first or second pick, Ingram could be the 3rd wing in our rotation and play small ball four when match-ups dictate that he wouldn't get broken like a lawn chair playing defense.

[ace625214]

Is that really any different from playing Wiggins at PF for stretches like we did last year? They're roughly the same weight.

I think Wiggins is shorter and heavier, so he's a bit thicker than Ingram. Would you want Andrew starting at PF and guarding guys like Lamar Aldridge, Chris Bosh, and Zach Randolph? He would get eaten alive. You can run small ball for a few minutes with the guy there, but not the whole game. If you're drafting Ingram at 1 or 2 you want him to start and play a lot, not for a few minutes in a novelty lineup.

You want the best player who will help your team win games. That does not necessarily means that he will start. Thibs doesn't strike me as the guy to put optics in front of winning games, and now that he is his own boss he doesnt have to worry about that nearly as much.

If we get the first or second pick, Ingram could be the 3rd wing in our rotation and play small ball four when match-ups dictate that he wouldn't get broken like a lawn chair playing defense.

I was replying to gopher wolf saying Bender could still be around at 5 since Phoenix and Boston want PFs, so they would take Simmons and Ingram. I would love to have Ingram on this team. I'd still take Bender before him, but I'd love Ingram as the 3rd wing.

[Worm Guts]

I don't understand the confusion here. Neither of the top2 are good fits. Trade them both if we end up there. Or draft Bender.

Trade him for what? Whatever we trade the pick for has to outweigh the benefits of a rookie contract and having someone around the same age as our core.
Bender is still an unknown, I'm not against drafting Bender even as high as #1, but I don't know enough about him to say that's the right move.

[Worm Guts]

It probably is, and don't get me wrong, if we picked him at #1 I wouldn't have nightmares about it, I just think Ingram's a better fit with the current core we have.

Once Ingram gains 20 pounds, he'll be be a perfect fit for this team. However, by the time he does, Simmons may have developed a jump shot anyways and be able to space the court.

That's what people tried to say with Okafor last year to make an argument for him over Towns...

Anyone who thought Towns needed to gain 20 pounds to be effective probably thinks Ingram needs to gain 50. Ingram's ability to play right away is a bigger concern that it was for Towns, and a pick's ability to contribute right away is probably a bigger concern for the Wolves this year than it was last year.
With the Wolves being forced to Towns and Wiggins in a few years, it would be nice if this pick could contribute right away and we could make some noise before we have to make any tough decisions.

[sky4it]

Butler and Wiggins seem to have a lot of overlap so I'd probably pass on Jimmy.

I agree with that completely. In addition, Butler did not shoot the three last year well.

I just hope that if the Wolves pick at 5, and Hield is there that they draft him. And because of what you said, the fit for Hield is better then the fit for Butler. Hield will need somebody trailing him out on the three circle all the time. Buddy really does get that shot off quick and smooth if they dont.

[minimus]

I'm trying to recall all types of players that Thibs developed or turned into servicable players. It also makes me less worried about draft, we can use any of top5 pick: pure shooters like Hield, Ingram or Murray (see Bellineli example, Dunleavy) slashers like Brown, Dunn (see Butler, Rose), an Euro prospect like Bender (see Mirotic, Pau), one dimensional big like Noah, bruiser like Boozer.

[gopher wolf]

Ingram a PF? He would break in half the first week of the season.

Is that really any different from playing Wiggins at PF for stretches like we did last year? They're roughly the same weight.

This. He's an inch taller and has two inches on Wiggins wingspan. He won't be a starting PF right away but once he gains 20-25 pounds, you can definitely make it happen. No different than Bender and his frame.

[gopher wolf]

Ingram a PF? He would break in half the first week of the season.

Is that really any different from playing Wiggins at PF for stretches like we did last year? They're roughly the same weight.

This. He's an inch taller and has two inches on Wiggins wingspan too. He won't be a starting PF right away but once he gains 20-25 pounds, you can definitely make it happen. No different than Bender and his frame.

[urinesane]

I'm trying to recall all types of players that Thibs developed or turned into servicable players. It also makes me less worried about draft, we can use any of top5 pick: pure shooters like Hield, Ingram or Murray (see Bellineli example, Dunleavy) slashers like Brown, Dunn (see Butler, Rose), an Euro prospect like Bender (see Mirotic, Pau), one dimensional big like Noah, bruiser like Boozer.

Same here. With Thibs making the call instead of Milt, I'm way more comfortable in the fact that the Wolves will most likely get a player that will fit.

[RationalGaze]

Ingram a PF? He would break in half the first week of the season.

Is that really any different from playing Wiggins at PF for stretches like we did last year? They're roughly the same weight.

This. He's an inch taller and has two inches on Wiggins wingspan. He won't be a starting PF right away but once he gains 20-25 pounds, you can definitely make it happen. No different than Bender and his frame.

Bender doesn't weigh 190lbs. He's around 220-230.

[gopher wolf]

Is that really any different from playing Wiggins at PF for stretches like we did last year? They're roughly the same weight.

This. He's an inch taller and has two inches on Wiggins wingspan. He won't be a starting PF right away but once he gains 20-25 pounds, you can definitely make it happen. No different than Bender and his frame.

Bender doesn't weigh 190lbs. He's around 220-230.

I haven't seen anything listing him past 216 at 7-1. If actually closer to 230 then that is very reassuring.