Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell

[Takingbaconback]

I think it’s possible Rosas sees Russell similarly to Harden before the trade to Houston, an undervalued asset ready to break out (I’m not saying Russell is or ever will be at Harden’s level). What gives me confidence is that in management and the coaching staff we have BKN connections. If Rosas wants Russell, he’s probably basing that on very good info.

Exactly, Wolves gotta take gambles like this. No established premier player is gonna sign here. Russell currently doesn't check all the boxes we want in a player, but he's young and he's shown great maturation as a player and leader in Brooklyn. As opportunities for the Minnesota Timberwolves in FA go, this is almost as good as it gets

[Neeva]

I think it’s possible Rosas sees Russell similarly to Harden before the trade to Houston, an undervalued asset ready to break out (I’m not saying Russell is or ever will be at Harden’s level). What gives me confidence is that in management and the coaching staff we have BKN connections. If Rosas wants Russell, he’s probably basing that on very good info.

Exactly, Wolves gotta take gambles like this. No established premier player is gonna sign here. Russell currently doesn't check all the boxes we want in a player, but he's young and he's shown great maturation as a player and leader in Brooklyn. As opportunities for the Minnesota Timberwolves in FA go, this is almost as good as it gets

We should have taken that gamble two years ago the nets were smart i wanted wolves to take a chance on dlo back then also.
Maybe Josh Jackson is next?

[theGreatRC]

I think it’s possible Rosas sees Russell similarly to Harden before the trade to Houston, an undervalued asset ready to break out (I’m not saying Russell is or ever will be at Harden’s level). What gives me confidence is that in management and the coaching staff we have BKN connections. If Rosas wants Russell, he’s probably basing that on very good info.

Exactly, Wolves gotta take gambles like this. No established premier player is gonna sign here. Russell currently doesn't check all the boxes we want in a player, but he's young and he's shown great maturation as a player and leader in Brooklyn. As opportunities for the Minnesota Timberwolves in FA go, this is almost as good as it gets

We should have taken that gamble two years ago the nets were smart i wanted wolves to take a chance on dlo back then also.
Maybe Josh Jackson is next?

Josh Jackson is definitely not next. Maybe next big name in China, but that's it.

DLO was given up on too early, you could see the potential from a mile away, he was just young & caught up in the LA market..I think the trade really made him realize he wasn't **** yet.

Even coming into this year he was a big question mark, but i'd take a gamble only because he's close with KAT & they could be a great duo for years to come playing with each other.

[life_saver]

lmao Josh Jackson is ****..the dude also has ton of personal issues, recently there has been a case on him for getting his 2 months old kid high...like wtf is that bs.

[shangrila]

It really is a damn shame we couldn't get Garland. One pick away, one draft position away from winning the 4th the pick. If Garland really does become Lillaird 2.0 this will be a painful memory.

He won't, so don't worry.

Ironically I think his ceiling is similar to what Russell is like right now.

Plus he has questionable fashion sense lol and injury issues already.

I want to elaborate a little here, because while I believe the Lillard comparisons are absurd and barely skin deep I don't necessarily think Garland's a bad prospect.

The main differences between Garland and Lillard are turnovers/decision making and ability to get to the FT line. Lillard takes care of the ball incredibly well and rarely makes mistakes on that end. Garland averaged nearly 4 turnovers a game against sub-par competition until his injury and is late to the PG party to begin with, having spent a lot of his youth as a spot up shooter (which bodes well for his ability to operate off ball, to be fair). The other issues, FTs, is tied to the explosiveness Lillard has and Garland doesn't, even pre-injury. There's just really no way around it. Lillard had a .335 FT rate (number of FTs per FG attempt) which is great and something I'd be amazed if Garland ever came close to.

Which is why I compared him to Russell, though another maybe better comparison might be to CJ McCollum. Either way, they're both jumpshot dependent guards that don't get to the line very often (or the rim actually, at least compared to someone like Lillard) and that will always cap them in terms of superstardom. As 2nd options? Meh, you can live with it. And maybe we do regret passing on another CJ type down the line, but I'd be really surprised if Garland ever reached a point where we were kicking ourselves for not including Covington so we could get the 4 from the Pels.

Besides, Culver has a fair amount of star potential himself so even if Garland reaches some improbable level...maybe Culver does too, in which case who cares?

[Macwolf527]

I think the pathway to getting DLo is by moving Teague and Wiggins. I think there are teams out there that will take a chance on Wiggins. Miami being the front runner, but watch out for Charlotte too. If we can garner some assets in a trade for Wiggins, I still think we can get in on 3 way between Boston and Brooklyn. Boston will have to take back value in this trade and a combination of Russell/Kyrie/Teague gives you a foundation to begin. I get the feeling that Boston does not want to pay Rozier big dollars and Teague’s expiring could buy them some time to fill the starting PG position without eliminating their playoffs hopes all together.

The big question is how do you get back draft picks in a Wiggins trade. Well, it means taking back bad contracts in a sense. The Wolves are on 2 year plan in my opinion right now because of Gorgui’s contact. If you can take on some combination of 2 year/expiring contracts, the team may be willing to send picks knowing they have Wiggins locked up for 4 years. On the right team, Wiggins has some value, you just have to accept him for what he is, a SCORER, and not much more. You just have to cover up his weaknesses. There’s talk of Miami buying out Ryan Anderson’s contract, but if you package him with filler and picks, he works in a trade for Wiggins and his contact is off the books next years. You could do the same with Whiteside for Wiggins. All you need is an asset or two to get Boston and Brooklyn to buy in on the sign and trades for Irving and Russell.

Bottom line is there will be a lot of free agents moving to new teams and somebody will consider Wiggins a viable booby prize for missing out on the top players.

[Neeva]

Okc( presti) might be insterested in Wiggins as well.

[Nick K]

I am always worried about a player that only has one good season, in a contract year, and who’s about to get paid. Things fell perfectly for him too, with LaVert injured most of the year, and Dinwiddie playing with the second unit.

Sign and Trades have really declined, and almost disappeared, under the new CBA.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/05/why-nba-sign-and-trades-are-rare.html

Great points, Valid points. I feel somewhat more comfortable with D'LO but he has risks. I say, yes, we should do it.

[Nick K]

Why would you have to offer max? Stop offering Max deals. Period.

A voice of reason.

[Nick K]

Would you do Teague, Culver, and lottery protected 2020 1st round pick for Dlo?

Are you nuts??!

[Murphs56]

If we trade Covington to sign Russell, we're going to be playing Gorgui 30+ minutes a night at the PF position again lol

[Neeva]

After thinking about it I hope Rosas stays patient and does not trade away all the useful assets.
The suns will be another dumpster fire next season and I would be surprised if Booker wants to stay there.
Might be able to swap wiggins/roco for Booker lol

[Tukkerwolf]

Because they are role players, not stars. Beverly is limited in offense, Collison is an average player even for backup PG.

And they are still better than DLo...

They are role who can be part of successful team. Collison with Oladipo, Beverly with high scoring backup Lou Williams and SGA. They compliment superstars, not substitute superstar production (11.2ppg and 7.6ppg). DLo might be a 2nd option who can make whole offense work. See difference?

I see what you mean, but I strongly disagree.

[minimus]

And they are still better than DLo...

They are role who can be part of successful team. Collison with Oladipo, Beverly with high scoring backup Lou Williams and SGA. They compliment superstars, not substitute superstar production (11.2ppg and 7.6ppg). DLo might be a 2nd option who can make whole offense work. See difference?

I see what you mean, but I strongly disagree.

I'm okay if you disagree with my opinion, it is more important that you look at things that I've pointed.

[shrink]

Why would you have to offer max? Stop offering Max deals. Period.

A voice of reason.

I agree, and I don’t think he’s worth a max deal.

That said, he’s an RFA who has only made rookie scale. With all the cap space in the league, some team will offer him the max. And besides his financial reasons for accepting that deal, we shouldn’t ignore the ego of a player to be known as a max deal player.

[shrink]

After thinking about it I hope Rosas stays patient and does not trade away all the useful assets.
The suns will be another dumpster fire next season and I would be surprised if Booker wants to stay there.
Might be able to swap wiggins/roco for Booker lol

Like KAT, Booker is under contract until 2024. If either even wanted to leave their team, neither has any leverage. A team will just say “no,” and don’t Immediately risk the “I’ll leave for nothing!” threat.

[Jedzz]

wiretap report about possible WCS availability - rfa. Something about 6.2 Qualifying offer.

WCS/Towns pairing might bring a lot of smiles to the team.

[Klomp]

WCS/Towns pairing might bring a lot of smiles to the team.

Unless you're calling Towns a wing or you're paying big bucks for another backup center, I don't see it happening.

[Norseman79]

WCS/Towns pairing might bring a lot of smiles to the team.

Unless you're calling Towns a wing or you're paying big bucks for another backup center, I don't see it happening.

Can we play Karl like a wing on offense and let WCS play perimeter defense? Just throwing out thoughts of a sign and trade where we swap out either Dieng or Teague for a lower priced WCS.

[minimus]

WCS/Towns pairing might bring a lot of smiles to the team.

Unless you're calling Towns a wing or you're paying big bucks for another backup center, I don't see it happening.

Can we play Karl like a wing on offense and let WCS play perimeter defense? Just throwing out thoughts of a sign and trade where we swap out either Dieng or Teague for a lower priced WCS.

Lower priced? I bet he wants more than 25mil/yr