Towns & Okogie Both OUT 1 Month

[AbeVigodaLive]

That's the season. It was fun while it lasted

Yep thanks Rudy Gobert...

There was "no" foul on that play.

Those types of calls are reserved for guards stopping short and leaning into the defender 32 feet from the hoop. Duh.

[shrink]

That's the season. It was fun while it lasted

I tried not to laugh, but part of me thinks this is exactly right. So I laughed. +1

The truth is, this has always been a season about development. I am not just talking about developing Edwards and the rookies - every single player on this team has major areas that need improvement, and they need to learn to play together, and in this system. We don’t need to tell players to tank - we will lose plenty of games anyway, and right now, only one team is intentionally tanking (OKC). We need our players to go out and do their best, working on their problem areas, and keep morale high by occasionally knocking off a good team, like we did with UTA.

We never needed to win a title this year. We needed to be on an upward trajectory though, so we may become an exciting, winning team for future years. The goal should be reaching the playoffs the following year, have a great off-season, and truly contend for a championship the following season when most of the current stars have aged out.

[UnFadeable21]

Possible free agents option are
Dewayne Dedmon
John Henson

Dedmon can be an ideal back up and possible starter, i suppose he prefers to join contender but now he's free.
Henson >>Davis

With KAT out, I think you are going to need a big who can help take some of the scoring load we are going to miss from the big position. We already have two non scoring bigs in Davis and Vandy. We need some offense because we can’t count on Naz to score more than 10 a game.

[shrink]

A KAT injury is exactly why we have Naz.

Naz isn’t a starter-level player, and he might not even be in the Top 60 centers. However, he plays a similar game to KAT.

Since his game is similar, it allows the healthy 13 other players to develop in the same system that they will play in, when KAT returns. Towns is not going anywhere, so this type of development is more important than grabbing some other center, who might, might, get us an extra win or two.

[Calinks]

Guys you can't just fold up and turn the season in game 3 because of some injuries. We very likely wont even keep our pick, it's crazy to go into tank mode right now. We are also already the youngest team in the NBA which is always a problem. It's time to start building up to being a good team and you can still do that without KAT and Okogie.

Yes, we are probably going to lose a bunch of games, those are some key pieces but we also still can develop and grow. Player can come out better players on the other side of this thing. This is an opportunity for everyone to step up. This is an opportunity for guys like Naz, Culver, and Edwards to accelerate their games.

If we do play relatively well without KAT, imagine the confidence boost this would give our team? Imagine how good KAT would feel knowing that the team wont fall apart completely without him. This team still needs to try and win basketball games. All of these players still need to be evaluated and grow.

[Jedzz]

Now Rosas can direct Ryan to play 5 guards at one time. He must be smiling.

[jpatrick]

A KAT injury is exactly why we have Naz.

Naz isn’t a starter-level player, and he might not even be in the Top 60 centers. However, he plays a similar game to KAT.

Since his game is similar, it allows the healthy 13 other players to develop in the same system that they will play in, when KAT returns. Towns is not going anywhere, so this type of development is more important than grabbing some other center, who might, might, get us an extra win or two.

Their similarity is only in Naz’s theoretic ability to shoot. He really adds nothing else KAT brings to the table. And I could normally live with that but Naz’s shot looks absolutely broken right now.

[KGdaBom]

Well I voted for the 2nd option, but not because I condone tanking. I think we were a very borderline playoff team as is, and a month without KAT is gonna be hard to bounce back from.

Thats assuming KAT doesn't have any reoccurring issues with this, and comes back healthy in a month.

If you don't condone tanking simply abstain from voting like I did.

[KGdaBom]

Wagner IMO would be excellent. However, I really doubt Rosas sees it that way.

Trade Jake Layman straight up for Wagner.

You can keep the Timberwolves current system with Wagner since he can shoot the 3 and rebound. When KAT comes back, Wagner is Juancho insurance if he continues to play poorly, you at least have a 6’11 guy who can rebound and stretch the floor.

I don’t think Naz Reid and Davis can do it. Naz Reid is a backup and Davis has no offensive game whatsoever.

Why would they give Wagner up for Layman straight up? Throw in JMac or some kind of value. ALthough with Dinwiddie injured that team might be a trade option for JMac. They have anyone you want?

You all are forgetting how good Layman was last year. A couple bad guys and you throw Layman into the dumpster. He's a talented professional basketball player.

[KGdaBom]

There is no point in wasting talent or assets on Wagner. If you must go grab a youngster grab Donta Hall or TJ Leaf for free. I’d personally rather have RHJ though.

My experience with Wagner is that he is MUCH BETTER than Hall or Leaf.

[KGdaBom]

Two way wings have much higher value in this league than cant play defense centers that aren’t elite shooters like Kat look at Aytons value now.

Ayton's value is extremely high right now.

[KGdaBom]

I think we both agree that the short ramp up has really thrown a lot of guys around the league off their game. For us, we are pace team. Pushing the pace messes with both teams shots when the players don’t have their full wind yet. I think Beasley, Dlo, and hopefully Edwards will all improve their shooting percentage from deep as the season progresses. Culver having one bad game is not data. Nor is him having 2 good games. Culver needs to prove he can consistently make 3s and he needs to improve around the rim. Rubio also needs to be better at consistently hitting 3s or teams will double off on Beasley or Edwards and the offense will stall. When you live by the 3 you better hit them or you will die by the 3.

I agree. Which is why I wanted them to draft a more consistent 3pt shooter to use early on. A 3 and D that could play early would have been so easy to target this past draft. My hope resides in McDaniel's right now but depends if they will play him or slo roll him. Getting sick of this current logjam and inexperienced kids leading our offensvie possessions though.

Between you and me, I was screaming at my TV on draft night. I wanted Wiseman, a PF at 17 or trade up to get a good power forward depending on who was available and what was affordable (would have offered layman who is on a team friendly contract and adds depth at the wing,) and would have kept our second in the hopes of getting someone like Jayden (who might have still been there.) But, Glen wanted to dodge the tax and forced us to make a series of dumb trades and essentially gave away our second round pick. I wasn’t a fan of the draft and stash either, especially reading about him on Canis hoopus. They argue if he got a lot better he might make a good g league player.

Bolmaro is quite highly regarded by many. I didn't read the Canis Hoopus, but I think whoever did it is full of it.

[SCTwins]

Well I voted for the 2nd option, but not because I condone tanking. I think we were a very borderline playoff team as is, and a month without KAT is gonna be hard to bounce back from.

Thats assuming KAT doesn't have any reoccurring issues with this, and comes back healthy in a month.

If you don't condone tanking simply abstain from voting like I did.

I didn't think it was that serious.

I shouldn't say I don't condone tanking. If the league rewards it, and you have a terrible roster, I think it actually makes some sense. But we've had enough bottom feeding in this franchise to depress me for two lifetimes.

[winforlose]

I agree. Which is why I wanted them to draft a more consistent 3pt shooter to use early on. A 3 and D that could play early would have been so easy to target this past draft. My hope resides in McDaniel's right now but depends if they will play him or slo roll him. Getting sick of this current logjam and inexperienced kids leading our offensvie possessions though.

Between you and me, I was screaming at my TV on draft night. I wanted Wiseman, a PF at 17 or trade up to get a good power forward depending on who was available and what was affordable (would have offered layman who is on a team friendly contract and adds depth at the wing,) and would have kept our second in the hopes of getting someone like Jayden (who might have still been there.) But, Glen wanted to dodge the tax and forced us to make a series of dumb trades and essentially gave away our second round pick. I wasn’t a fan of the draft and stash either, especially reading about him on Canis hoopus. They argue if he got a lot better he might make a good g league player.

Bolmaro is quite highly regarded by many. I didn't read the Canis Hoopus, but I think whoever did it is full of it.

If these stats are correct and the writer is even half correct about the player he doesn’t belong in the G league much less the NBA.

https://www.canishoopus.com/2020/11/21/21578635/who-the-hell-is-leandro-bolmaro-nba-draft

[Neeva]

Well I voted for the 2nd option, but not because I condone tanking. I think we were a very borderline playoff team as is, and a month without KAT is gonna be hard to bounce back from.

Thats assuming KAT doesn't have any reoccurring issues with this, and comes back healthy in a month.

If you don't condone tanking simply abstain from voting like I did.

I didn't think it was that serious.

I shouldn't say I don't condone tanking. If the league rewards it, and you have a terrible roster, I think it actually makes some sense. But we've had enough bottom feeding in this franchise to depress me for two lifetimes.

In the long run it would be best to get lucky and get our pick this offseason. Wolves can get the point of the future in Cunningham or Suggs or draft Mobley (who will be better than Wiseman!) or use the pick to trade for a legit second star. Go all out for playoffs in 2021-2022 season with fans back in stands and healthy Kat and improved Ant and Culver give the warriors a pick in the twenties which they won’t be able to
use to move Wiggins since it won’t be enough lol.

[Jedzz]

Well I voted for the 2nd option, but not because I condone tanking. I think we were a very borderline playoff team as is, and a month without KAT is gonna be hard to bounce back from.

Thats assuming KAT doesn't have any reoccurring issues with this, and comes back healthy in a month.

If you don't condone tanking simply abstain from voting like I did.

I didn't think it was that serious.

I shouldn't say I don't condone tanking. If the league rewards it, and you have a terrible roster, I think it actually makes some sense. But we've had enough bottom feeding in this franchise to depress me for two lifetimes.

There is no evidence seen from our team's perspective that tanking for picks will change anything. For as long as I can remember people have been claiming there is always a shot to find some kind of difference maker. What? You mean like the 3 or 4 players of the last 40-50 years that could single handedly change a franchise? We'll we've had 30 years of this franchise and never found a single one. KG wasn't doing it alone. Towns today isn't. Any other good ones inbetween that made any difference whatsoever? So how does anyone expect to draft top 3 next year and all of a sudden have a team to finally get serious about trying to compete? We already have two #1 overalls, just traded a former #1 overall away, a #2, #5,#15,#19,#20 as examples and we got what against the Lakers the other night? Adding another #1 overall next year is going to finally do it? Yeah right.

We can claim the league rewards tanking, but is it really an award to pay players on fictitious human derived hype much more than other players that offer just as much? Is it a reward to spend the years overpaying them and playing them during the development years only to hand them off to a new team once they are good enough to have the power to get what they want? Is it a reward to have one unique individual constantly hanging a future move over the teams every decision, trying to fit players around them to keep them happy? Wouldn't it be ten fold easier to just buy them ready to go like other teams do? Buy and pay the ones you know can play and just forget the draft? You can buy undrafted players every year. The selection set is much larger and the probability of finding gems there might be higher than one chance in 30 in the first round of the draft for a player you have to pay 5-10 million for immediately. I can't see how trading every single first round pick of the last 20 years for cash that you then use to support the buying of free agents and otherwise use second round picks and undrafted players to build a team would or could have been any worse an outcome than we've had.

[Slim Tubby]

If you don't condone tanking simply abstain from voting like I did.

I didn't think it was that serious.

I shouldn't say I don't condone tanking. If the league rewards it, and you have a terrible roster, I think it actually makes some sense. But we've had enough bottom feeding in this franchise to depress me for two lifetimes.

There is no evidence seen from our team's perspective that tanking for picks will change anything. For as long as I can remember people have been claiming there is always a shot to find some kind of difference maker. What? You mean like the 3 or 4 players of the last 40-50 years that could single handedly change a franchise? We'll we've had 30 years of this franchise and never found a single one. KG wasn't doing it alone. Towns today isn't. Any other good ones inbetween that made any difference whatsoever? So how does anyone expect to draft top 3 next year and all of a sudden have a team to finally get serious about trying to compete? We already have two #1 overalls, just traded a former #1 overall away, a #2, #5,#15,#19,#20 as examples and we got what against the Lakers the other night? Adding another #1 overall next year is going to finally do it? Yeah right.

We can claim the league rewards tanking, but is it really an award to pay players on fictitious human derived hype much more than other players that offer just as much? Is it a reward to spend the years overpaying them and playing them during the development years only to hand them off to a new team once they are good enough to have the power to get what they want? Is it a reward to have one unique individual constantly hanging a future move over the teams every decision, trying to fit players around them to keep them happy? Wouldn't it be ten fold easier to just buy them ready to go like other teams do? Buy and pay the ones you know can play and just forget the draft? You can buy undrafted players every year. The selection set is much larger and the probability of finding gems there might be higher than one chance in 30 in the first round of the draft for a player you have to pay 5-10 million for immediately. I can't see how trading every single first round pick of the last 20 years for cash that you then use to support the buying of free agents and otherwise use second round picks and undrafted players to build a team would or could have been any worse an outcome than we've had.

When you look at our draft history, with the exception of a few, it’s hard to find fault in your logic.

On a side note, I think you could use a shot of Don Julio and a sample of something my uncle grows in a secret room in his basement.


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[KGdaBom]

Between you and me, I was screaming at my TV on draft night. I wanted Wiseman, a PF at 17 or trade up to get a good power forward depending on who was available and what was affordable (would have offered layman who is on a team friendly contract and adds depth at the wing,) and would have kept our second in the hopes of getting someone like Jayden (who might have still been there.) But, Glen wanted to dodge the tax and forced us to make a series of dumb trades and essentially gave away our second round pick. I wasn’t a fan of the draft and stash either, especially reading about him on Canis hoopus. They argue if he got a lot better he might make a good g league player.

Bolmaro is quite highly regarded by many. I didn't read the Canis Hoopus, but I think whoever did it is full of it.

If these stats are correct and the writer is even half correct about the player he doesn’t belong in the G league much less the NBA.

https://www.canishoopus.com/2020/11/21/21578635/who-the-hell-is-leandro-bolmaro-nba-draft

Maybe for people with no vision. He's going to be an excellent NBA player for 10 or more years.

[Jedzz]

On a side note, I think you could use a shot of Don Julio and a sample of something my uncle grows in a secret room in his basement.


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Probably yes. I'm looking hard for a reason to celebrate anything these days and not finding enough.

[Neeva]

Wolves won’t be tanking they just flat out suck(with no Kat) The onky teams worse might be the bulls and okc who IS tanking.