Is it time yet? To move on from Rosas?

[shrink]

Tic tac tic tac tic tac

Each day that goes by the value of HIS assets are dropping fast...

I really was expecting a big trade before the season started when i saw the direction he took.

13 games later - worst team in the league.
And nothing...

And we really can't put the blame on the unlucky we had with Towns going down because guess what... Pretty much every team had to deal with the same thing.

Rosas, where are you man?

You can call them his assets, but the assets he had when he took over weren't any better. He hasn't had a ton to work with.

There is some truth to that, but our three best assets outside of Towns have been our picks, and he has used them for

2019 #6 for Culver
2020 #1 for Edwards
2021 1st to turn Wiggins into Russell

I think each of these may have decreased their trade value.

[Merc_Porto]

If Taylor ever gets off his ass and sells the team, both Rosas and Sanders will be fired in short order. I don't want Rosas involved in picking a new HC. As for desperately needing front court help, Wiseman was sitting right there, but Rosas had to pick an inferior player at a logjammed position. What a genius.

There's not a more logjammed situation than drafting someone to sit behind your superstar player.

Your answer seems to imply that Wiseman and Towns could not co-exist on the floor on the same time.
I call bs on that.

- Towns played together with Willie Cauley-Stein at KU and it worked quite well. Why would a Wiseman / Towns combo not be able to coexist for 10 mpg? That's a size advantage on offense basically against anyone in the league.
- Towns averages about 33-34 mpg, at least 14 mpg left for the back up C.
- Based on past experience, Towns is one of the league leaders in fouls committed per game. Every season. Having a quality replacement for him would mean that Towns can focus more on playing adequate D rather than having to avoid fouls.
- Towns missed a lot of games last year.

Given that the teams decision was to resign Beasley - which I still do not agree with for off-court reasons - there really was no need to draft Edwards over Wiseman - who was quite obviously the better prospect IMHO.

In addition, by not drafting Edwards, you would've not put last years top pick - Culver - in the doghouse.
Culver can be a decent player. They just need to let him figure things out.

Now Wolves are stuck with:
- No Wiseman
- Low BBIQ Edwards bricking shot after shot
- Culver in reduced role lacking confidence

All of this, is not news to anyone. It was known on draft day already.

Wiseman wasn't the right choice to be a "backup" for KAT. But then we draft a guard to join the other 10 guards we had already.

Or better yet, we draft a SG with the number one overrall pick to be a backup to Malik Beasley.

Just perfect.

[Sugarless]

Tic tac tic tac tic tac

Each day that goes by the value of HIS assets are dropping fast...

I really was expecting a big trade before the season started when i saw the direction he took.

13 games later - worst team in the league.
And nothing...

And we really can't put the blame on the unlucky we had with Towns going down because guess what... Pretty much every team had to deal with the same thing.

Rosas, where are you man?

You can call them his assets, but the assets he had when he took over weren't any better. He hasn't had a ton to work with.

Yeah right. Keep believing in that.

Not sure if I'm forgetting anything, but this is what he's done so far with his main assets (rotation players, picks, cap room):

He had Dario Saric and what turned out to be Cam Johnson. He now has Culver in exchange. He lost value.

He had RoCo, Dieng and a bunch of 3rd string guys (KBD, Napier, Vonleh...). He now has Beasley, Rubio, another couple of 3rd string guys (Juancho, Vanderbilt) and less cap room. It could have been a wash or even a slight win, but he built an awful, nonsensical roster that's bringing down his players' value, and he's losing again.

He had Wiggins, his 2021 or 2022 (loaded drafts) extremely high 1st round pick and his 2021 extremely high second. He now has 'Angelo Russell. He lost a **** of value.

He had the 1st pick in the 2020 draft. He now has a raw chucker with low BBIQ that doesn't fit the needs of the team and is looking like the worst no.1 pick since Anthony Bennett. He lost value.

The only way to try to revert what he's done so far -besides hiring a proper NBA HC- would be to trade Russell for veteran help at the F/C spots (don't think for a second you're getting a star, cause Russell isn't one, aim at better fits and shorter / smaller contracts) and move Culver for a 3-pt shooter, restoring some balance on the roster and trying to bring up the value of guys like Rubio and Edwards, while giving Beasley the chance to show if he can take his scoring even further as the no. 2 on this team, making him a more valuable asset as well. I'm absolutely not counting on it, though, I think he'll die with the Russell - Towns duo and get fired in a couple of years.

[Merc_Porto]

You can call them his assets, but the assets he had when he took over weren't any better. He hasn't had a ton to work with.

Yeah right. Keep believing in that.

Not sure if I'm forgetting anything, but this is what he's done so far with his main assets (rotation players, picks, cap room):

He had Dario Saric and what turned out to be Cam Johnson. He now has Culver in exchange. He lost value.

He had RoCo, Dieng and a bunch of 3rd string guys (KBD, Napier, Vonleh...). He now has Beasley, Rubio, another couple of 3rd string guys (Juancho, Vanderbilt) and less cap room. It could have been a wash or even a slight win, but he built an awful, nonsensical roster that's bringing down his players' value, and he's losing again.

He had Wiggins, his 2021 or 2022 (loaded drafts) extremely high 1st round pick and his 2021 extremely high second. He now has 'Angelo Russell. He lost a **** of value.

He had the 1st pick in the 2020 draft. He now has a raw chucker with low BBIQ that doesn't fit the needs of the team and is looking like the worst no.1 pick since Anthony Bennett. He lost value.

The only way to try to revert what he's done so far -besides hiring a proper NBA HC- would be to trade Russell for veteran help at the F/C spots (don't think for a second you're getting a star, cause Russell isn't one, aim at better fits and shorter / smaller contracts) and move Culver for a 3-pt shooter, restoring some balance on the roster and trying to bring up the value of guys like Rubio and Edwards, while giving Beasley the chance to show if he can take his scoring even further as the no. 2 on this team, making him a more valuable asset as well. I'm absolutely not counting on it, though, I think he'll die with the Russell - Towns duo and get fired in a couple of years.

Exactly. Thank you.

It is quiet simple actually...
We are the worst team in the NBA without any cap flexibility moving forward and without the control of our FRP pick.

All of this with the value of the players dropping really fast because like you said... The way this roster is built is kinda ridiculous and predictable bad.

But then some people actually believe we can win with a KAT-Dlo duo making 60 millions per season. If that is not the worst 'star duo' in the NBA, is close.

PS: Also let's not forget the names we didn't sign to re-sign Beasley and Juancho, to bring Ricky as backup to Dlo while Detroit and Houston were making S&T to get Wood and Grant. We had expiring James Johnson and #17 to get one of those players.

Timberwolves baby

[Klomp]

If Taylor ever gets off his ass and sells the team, both Rosas and Sanders will be fired in short order. I don't want Rosas involved in picking a new HC. As for desperately needing front court help, Wiseman was sitting right there, but Rosas had to pick an inferior player at a logjammed position. What a genius.

There's not a more logjammed situation than drafting someone to sit behind your superstar player.

Your answer seems to imply that Wiseman and Towns could not co-exist on the floor on the same time.
I call bs on that.

- Towns played together with Willie Cauley-Stein at KU and it worked quite well. Why would a Wiseman / Towns combo not be able to coexist for 10 mpg? That's a size advantage on offense basically against anyone in the league.
- Towns averages about 33-34 mpg, at least 14 mpg left for the back up C.
- Based on past experience, Towns is one of the league leaders in fouls committed per game. Every season. Having a quality replacement for him would mean that Towns can focus more on playing adequate D rather than having to avoid fouls.
- Towns missed a lot of games last year.

College is a very different game. Trey Lyles played SF on that team, you don't see him doing that in the NBA. Spacing is key.

Drafting at No. 1 to sell to your fan base 14 mpg, a foul trouble/injury replacement as the upside of the pick is just dumb. And you don't want to market as "our future superstar C" when your current superstar is also a C. Career suicide.

[Foye]

There's not a more logjammed situation than drafting someone to sit behind your superstar player.

Your answer seems to imply that Wiseman and Towns could not co-exist on the floor on the same time.
I call bs on that.

- Towns played together with Willie Cauley-Stein at KU and it worked quite well. Why would a Wiseman / Towns combo not be able to coexist for 10 mpg? That's a size advantage on offense basically against anyone in the league.
- Towns averages about 33-34 mpg, at least 14 mpg left for the back up C.
- Based on past experience, Towns is one of the league leaders in fouls committed per game. Every season. Having a quality replacement for him would mean that Towns can focus more on playing adequate D rather than having to avoid fouls.
- Towns missed a lot of games last year.

College is a very different game. Trey Lyles played SF on that team, you don't see him doing that in the NBA. Spacing is key.

Drafting at No. 1 to sell to your fan base 14 mpg, a foul trouble/injury replacement as the upside of the pick is just dumb. And you don't want to market as "our future superstar C" when your current superstar is also a C. Career suicide.

Just because you cant imagine, doesnt mean it cant work.
Towns has range and provides spacing. Dont see how this is an issue.
It is not about marketing. Its about winning games.
Not like Edwards provides spacing either. Spacing bricks maybe.

[SCTwins]

I'm not a fan.

2 years in and THIS is the team he scrapped together?

I also think hanging your future on a KAT-D'Lo buddy pairing is a recipe for long term failure.

AND we probably won't get a draft pick this year?

[Jedzz]

There's not a more logjammed situation than drafting someone to sit behind your superstar player.

Your answer seems to imply that Wiseman and Towns could not co-exist on the floor on the same time.
I call bs on that.

- Towns played together with Willie Cauley-Stein at KU and it worked quite well. Why would a Wiseman / Towns combo not be able to coexist for 10 mpg? That's a size advantage on offense basically against anyone in the league.
- Towns averages about 33-34 mpg, at least 14 mpg left for the back up C.
- Based on past experience, Towns is one of the league leaders in fouls committed per game. Every season. Having a quality replacement for him would mean that Towns can focus more on playing adequate D rather than having to avoid fouls.
- Towns missed a lot of games last year.

College is a very different game. Trey Lyles played SF on that team, you don't see him doing that in the NBA. Spacing is key.

Drafting at No. 1 to sell to your fan base 14 mpg, a foul trouble/injury replacement as the upside of the pick is just dumb. And you don't want to market as "our future superstar C" when your current superstar is also a C. Career suicide.

This is what's wrong every lotto draft and season. Trying to draft to sell to fanbase fake stories instead of drafting to build a team and then develop correctly. You basically just agreed with how they have operated their entire existence, drafting lotto players, marketing the piss out of them as instant future stars and playing them insane minute loads as rookies and believing they need to do that in order to sell tickets and not giving two thoughts to whether the player should be playing that much yet., or whether actual wins would drive more sales. Most the fanbase has been watching them do this for so long they think that is the only way. But you let it out of the bag just now, this is all for marketing dreams not for winning games dreams.

Kobe's rookie season averaged 15 mpg. Who cares? Wiseman could have played 10 minutes backup center and 8-10 minnutes alongside Towns. That's 18-20 minutes. Then if you want to field offers for Wiseman you still have Reid. I honestly didn't want any of the top 3 hyped for a pick due to risk and fit and knowing Wolves would overplay them, but Wiseman was the interest because of what he brings that nobody at the Wolves ever brings.

[Jedzz]

I'm not a fan.

2 years in and THIS is the team he scrapped together?

I also think hanging your future on a KAT-D'Lo buddy pairing is a recipe for long term failure.

AND we probably won't get a draft pick this year?

Towns/Dlo still hasn't had many games together yet. Take a second and remember that while you join the pair bashing with others.

[Note30]

I'm not a fan.

2 years in and THIS is the team he scrapped together?

I also think hanging your future on a KAT-D'Lo buddy pairing is a recipe for long term failure.

AND we probably won't get a draft pick this year?

Towns/Dlo still hasn't had many games together yet. Take a second and remember that while you join the pair bashing with others.

Dlo can't win one game by himself, when he wins with Towns its not because their combo "works" its because Towns is carrying.

[jpatrick]

It’s time for Taylor to complete the sale and let the new owner clean house. It’s the only way.

[Rookie-Mistake]

This.

It’s time for Taylor to complete the sale and let the new owner clean house. It’s the only way.

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[Neeva]

It’s time for Taylor to complete the sale and let the new owner clean house. It’s the only way.

Move from the state of Minnesota if it means the curse stays there enough is enough.

[SCTwins]

I'm not a fan.

2 years in and THIS is the team he scrapped together?

I also think hanging your future on a KAT-D'Lo buddy pairing is a recipe for long term failure.

AND we probably won't get a draft pick this year?

Towns/Dlo still hasn't had many games together yet. Take a second and remember that while you join the pair bashing with others.

You know as well as I do that nobody is scared of that combo.

Come on man..

[SCTwins]

I'm not a fan.

2 years in and THIS is the team he scrapped together?

I also think hanging your future on a KAT-D'Lo buddy pairing is a recipe for long term failure.

AND we probably won't get a draft pick this year?

Towns/Dlo still hasn't had many games together yet. Take a second and remember that while you join the pair bashing with others.

Dlo can't win one game by himself, when he wins with Towns its not because their combo "works" its because Towns is carrying.

Agreed.

[Foye]

Your answer seems to imply that Wiseman and Towns could not co-exist on the floor on the same time.
I call bs on that.

- Towns played together with Willie Cauley-Stein at KU and it worked quite well. Why would a Wiseman / Towns combo not be able to coexist for 10 mpg? That's a size advantage on offense basically against anyone in the league.
- Towns averages about 33-34 mpg, at least 14 mpg left for the back up C.
- Based on past experience, Towns is one of the league leaders in fouls committed per game. Every season. Having a quality replacement for him would mean that Towns can focus more on playing adequate D rather than having to avoid fouls.
- Towns missed a lot of games last year.

College is a very different game. Trey Lyles played SF on that team, you don't see him doing that in the NBA. Spacing is key.

Drafting at No. 1 to sell to your fan base 14 mpg, a foul trouble/injury replacement as the upside of the pick is just dumb. And you don't want to market as "our future superstar C" when your current superstar is also a C. Career suicide.

This is what's wrong every lotto draft and season. Trying to draft to sell to fanbase fake stories instead of drafting to build a team and then develop correctly. You basically just agreed with how they have operated their entire existence, drafting lotto players, marketing the piss out of them as instant future stars and playing them insane minute loads as rookies and believing they need to do that in order to sell tickets and not giving two thoughts to whether the player should be playing that much yet., or whether actual wins would drive more sales. Most the fanbase has been watching them do this for so long they think that is the only way. But you let it out of the bag just now, this is all for marketing dreams not for winning games dreams.

Kobe's rookie season averaged 15 mpg. Who cares? Wiseman could have played 10 minutes backup center and 8-10 minnutes alongside Towns. That's 18-20 minutes. Then if you want to field offers for Wiseman you still have Reid. I honestly didn't want any of the top 3 hyped for a pick due to risk and fit and knowing Wolves would overplay them, but Wiseman was the interest because of what he brings that nobody at the Wolves ever brings.

100%.

[wolves_89]

It’s time for Taylor to complete the sale and let the new owner clean house. It’s the only way.

That seems like an almost inevitable outcome at this point. It's hard to imagine a new regime keeping Rosas with the disastrously bad situation that he has been unable to get on track. It would be difficult to make a case to a new owner that Rosas job performance justifies his continued employment.

[Jedzz]

I'm not a fan.

2 years in and THIS is the team he scrapped together?

I also think hanging your future on a KAT-D'Lo buddy pairing is a recipe for long term failure.

AND we probably won't get a draft pick this year?

Towns/Dlo still hasn't had many games together yet. Take a second and remember that while you join the pair bashing with others.

Dlo can't win one game by himself, when he wins with Towns its not because their combo "works" its because Towns is carrying.

Towns doesn't win games by himself either. Neither does Lebron or anyone else. When you POBO/GM contruct a crappy roster imbalance and coaches don't evaluate their own players well, and play games with the regular season that have nothing to do with winning or getting a new roster to gel, like starting seasons by planning to instantly inflate young player values for trades, then Nobody is going to look good. Surprise, this is what happened.

Not only is the head coach in question for his ingame adjustments, timeout usage, and really...decisions on who plays, but so are the two assistants that were supposed to be up and coming future head coaching candidates of this leage in Prigioni and Vanterpool who are running offense/defense gameplans. If you want to call them gameplans.

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Can't wait for the "see" posts now that they won a game without Dlo playing. As if everyone's job there wasn't target practice on the wall after that Hawks loss to push them this Pelican's game.

[Note30]

Towns/Dlo still hasn't had many games together yet. Take a second and remember that while you join the pair bashing with others.

Dlo can't win one game by himself, when he wins with Towns its not because their combo "works" its because Towns is carrying.

Towns doesn't win games by himself either. Neither does Lebron or anyone else. When you POBO/GM contruct a crappy roster imbalance and coaches don't evaluate their own players well, and play games with the regular season that have nothing to do with winning or getting a new roster to gel, like starting seasons by planning to instantly inflate young player values for trades, then Nobody is going to look good. Surprise, this is what happened.

Not only is the head coach in question for his ingame adjustments, timeout usage, and really...decisions on who plays, but so are the two assistants that were supposed to be up and coming future head coaching candidates of this leage in Prigioni and Vanterpool who are running offense/defense gameplans. If you want to call them gameplans.

Read on Twitter

Can't wait for the "see" posts now that they won a game without Dlo playing. As if everyone's job there wasn't target practice on the wall after that Hawks loss to push them this Pelican's game.

Thats like saying Kobe (81) and Kwame (3) scored 84, so glad they won that game together. Or wow LeBron James and James Jones what a dynamic duo, because they won 3 chips together.

I'm no saying DLo is as scrubby as those guys but Towns + Dlo will equal more wins because Towns will carry - substitute Dlo with any comparable SG and it will be the same thing.

[Jedzz]

Dlo can't win one game by himself, when he wins with Towns its not because their combo "works" its because Towns is carrying.

Towns doesn't win games by himself either. Neither does Lebron or anyone else. When you POBO/GM contruct a crappy roster imbalance and coaches don't evaluate their own players well, and play games with the regular season that have nothing to do with winning or getting a new roster to gel, like starting seasons by planning to instantly inflate young player values for trades, then Nobody is going to look good. Surprise, this is what happened.

Not only is the head coach in question for his ingame adjustments, timeout usage, and really...decisions on who plays, but so are the two assistants that were supposed to be up and coming future head coaching candidates of this leage in Prigioni and Vanterpool who are running offense/defense gameplans. If you want to call them gameplans.

Read on Twitter

Can't wait for the "see" posts now that they won a game without Dlo playing. As if everyone's job there wasn't target practice on the wall after that Hawks loss to push them this Pelican's game.

Thats like saying Kobe (81) and Kwame (3) scored 84,

When was the last time Towns scored 81 or Dlo scored 3 while playing together. It's not like that at all. If you want to honestly discuss these things let's stick to real talk, deal?

I have it in another post already today that Dlo accounts for 70 pts and 97 minutes of three of the teams four wins this year. But someone like you is claiming he can't, and specifically claiming he's causing all the losses. Find me any player on this team that accounted for more points during those wins. Beasley accounted for 65 pts and 100 minutes in those three previous wins. These two players were capable of helping us win even with the team coaches making horrible decisions left and right all around them. It wasn't pretty and people shouldn't expect it to have been given the environment the coaches created for them. But they won the games. No individual numbers matter during this season aside from scoring enough to get the wins and especially with your super simple claim about singular players "winning games" all by themselves.