Beasley suspended 12 games

[AbeVigodaLive]

At the time he signed with GSW for 26 he passed on max deals from other teams. Take less now and when bird rights kick in we pay you more (or as more money becomes available.) Same principle as Joe Smith. Also taking a one year deal for less when he could have signed a 5 year max. What if had torn his ACL or suffered another serious injury. I agree this smelled less fishy, but it still stinks to high heaven.

I don't think that's accurate.

On July 2, 2016, the NBA set max contracts... for players with 9 years of NBA service... the max contract was $26,540,100.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/07/league-sets-201617-salary-cap.html

Kevin Durant signed on July 7, 2016... for $26,540,100. This was a $6M raise from the previous season.

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Now compare that to a 23-year-old signing for 1/2 of his rookie deal... turning down $80M to do so... and playing for $1.75M.




I'm at a loss how/why you're comparing those two situations.

I read your link and I could be conflating the situation with the pay cut he took the following year. But, he did take a two year deal with a player option instead of a four or five year deal. The total value of the contract is lower and that was the original point of the outrage.

You ask why I compare the situation, because it feels like bigger stars and bigger city teams get all the breaks in the NBA. Officiating, tampering, the lottery (which I believe is rigged,) you name it. The context in this thread is the issue of what suspension MB would have got as part of a Lakers or Warriors team.

I guess time will tell as more players commit crimes and we can see how the punishments come down.

1. You were wrong.
2. I proved you wrong.
3. You're still arguing the point?

[winforlose]

All I’ve seen, was that he was arrested at his residence.

Read toward the bottom where they detail the arrest. Again I am not defending his behavior, what he did was wrong and illegal. I just want the facts to be accurately represented.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30965255/minnesota-timberwolves-malik-beasley-suspended-12-games-guilty-plea

Sure dude. And I’m pretty fine with how I’m representing them.

I, however, think you’ve maybe gone a bit hardcore in your defence of Beasley where you can’t seem to see the obvious.

He was arrested at his property. When the police first came he was ranting and raving at them walking down his driveway. The police then, at his residence with Malik, smelt ‘overwhelming’ weed. Malik and fam then tried to get in their car to leave the property, but the police stopped them. They never left the property and the police were already arresting him. The police would not have given him a DUO (driving under the odour lol) because he got into his car on his property and then the police took him out. You are clearly trying to overstate this whole ‘Malik was driving afterwards’ angle, when he really wasn’t.

Dude, you’re grasping at straws.

We are both wrong. I misread the article and so did you.
From the article “Officers set up a perimeter to locate the individual and detected a strong odor of marijuana, according to the statement. A vehicle attempted to leave the property and was stopped by police. Three people in the car were detained and later released. A man, who identified himself as the homeowner, was outside and yelling at officers.”

The smell did come from the home not Beasley. Where I was wrong is that he was not the one behind the wheel. He was out front yelling. Notice the article does not say he smelled of marijuana. So my point about DUI is mistaken, but so to is your point about smelling of drugs. Beyond that point there is no clear evidence of his being high at the time. Unless of course I am missing something.

[Jedzz]

The suspension is absolutly justified. This season man.

tank for 40 (percent)

100 percent justified. This absolute tool pointed a loaded rifle, while stoned, at a little girl.

...and then people are like... ‘I just love Beasley, I think he’s gonna be a star’

When do you skuttle back to the Raptors area and bug them anyway?

[TRik]

The suspension is absolutly justified. This season man.

tank for 40 (percent)

100 percent justified. This absolute tool pointed a loaded rifle, while stoned, at a little girl.

...and then people are like... ‘I just love Beasley, I think he’s gonna be a star’

When do you skuttle back to the Raptors area and bug them anyway?

You seem a bit obsessed mate. I’m sorry that me being a fan of the Raptors and the Wolves offends you so much.

Why don’t you just go ahead and select my profile, then ‘add foe’. That way, you won’t have to see my posts.

Cheers.

[Wolveswin]

Is Adam Silver actually trying to help our tank and get us our MN boy in Suggs?

Could it be?

If by help the tank mean secure 40% chance of keeping 1st — then yes.

[winforlose]

One small upside (tiny silver lining,) Wolves get around 500,000 cap refund due to the suspension. Should help with 10 day contracts or give more room for trades to stay under the tax.

[PharmD]

As bad as holding up a family with an assault rifle is I still think the worst part was having a loaded semi-automatic shotgun lying on the floor accessible to his toddler.

[winforlose]

As bad as holding up a family with an assault rifle is I still think the worst part was having a loaded semi-automatic shotgun lying on the floor accessible to his toddler.

First, hold up has a specific meaning in this context. you should read this: https://www.thefreedictionary.com/holdup

Second, I know he pointed a gun in the direction of his kid (unclear from what I read if it was loaded,) but I never heard about leaving a shotgun loaded and on the floor. Can you please provide a link.

[Rookie-Mistake]

Did you graduate? Are you currently practicing?

Are you ok?

There were extenuating circumstances. For one, he had no priors, for another riots were going on, and finally by pleading out he saved the time and money and legal congestion of a trial. Judicial economy is something highly prized given how full the dockets are. Still, I am surprised they are making him serve time at all. I honestly believe had he been white and the family non white he would have been on a suspended sentence or invited to speak at the RNC.

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When I was in law school they explained the way our justice system truly functions. Look up the difference in legal penalties between use and possession of crack vs powder cocaine. Look up the statistics on sentencing with white victims and perps of color vs victims of color and white perps. Or even persons of color on both sides. I don’t endorse what he did, but I do think the penalty was different based on the factors mentioned above. If it is simply a question of the guns, white homeowners who pointed loaded weapons at passerby’s perceived to be threat happened recently, they spoke at the RNC.

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[winforlose]

Did you graduate? Are you currently practicing?

Are you ok?

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When I was in law school they explained the way our justice system truly functions. Look up the difference in legal penalties between use and possession of crack vs powder cocaine. Look up the statistics on sentencing with white victims and perps of color vs victims of color and white perps. Or even persons of color on both sides. I don’t endorse what he did, but I do think the penalty was different based on the factors mentioned above. If it is simply a question of the guns, white homeowners who pointed loaded weapons at passerby’s perceived to be threat happened recently, they spoke at the RNC.

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I did graduate and am licensed in the state. That said, I don’t practice nor have I ever practiced criminal law. My entire framework for understanding criminal law is based on a criminal law class as well as intersections between criminal law and civil law in classes like evidence, trial prep, ect... That said, I do read, and pay attention.

[PharmD]

As bad as holding up a family with an assault rifle is I still think the worst part was having a loaded semi-automatic shotgun lying on the floor accessible to his toddler.

First, hold up has a specific meaning in this context. you should read this: https://www.thefreedictionary.com/holdup

Second, I know he pointed a gun in the direction of his kid (unclear from what I read if it was loaded,) but I never heard about leaving a shotgun loaded and on the floor. Can you please provide a link.

Not sure how you haven't heard about that given that you seem to be pretty active itt but sure, let me google that for you:

The child protection petition said police seized from the home a loaded semi­automatic shotgun on an office floor and “accessible to [the boy],” a handgun, a rifle, more than 1 ¾ pounds of marijuana, three notebooks suspected of being drug ledgers, nine dextroamphetamine pills and various firearms supplies. Police say the shotgun was reported stolen in Denver, the same city where Beasley played for the Nuggets until he was traded to the Timberwolves in February.

https://www.startribune.com/county-challenging-parental-rights-of-beasley-wife-after-drug-weapons-charges/572969622/

[winforlose]

As bad as holding up a family with an assault rifle is I still think the worst part was having a loaded semi-automatic shotgun lying on the floor accessible to his toddler.

First, hold up has a specific meaning in this context. you should read this: https://www.thefreedictionary.com/holdup

Second, I know he pointed a gun in the direction of his kid (unclear from what I read if it was loaded,) but I never heard about leaving a shotgun loaded and on the floor. Can you please provide a link.

Not sure how you haven't heard about that given that you seem to be pretty active itt but sure, let me google that for you:

The child protection petition said police seized from the home a loaded semi­automatic shotgun on an office floor and “accessible to [the boy],” a handgun, a rifle, more than 1 ¾ pounds of marijuana, three notebooks suspected of being drug ledgers, nine dextroamphetamine pills and various firearms supplies. Police say the shotgun was reported stolen in Denver, the same city where Beasley played for the Nuggets until he was traded to the Timberwolves in February.

https://www.startribune.com/county-challenging-parental-rights-of-beasley-wife-after-drug-weapons-charges/572969622/

I knew about the CPS petition but I never read the details. I also knew about the security video and the stuff they seized, I just didn’t know that the shotgun was loaded and on the floor. I did some further reading and it paints a pretty bad picture. Finding three books that might be drug ledgers and a loaded firearm in reach of child (although since it was his office the room may be kept locked,) I am surprised they didn’t file additional criminal charges.

[Klomp]

One small upside (tiny silver lining,) Wolves get around 500,000 cap refund due to the suspension. Should help with 10 day contracts or give more room for trades to stay under the tax.

This is what winforlose is referring to (it's actually a bigger refund if I'm calculating this correctly): http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q13



In English:
12 games is 1/6th of the season this year. Beasley is making $13,425,895 this season, of which 1/6th is $2,237,649.17. That is the amount which will be deducted from Beasley's earned salary, and the team books will not include half of that or $1,118,824.58 at the end of the season.

The amount is only for luxury tax purposes and not extra cap room though. I know, that part is somewhat confusing to me too as to what that means exactly. I think what they're basically saying is that the amount does not create any sort of salary cap exception.

[winforlose]

Copied directly from hoopshype.

Bobby Marks: The 12 game suspension for Malik Beasley will cost the guard $1.1M. The Timberwolves will receive a $550K credit toward the luxury tax. He is eligible to return on March 27 vs. Houston. 2 days ago – via

I posted a few hours after reading it and got the number slightly wrong. It was 550 not 500.

[Klomp]

Copied directly from hoopshype.

Bobby Marks: The 12 game suspension for Malik Beasley will cost the guard $1.1M. The Timberwolves will receive a $550K credit toward the luxury tax. He is eligible to return on March 27 vs. Houston. 2 days ago – via

I posted a few hours after reading it and got the number slightly wrong. It was 550 not 500.

Strange. Marks should know what he's talking about, so I don't exactly doubt him.

There was another part of the FAQ that mentioned suspended players are docked either 1/110th or 1/145th of their salary, but neither one lines up with that amount. The part I mentioned earlier does seem to line up closer, but it's like it was cut in half twice instead of once so I'm not sure where the discrepancy lies or what I'm missing.

[Jedzz]

Meanwhile the injury Lawyer and his wife in St. Louis pled not guilty to felony charges for aiming assault rifle and automatic pistols at protestors. Beyond pleading not guilty, their trial was put on hold when their lawyer, or Donald Trump depending on what you know, got the prosecutor dismissed from the trial. A new semi retired 73 year old senior judge was appointed the role as special prosecutor in January who said this might be a nice way to spend his next year or so. It will be interesting to see if this couple skates free with fines and hefty legal fees, or loses their own license to practice law in the near future. The injury lawyer had said he and his wife are facing charges that could get them 4 years in jail and none of the protestors face any charges. But I think everyone pretty much assumes this couple isn't spending a day in jail. Could the Missouri Bar take his license for 12 months or would that be out of bounds?

[winforlose]

Meanwhile the injury Lawyer and his wife in St. Louis pled not guilty to felony charges for aiming assault rifle and automatic pistols at protestors. Beyond pleading not guilty, their trial was put on hold when their lawyer, or Donald Trump depending on what you know, got the prosecutor dismissed from the trial. A new semi retired 73 year old senior judge was appointed the role as special prosecutor in January who said this might be a nice way to spend his next year or so. It will be interesting to see if this couple skates free with fines and hefty legal fees, or loses their own license to practice law in the near future. The injury lawyer had said he and his wife are facing charges that could get them 4 years in jail and none of the protestors face any charges. But I think everyone pretty much assumes this couple isn't spending a day in jail. Could the Missouri Bar take his license for 12 months or would that be out of bounds?

That is a very tough question for any lawyer not living in Missouri. In Minnesota the licensing board is more concerned with issues of truthfulness then issues of threats of force. For example, a sure fire way to lose your license either by suspension or permanent disqualification is to steal from a trust or a commit a serious financial fraud. I remember our ethics professor warning us if we ever got arrested for anything to immediately write to the licensing board and tell them all the relevant details ASAP. That said, I have never been arrested (before or after getting my license,) so all my knowledge is hypothetical. Moreover, we were taught that every state has different rules and priorities. I doubt they face professional consequences until the legal process plays out unless they are accused of lying to the court. If that happens either in the pleadings or any proceedings then the licensing board would likely step in.

[shrink]

Copied directly from hoopshype.

Bobby Marks: The 12 game suspension for Malik Beasley will cost the guard $1.1M. The Timberwolves will receive a $550K credit toward the luxury tax. He is eligible to return on March 27 vs. Houston. 2 days ago – via

I posted a few hours after reading it and got the number slightly wrong. It was 550 not 500.

Strange. Marks should know what he's talking about, so I don't exactly doubt him.

There was another part of the FAQ that mentioned suspended players are docked either 1/110th or 1/145th of their salary, but neither one lines up with that amount. The part I mentioned earlier does seem to line up closer, but it's like it was cut in half twice instead of once so I'm not sure where the discrepancy lies or what I'm missing.

I have noted Marks getting stuff wrong before, so I’m trusting Klomp’s math here.

Good find winforlose. The extra room under the luxury tax is a big deal, and it hadn’t even dawned on me. A nice surprise.

[Klomp]

I have noted Marks getting stuff wrong before, so I’m trusting Klomp’s math here.

I did post a thread in the CBA subforum this morning with the info I've posted here to see if anyone else knows.

[Jedzz]

Meanwhile the injury Lawyer and his wife in St. Louis pled not guilty to felony charges for aiming assault rifle and automatic pistols at protestors. Beyond pleading not guilty, their trial was put on hold when their lawyer, or Donald Trump depending on what you know, got the prosecutor dismissed from the trial. A new semi retired 73 year old senior judge was appointed the role as special prosecutor in January who said this might be a nice way to spend his next year or so. It will be interesting to see if this couple skates free with fines and hefty legal fees, or loses their own license to practice law in the near future. The injury lawyer had said he and his wife are facing charges that could get them 4 years in jail and none of the protestors face any charges. But I think everyone pretty much assumes this couple isn't spending a day in jail. Could the Missouri Bar take his license for 12 months or would that be out of bounds?

That is a very tough question for any lawyer not living in Missouri. In Minnesota the licensing board is more concerned with issues of truthfulness then issues of threats of force. For example, a sure fire way to lose your license either by suspension or permanent disqualification is to steal from a trust or a commit a serious financial fraud. I remember our ethics professor warning us if we ever got arrested for anything to immediately write to the licensing board and tell them all the relevant details ASAP. That said, I have never been arrested (before or after getting my license,) so all my knowledge is hypothetical. Moreover, we were taught that every state has different rules and priorities. I doubt they face professional consequences until the legal process plays out unless they are accused of lying to the court. If that happens either in the pleadings or any proceedings then the licensing board would likely step in.

interesting local info for sure thank you. I get that everyone has a right to plead not guilty, but does that speak to truthfullness at all when they are on video and photos aiming the rifle and pistol at these people and yelling at them, wife with finger on the trigger. The grand jury also added a new charge of manipulating evidence (obviously I don't know the real terms) as it sounds like they managed to adjust the pistol so that it is no longer automatic or something. Not sure how they would have known it was in the first place unless she fired it. But again, would a Bar see this as two people operating within their rights to defend themselves in court by all means necessary to them under the rule of law, or see them as being untruthful in not pleading guilty and throwing themselves at the feet of the court since they are obviously right there aiming assault weapons at people from their front yard and driveway and that's obviously breaking a federal law. Beasley obviously plead guilty to an arranged plea deal. These two are choosing to fight it even though the law against what they did simply is what it is and they clearly did what they did. Whether I agree with this stupid law or not or think people should be able to protect their property doesn't matter. But if we can condemn a basketball player and suggest he should be taken out of his career for any period of time and suffer large financial losses for it, I am wondering why we shouldn't assume this couple loses their career for a period of time at least. I would hope a legal Bar sets a higher "bar" then a sports league would. Not that I have anything against these people. It's just an interesting similar example to me.