The Tim Connelly Thread (prev./still Fire Him)

[KGdaBom]

For me it's a very bad trade, we gave too much. Gobert neves was my first option, the one I preferred was Turner that it'd cost much less both in picks and players.

If this thing doesn't work we are really ****.

I get wanting Turner at a lower cost, but he's not in the same realm with GoBear as a player. Check out all the advanced stats on both.

[HDM]

A high quality hammer is nice to have.

But if I paid a thousand dollars for it, smart people would rightly laugh at me.

Ainge @ss rapes stupid GMs.

And this stunod running the Twolves is as dumb as they come.

[Slim Tubby]

People really think this was Connelly? The guy everyone in Denver told us hated making trades and focused solely on the draft?

This has ARod/Lore written all over it.

Damn straight it did.


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[bluethunder0005]

I made the comparison elsewhere but the difference in Turner/Capela to Gobert is like wanting Jerami Grant over Paul George because he'd cost less. Don't get me wrong, I like Turner and would have been happy to have him but he's no where near on Goberts level.

We just drafted Kessler at #21 overall which is going to be a better draft selection than a lot of the picks we traded and he's nothing special. People out here acting like we just gave up 5 top 5 draft picks is crazy to me. Milwaukee gave up 4 firsts for Jrue Holiday, that seemed to work out pretty well right? Not saying we win a championship or anything but we're a hell of a lot closer to that goal with Gobert than we would have been with Turner and a couple extra late firsts down the road.

[Slim Tubby]

It's really not.

4 FRP (really 5 because of this year's) with only one having any protection, plus a swap, plus a bunch of expiring contracts and/or cheap useful players.

Utah fans are super happy , you know this is horrible.

We are? I think the value was about right for a trade with no clear centerpiece. I would have rather traded Mitchell and kept Gobert. Not super convinced the fit with Towns is perfect, but the Wolves are the best team in the West as of today IMO

That says a lot coming from a respected poster on these boards such as yourself.


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[Slim Tubby]

Gobert is locked up for the next four (4) years, all while he's still in his prime, and is arguably one of the best defensive players in the NBA ever. If you want to shoot for the moon, it comes at a cost.

We may have shot for the moon but paid as if we were aiming for another planet.

I hear Jupiter is nice this time of year.


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[Battletrigger]

For me it's a very bad trade, we gave too much. Gobert neves was my first option, the one I preferred was Turner that it'd cost much less both in picks and players.

If this thing doesn't work we are really ****.

Turner? The guy from Indy who’s been swept out of the playoffs 3 times in his career and doesn’t come close to grabbing 10 boards a game…that guy?

Yes, that guy.

[KGdaBom]

For me it's a very bad trade, we gave too much. Gobert neves was my first option, the one I preferred was Turner that it'd cost much less both in picks and players.

If this thing doesn't work we are really ****.

Turner? The guy from Indy who’s been swept out of the playoffs 3 times in his career and doesn’t come close to grabbing 10 boards a game…that guy?

Yes, that guy.

Turner is a good player. There's no comparison to GoBear. We're not discussing the same thing here.

[Battletrigger]

For me it's a very bad trade, we gave too much. Gobert neves was my first option, the one I preferred was Turner that it'd cost much less both in picks and players.

If this thing doesn't work we are really ****.

I get wanting Turner at a lower cost, but he's not in the same realm with GoBear as a player. Check out all the advanced stats on both.

But I didn't say that Turner is better than Gobert.

[KGdaBom]

For me it's a very bad trade, we gave too much. Gobert neves was my first option, the one I preferred was Turner that it'd cost much less both in picks and players.

If this thing doesn't work we are really ****.

I get wanting Turner at a lower cost, but he's not in the same realm with GoBear as a player. Check out all the advanced stats on both.

But I didn't say that Turner is better than Gobert.

I know you didn't. You could also be right that making a move for Turner might have been the better way to go.
On the other hand GoBear makes us a legit title contender. Turner doesn't do that.

[Battletrigger]

I get wanting Turner at a lower cost, but he's not in the same realm with GoBear as a player. Check out all the advanced stats on both.

But I didn't say that Turner is better than Gobert.

I know you didn't. You could also be right that making a move for Turner might have been the better way to go.
On the other hand GoBear makes us a legit title contender. Turner doesn't do that.

Well, I want to see him in PO, it's true that Wolves have better defensive players, but Gobert has had a couple of bad PO series before.

[bluethunder0005]

Goberts bad playoffs are more of his teammates fault than his.

[Slim Tubby]

I get wanting Turner at a lower cost, but he's not in the same realm with GoBear as a player. Check out all the advanced stats on both.

But I didn't say that Turner is better than Gobert.

I know you didn't. You could also be right that making a move for Turner might have been the better way to go.
On the other hand GoBear makes us a legit title contender. Turner doesn't do that.

Of the big guys supposedly available, I’d rank it like this:

1. Gobert








2. Ayton
3. Turner
4. Capella


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[KGdaBom]

But I didn't say that Turner is better than Gobert.

I know you didn't. You could also be right that making a move for Turner might have been the better way to go.
On the other hand GoBear makes us a legit title contender. Turner doesn't do that.

Of the big guys supposedly available, I’d rank it like this:

1. Gobert








2. Ayton
3. Turner
4. Capella


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About right.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Probably missing a few spaces between Rudy and Ayton

[SO_MONEY]

What's it matter to criticize the move? There is no exit. It is the hope for success in the short-term and an eventual decline and sell off in whole or over time of assets in a deficit.

[winforlose]

What's it matter to criticize the move? There is no exit. It is the hope for success in the short-term and an eventual decline and sell off in whole or over time of assets in a deficit.

More about venting than anything. Everyone knows this is a home run swing. This thread exists to critique the grip, stance, and mechanics of the guy at bat. Plus the age old question, was the pitch a strike or did he chase and swing at garbage. I have been very vocal that I like getting Gobert but dislike the trade itself both for the draft capital and losing valuable role players instead of using JO’s contract as a tool to retain value. This thread is a place for observations like that and for discussing our opinion of the FO going forward.

[jpatrick]

But I didn't say that Turner is better than Gobert.

I know you didn't. You could also be right that making a move for Turner might have been the better way to go.
On the other hand GoBear makes us a legit title contender. Turner doesn't do that.

Of the big guys supposedly available, I’d rank it like this:

1. Gobert








2. Ayton
3. Turner
4. Capella


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During the regular season? Yes. During the playoffs? I don’t think of the lumbering offensive challenged centers are going to make much of a difference. We payed like we were getting a difference making in a championship run. The problem is Gobert has never performed like that.

[KGdaBom]

I know you didn't. You could also be right that making a move for Turner might have been the better way to go.
On the other hand GoBear makes us a legit title contender. Turner doesn't do that.

Of the big guys supposedly available, I’d rank it like this:

1. Gobert








2. Ayton
3. Turner
4. Capella


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During the regular season? Yes. During the playoffs? I don’t think of the lumbering offensive challenged centers are going to make much of a difference. We payed like we were getting a difference making in a championship run. The problem is Gobert has never performed like that.

I think GoBear will be the same player regular season and post season. I think that's a good thing.

[Baseline81]

Of the big guys supposedly available, I’d rank it like this:

1. Gobert








2. Ayton
3. Turner
4. Capella

I am very intrigued to see what Ayton's cost will be.