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Re: The Terrence Shannon Thread 

Post#61 » by BlacJacMac » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:41 pm

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Sealab2024 wrote:We might have gotten a major steal here. TSJ's stock plummeted due to false allegations, most analysts didn't even really wanna cover him as a prospect and only did so because of his obvious talent. Then dude takes the stand (which is a boss move btw) and shuts the nonsense down just days before the draft. By that time everyone had their slot and his name was suitably dragged through the mud.

There's no telling where he would have gone had the case not interrupted everything but my guess is he would have been an easy lottery pick. Especially in a draft like this one.

Dude needs to work on his playmaking a bit, get better with his right hand and his outside shot, but other than this is a well developed prospect with NBA talent, athleticism, and skill who can play both sides of the floor with gravity.

Hell of a pickup by TC.


How do you know the allegations are false? I am just curious as I haven't followed this case closely and don't really know if the allegations were false. An acquittal means that allegations weren't proven beyond a reasonable doubt.


From the ESPN story:

Former Illinois star Terrence Shannon Jr.'s legal team can show video evidence at his felony rape trial next week to support its claim that mistaken identity might have prompted police to charge the wrong man, a judge ruled Friday.

At a hearing in Lawrence, Kansas, Shannon's lawyers argued that the video evidence they will present during the trial will show another man standing next to the alleged victim the night of the alleged sexual assault at the same bar in Lawrence, which Judge Amy Hanley called "relevant" to the case during her ruling. That "third-party defendant," according to Shannon's legal team, had been accused of sexually touching another woman in a nonconsensual manner two weeks earlier at the bar where the woman in Shannon's case had told police in September that a man had sexually penetrated her with his fingers. She later identified Shannon via Google search.

"Additionally, the defendant, the third-party defendant, to be very carefully precise, the third-party defendant is alleged to have been present at the scene of this case and this alleged crime," Hanley said in her ruling Friday. "The court finds that that evidence is relevant and admissible and the defense will be allowed to present that evidence."


And here is an account from a poster on another forum who attempts to fill in the details:

"Quinn":

So I dug into this case a little bit being I'm a KU alum and that's where this happened.

I do think this was a case of mistaken identity. It sounds like Shannon was there for the Kansas-Illinois football game in September and had attended, likely with Kansas player Kevin McCullar. McCullar and Shannon are likely buddies from their time at Texas Tech together. They went to the bar (the notorious freshman bar) and at some point during the night they were there with other KU basketball players in a basement that is typically tougher to get into and can act somewhat like a VIP where athletes hangout. I've been there. It's packed, sweaty, dark, and loud. At some point later on in the night, the girl was beckoned over by a guy, the incident happened, and it took all of about 30 seconds and then it was over. She later had to identify the guy to police based only on the knowledge of the Kansas basketball players that were there plus the Illinois player (Shannon). She identified Shannon because of his dyed tips in his hair.

What the video evidence likely showed was another guy with dyed tips who played for Kansas basketball for all of 0 minutes before being accused of raping a girl in the dorms, grabbing her. That player (Arterio Morris) was cut from the team before the season. In digging into Morris' rape case, they had discovered that he had been accused of a similar incident 2 weeks prior to the incident naming Shannon as the defendant.

My guess is that it was likely the woman mistook Shannon for Morris in the dark and packed bar. Morris has a long history of legal battles, some of which are sexual violence accusations. That pattern of behavior would much more closely align with him, especially if he was at the bar that night when Shannon was and did the same thing 2 weeks prior.
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Re: The Terrence Shannon Thread 

Post#62 » by younggunsmn » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:43 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:And here is an account from a poster on another forum who attempts to fill in the details:

"Quinn":

So I dug into this case a little bit being I'm a KU alum and that's where this happened.

I do think this was a case of mistaken identity. It sounds like Shannon was there for the Kansas-Illinois football game in September and had attended, likely with Kansas player Kevin McCullar. McCullar and Shannon are likely buddies from their time at Texas Tech together. They went to the bar (the notorious freshman bar) and at some point during the night they were there with other KU basketball players in a basement that is typically tougher to get into and can act somewhat like a VIP where athletes hangout. I've been there. It's packed, sweaty, dark, and loud. At some point later on in the night, the girl was beckoned over by a guy, the incident happened, and it took all of about 30 seconds and then it was over. She later had to identify the guy to police based only on the knowledge of the Kansas basketball players that were there plus the Illinois player (Shannon). She identified Shannon because of his dyed tips in his hair.

What the video evidence likely showed was another guy with dyed tips who played for Kansas basketball for all of 0 minutes before being accused of raping a girl in the dorms, grabbing her. That player (Arterio Morris) was cut from the team before the season. In digging into Morris' rape case, they had discovered that he had been accused of a similar incident 2 weeks prior to the incident naming Shannon as the defendant.

My guess is that it was likely the woman mistook Shannon for Morris in the dark and packed bar. Morris has a long history of legal battles, some of which are sexual violence accusations. That pattern of behavior would much more closely align with him, especially if he was at the bar that night when Shannon was and did the same thing 2 weeks prior.


This is what I had read too, thanks for providing more details.

It looks like a case of mistaken identity and Shannon was singled out because of his hair in a dark and crowded bar.
This girl was likely actually violated and then dragged through the mud later after seeking justice.
Shannon also faced the possibility of having his life ruined.

It's just super tragic she wasn't able to get the right guy, and it looks like the 3rd party possibility didn't come out until Shannon's lawyers started going through the video evidence.
Hopefully they try to prosecute this 3rd guy for the crime which would further vindicate Shannon, but it will be an uphill battle with the girl picking out the wrong guy initially.
The cops hands were tied a lot on who to prosecute once the girl identified Shannon, but they did a poor job presenting her with the possibilities. Could also be a case of Kansas guys not wanting to rat out their teammate (or former teammate).
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Re: The Terrence Shannon Thread 

Post#63 » by minimus » Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:34 pm

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Post#64 » by Klomp » Mon Jul 1, 2024 7:12 pm

With the talk of wanting the second unit to get out and run, I wouldn't rule out Terrence Shannon Jr. being the guy to round out the rotation.

Like, I could see a second unit group of Dillingham, Alexander-Walker, Shannon and Reid playing with Towns at center. That has the makings of an electric unit!
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Re: The Terrence Shannon Thread 

Post#65 » by BlacJacMac » Mon Jul 1, 2024 7:14 pm

Klomp wrote:With the talk of wanting the second unit to get out and run, I wouldn't rule out Terrence Shannon Jr. being the guy to round out the rotation.

Like, I could see a second unit group of Dillingham, Alexander-Walker, Shannon and Reid playing with Towns at center. That has the makings of an electric unit!


I think he has a very strong chance of contributing as a rookie.

He's already got an NBA body with plus athleticism. All he has to do is play defense, attack the basket and stick open 3s.
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Post#66 » by winforlose » Mon Jul 1, 2024 7:14 pm

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Klomp wrote:With the talk of wanting the second unit to get out and run, I wouldn't rule out Terrence Shannon Jr. being the guy to round out the rotation.

Like, I could see a second unit group of Dillingham, Alexander-Walker, Shannon and Reid playing with Towns at center. That has the makings of an electric unit!


I think he has a very strong chance of contributing as a rookie.

He's already got an NBA body with plus athleticism. All he has to do is play defense, attack the basket and stick open 3s.


You had me at play defense ;)
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Post#67 » by Klomp » Mon Jul 1, 2024 7:18 pm

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Post#71 » by Klomp » Mon Jul 1, 2024 7:43 pm

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Post#72 » by frankenwolf » Mon Jul 1, 2024 7:45 pm

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In an amusing thought, will anybody be able to score in transition with TSJ and Ant running down blocks?! :lol: :lol:
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Post#73 » by winforlose » Mon Jul 1, 2024 7:59 pm

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In an amusing thought, will anybody be able to score in transition with TSJ and Ant running down blocks?! :lol: :lol:


I hear you, but I have concerns. Namely I worry for the structural integrity of the back boards. Ant is a big dude, and if he keeps elevating into those suckers someone or something is gonna break first. My money is on the backboard ;)
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Post#74 » by Klomp » Mon Jul 1, 2024 8:49 pm

Interesting size comparison...

6-5.75" with a 6'8.75" wingspan, 219.4 pounds.....Terrence Shannon
6-5.75" with a 6'8.25" wingspan, 180.9 pounds.....Zach LaVine
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Post#75 » by KGdaBom » Mon Jul 1, 2024 8:51 pm

Klomp wrote:With the talk of wanting the second unit to get out and run, I wouldn't rule out Terrence Shannon Jr. being the guy to round out the rotation.

Like, I could see a second unit group of Dillingham, Alexander-Walker, Shannon and Reid playing with Towns at center. That has the makings of an electric unit!

This was the year for Miller to make the leap, but now I see Shannon Leap Frogging him for minutes.
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Post#76 » by KGdaBom » Mon Jul 1, 2024 8:54 pm

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Post#77 » by KGdaBom » Mon Jul 1, 2024 8:55 pm

Klomp wrote:Interesting size comparison...

6-5.75" with a 6'8.75" wingspan, 219.4 pounds.....Terrence Shannon
6-5.75" with a 6'8.25" wingspan, 180.9 pounds.....Zach LaVine

30 pounds on Zach 20 less than Ant.
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Post#78 » by KGdaBom » Mon Jul 1, 2024 9:01 pm

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I enjoyed the commentator saying Terrence Shannon doing Shannon things. :rock:
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Post#79 » by minimus » Tue Jul 2, 2024 8:41 am

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In an amusing thought, will anybody be able to score in transition with TSJ and Ant running down blocks?! :lol: :lol:


Jokes asides it is underrated moment. MIN got killed in transition a season ago. Coaching staff out a lot of work and emphasis to be able to defend despite slow footed bigs such as Gobert and Towns. Towns and Edwards has gotten better at not complaining. But transition defense will always be an issue with two bigs lineup. I hope TSJ can help here a lot, he is one of the fastest wings in transition.
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Post#80 » by minimus » Tue Jul 2, 2024 10:25 am

1) I wonder how good TSJ can be defensively. I've heard he was a good defender in Texas. And MIN could use another physical defender (220 lbs) when NAWs shot is not falling. It would give Finch so many options in defense.

2) his role as ball screen scorer, yes, his dribbling is not at ghigest NBA level, but still Shannon was effective with ball in his hands. Getting to the rim and applying rim pressure might be very beneficial for team offense when Gobert is not on the floor.

He was exceptional in a number of different usage categories: Ball screen scorer (95th percentile), isolation (88th percentile), transition (87th percentile) and spot up (80th percentile). As expected, Shannon was an overwhelming downhill threat and nearly unstoppable in the open court. He put up 1.32 points per possession in transition, which was second only to Kentucky's Antonio Reeves (1.36 ppp) at a minimum of 120 possessions of usage

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